incentives

[sys]

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2015/09/why_drivers_in_china_intentionally_kill_the_pedestrians_they_hit_china_s.html?wpisrc=obnetwork

[star seed 7]

Interesting

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

That's horrifying. But I don't think it's accurate to put the blame entirely on perverse incentives re monetary damages. To an extent, those same incentives exist here.

What else could be in play? Perhaps cultures that don't particularly respect life or children, and cultures that are not particularly religious? In less civilized parts of the world, particularly with high population densities, child labor, child prostitution, and even child killing is widely accepted. Another reason why relatively unrestricted abortion rights are a stain on our society.

[puniraptor]

does sharia allow 'bort's?

[Rage Against the McKee]

That's horrifying. But I don't think it's accurate to put the blame entirely on perverse incentives re monetary damages. To an extent, those same incentives exist here.

What else could be in play? Perhaps cultures that don't particularly respect life or children, and cultures that are not particularly religious? In less civilized parts of the world, particularly with high population densities, child labor, child prostitution, and even child killing is widely accepted. Another reason why relatively unrestricted abortion rights are a stain on our society.

To what extent? The penalty for hitting somebody with your car here is far less severe if the person lives.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

That's horrifying. But I don't think it's accurate to put the blame entirely on perverse incentives re monetary damages. To an extent, those same incentives exist here.

What else could be in play? Perhaps cultures that don't particularly respect life or children, and cultures that are not particularly religious? In less civilized parts of the world, particularly with high population densities, child labor, child prostitution, and even child killing is widely accepted. Another reason why relatively unrestricted abortion rights are a stain on our society.

To what extent? The penalty for hitting somebody with your car here is far less severe if the person lives.

From a criminal standpoint, yes, but that not necessarily true if you can make it seem like an accident. Monetary damages for wrongful death can actually be quite a bit less than - say - the damages for a lifetime on ongoing pain, suffering, and medical care.

[SdK]

So this isn't about the law KSU? This is an opportunity to preach more about abortion, snowballs, how religion is paramount to a society's survival, and to claim China is less civilized?

Give me a break. You're a nut job.

[puniraptor]

so being on the road in china is like Castle Law^tm 2nd amendment america?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Huh, who would have ever thought that a country with forced and widespread abortion might also have an epidemic of murdering children hit by cars? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/22/opinion/chinas-brutal-one-child-policy.html?_r=0

Village family-planning officers vigilantly chart the menstrual cycle and pelvic-exam results of every woman of childbearing age in their area. If a woman gets pregnant without permission and is unable to pay the often exorbitant fine for violating the policy, she risks being subjected to a forced abortion.

According to Chinese Health Ministry data released in March, 336 million abortions and 222 million sterilizations have been carried out since 1971. (Though the one-child policy was introduced in 1979, other, less-stringent family planning policies were in place before it.)

These figures are easy to quote, but they fail to convey the magnitude of the horror faced by rural Chinese women. During a long journey through the hinterlands of southwest China in 2009, I was able to find some of the faces behind these numbers.
 
On ramshackle barges moored on the remote waterways of Hubei and Guangxi, I met hundreds of “family-planning fugitives” — couples who’d fled their villages to give birth to an unauthorized second or third child in neighboring provinces.

Almost every one of the pregnant women I spoke to had suffered a mandatory abortion. One woman told me how, when she was eight months pregnant with an illegal second child and was unable to pay the 20,000 yuan fine (about $3,200), family planning officers dragged her to the local clinic, bound her to a surgical table and injected a lethal drug into her abdomen.

For two days she writhed on the table, her hands and feet still bound with rope, waiting for her body to eject the murdered baby. In the final stage of labor, a male doctor yanked the dead fetus out by the foot, then dropped it into a garbage can. She had no money for a cab. She had to hobble home, blood dripping down her legs and staining her white sandals red.

The Communist Party argues that the means justify the ends.

It goes to my point - a society that does not protect and value human life is not much of a society at all. And yes, this lack of humanity is fostered by driving religion out of the public discourse.

[SdK]

Do you know how they got to that point? Overpopulation.

[SdK]

So yes. More babies is the answer.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

so being on the road in china is like Castle Law^tm 2nd amendment america?

I'm not sure that strong self-defense rights necessarily lead to a culture of murder hit and runs. Care to elaborate?

[SdK]

Whack a mole. Zing. Zap.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Do you know how they got to that point? Overpopulation.

And your point is?

[Rage Against the McKee]

That's horrifying. But I don't think it's accurate to put the blame entirely on perverse incentives re monetary damages. To an extent, those same incentives exist here.

What else could be in play? Perhaps cultures that don't particularly respect life or children, and cultures that are not particularly religious? In less civilized parts of the world, particularly with high population densities, child labor, child prostitution, and even child killing is widely accepted. Another reason why relatively unrestricted abortion rights are a stain on our society.

To what extent? The penalty for hitting somebody with your car here is far less severe if the person lives.

From a criminal standpoint, yes, but that not necessarily true if you can make it seem like an accident. Monetary damages for wrongful death can actually be quite a bit less than - say - the damages for a lifetime on ongoing pain, suffering, and medical care.

If it's an accident, don't you go to jail for manslaughter?

I do see how this is similar to self defense laws, where you are far better off killing than not.

[SdK]

Do you know how they got to that point? Overpopulation.

And your point is?

Wow.

[sys]

To an extent, those same incentives exist here.

no they don't.  you don't get off with a couple of years in jail here if there's video of you backing over a person you just hit, but have to work the rest of your life to support the person if you leave them crippled.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

That's horrifying. But I don't think it's accurate to put the blame entirely on perverse incentives re monetary damages. To an extent, those same incentives exist here.

What else could be in play? Perhaps cultures that don't particularly respect life or children, and cultures that are not particularly religious? In less civilized parts of the world, particularly with high population densities, child labor, child prostitution, and even child killing is widely accepted. Another reason why relatively unrestricted abortion rights are a stain on our society.

To what extent? The penalty for hitting somebody with your car here is far less severe if the person lives.

From a criminal standpoint, yes, but that not necessarily true if you can make it seem like an accident. Monetary damages for wrongful death can actually be quite a bit less than - say - the damages for a lifetime on ongoing pain, suffering, and medical care.

If it's an accident, don't you go to jail for manslaughter?

I do see how this is similar to self defense laws, where you are far better off killing than not.

Only if it rises to the level of negligent homicide and even then maybe not.

[star seed 7]

does sharia allow 'bort's?

I posted a map in the' bort thread, pretty much every modernized country has legal abortion and pretty much every third world country does not (including all the countries ksuw would call "barbaric")

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

That's horrifying. But I don't think it's accurate to put the blame entirely on perverse incentives re monetary damages. To an extent, those same incentives exist here.

What else could be in play? Perhaps cultures that don't particularly respect life or children, and cultures that are not particularly religious? In less civilized parts of the world, particularly with high population densities, child labor, child prostitution, and even child killing is widely accepted. Another reason why relatively unrestricted abortion rights are a stain on our society.

To what extent? The penalty for hitting somebody with your car here is far less severe if the person lives.

From a criminal standpoint, yes, but that not necessarily true if you can make it seem like an accident. Monetary damages for wrongful death can actually be quite a bit less than - say - the damages for a lifetime on ongoing pain, suffering, and medical care.

If it's an accident, don't you go to jail for manslaughter?

I do see how this is similar to self defense laws, where you are far better off killing than not.

Also, I agree with you that there is a perverse incentive to kill an intruder rather than injure him, but for a different reason - no witnesses. A friend of mine was actually suggested this by a cop (and I'm not making this up) - "if you shoot an intruder, you'd better finish him off."

The Castle Doctrine is theoretically supposed to mitigate against this perverse incentive by absolving the homeowner of any potential liability. If you are immune and the intruder can't argue that he wasn't really a threat and you could have retreated, the theory is that you'll be less likely to kill him. Of course, it could also incentivize people to just mow the bad person down.

[michigancat]

A friend of mine was actually suggested this by a cop (and I'm not making this up) - "if you shoot an intruder, you'd better finish him off."

I am not the least bit surprised that a cop suggested this.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

does sharia allow 'bort's?

I posted a map in the' bort thread, pretty much every modernized country has legal abortion and pretty much every third world country does not (including all the countries ksuw would call "barbaric")

https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/IB_AWW-Asia.pdf

[Rage Against the McKee]

A friend of mine was actually suggested this by a cop (and I'm not making this up) - "if you shoot an intruder, you'd better finish him off."

I am not the least bit surprised that a cop suggested this.

The cop is correct, though. If Trayvon had survived the gun shot, George Zimmerman would be in jail right now.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

A friend of mine was actually suggested this by a cop (and I'm not making this up) - "if you shoot an intruder, you'd better finish him off."

I am not the least bit surprised that a cop suggested this.

I actually kinda was. This wasn't like an off-duty conversation in a bar - the guy was in uniform responding to a burglary.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

A friend of mine was actually suggested this by a cop (and I'm not making this up) - "if you shoot an intruder, you'd better finish him off."

I am not the least bit surprised that a cop suggested this.

The cop is correct, though. If Trayvon had survived the gun shot, George Zimmerman would be in jail right now.

I really don't agree with this, at all. Trayvon's own testimony would not have countered the multiple eyewitnesses of him straddling GZ pounding his face in.