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Re: Rising on trains
« Reply #75 on: September 16, 2015, 03:39:10 PM »

The self-driving cars could just not park at all and continue circling the block. Imagine a whole hotel full of people with their self driving cars just driving around unoccupied. What a world the future will be.

Maybe the cars could act as Uber cars while not in use by their owner.

Why not always have them act as Uber cars? Why have car owners?

exactly.

the future of cars is a network of self driving transporters with  no private owners.

Well you might still want to have your own car so you don't have to pay for a ride every time and you know for sure it is going to be there when you want it and so you don't have to pay a super expensive fair when traveling long distance.
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well i might want a socialist utopia

Are you suggesting that we pay for the Uber cars through taxes?

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Re: Rising on trains
« Reply #76 on: September 16, 2015, 03:40:55 PM »

The self-driving cars could just not park at all and continue circling the block. Imagine a whole hotel full of people with their self driving cars just driving around unoccupied. What a world the future will be.

Maybe the cars could act as Uber cars while not in use by their owner.

Why not always have them act as Uber cars? Why have car owners?

exactly.

the future of cars is a network of self driving transporters with  no private owners.

Well you might still want to have your own car so you don't have to pay for a ride every time and you know for sure it is going to be there when you want it and so you don't have to pay a super expensive fair when traveling long distance.
 :dunno:

well i might want a socialist utopia

Are you suggesting that we pay for the Uber cars through taxes?

if you mean, "they will be free for everybody!" then yes?

if you mean walmart will buy uber and then google will buy walmart and then merge with apple and BP and be elected president, then yes.

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Re: Rising on trains
« Reply #77 on: September 16, 2015, 03:52:32 PM »
somebody just needs to invent teleporting already.

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Re: Rising on trains
« Reply #78 on: September 16, 2015, 03:54:23 PM »
This thread is making me want to ride a train somewhere.

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Re: Rising on trains
« Reply #79 on: September 16, 2015, 04:15:20 PM »
Americans like to own crap

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« Reply #80 on: September 16, 2015, 04:21:43 PM »
Cars are already a lot more convenient than trains, and trains haven't gone out of business yet.

In some ways they are. Trains still have a few advantages (parking in urban areas, not having to drive, etc.). My point is that self-driving cars seem to kill off those last remaining advantages.

It's weird that California is investing so much in high speed rail. It would be much more forward thinking to invest in this California company's forward thinking, instead. http://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/
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« Reply #81 on: September 16, 2015, 04:32:21 PM »
High speed rail could have a future if it can get to a point that it's more convenient than airlines.

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« Reply #82 on: September 16, 2015, 04:35:11 PM »
High speed rail would still be faster than driving a car riding in a self driving car long distance, wouldn't it?

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« Reply #83 on: September 16, 2015, 04:57:12 PM »
A self-driving car wouldn't have done KK any good.

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Re: Rising on trains
« Reply #84 on: September 16, 2015, 06:18:29 PM »
Cars are already a lot more convenient than trains, and trains haven't gone out of business yet.

In some ways they are. Trains still have a few advantages (parking in urban areas, not having to drive, etc.). My point is that self-driving cars seem to kill off those last remaining advantages.

It's weird that California is investing so much in high speed rail. It would be much more forward thinking to invest in this California company's forward thinking, instead. http://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/

avoidance of traffic is the biggest advantage trains currently (sometimes) have (and the first one dLew mentioned). As oil prices rise, it COULD get relatively cheaper than driving and flying. self-driving cars probably won't alleviate traffic much and will probably be more like uber as someone alluded to.  hoping the hyperloop works out though.

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« Reply #85 on: September 16, 2015, 10:50:46 PM »
Cars are already a lot more convenient than trains, and trains haven't gone out of business yet.

In some ways they are. Trains still have a few advantages (parking in urban areas, not having to drive, etc.). My point is that self-driving cars seem to kill off those last remaining advantages.

It's weird that California is investing so much in high speed rail. It would be much more forward thinking to invest in this California company's forward thinking, instead. http://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/

avoidance of traffic is the biggest advantage trains currently (sometimes) have (and the first one dLew mentioned). As oil prices rise, it COULD get relatively cheaper than driving and flying. self-driving cars probably won't alleviate traffic much and will probably be more like uber as someone alluded to.  hoping the hyperloop works out though.

I disagree strongly on the traffic point. That's the biggest potential advantage of self-driving cars. They will theoretically be able to network together to make traffic much more efficient and optimize routes in real time. It will basically be like everyone is riding in one collective conveyance, like a train, except that train can go a million different places at the same time. I think we're headed for something like what was envisioned in Minority Report.

Regarding speed over long distances. I think that, too, will ultimately be negligible once you factor in the travel at your destination. Besides, California isn't building a cross-country train. The main "high speed" line will be a few hundred miles.

The obvious huge downside of all of this is that for it to work, you can't have human drivers on the same roads rough ridin' everything up. Maybe there will be a proliferation of special driving tracks for the enthusiasts.
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« Reply #86 on: September 17, 2015, 08:12:58 AM »
Cars are already a lot more convenient than trains, and trains haven't gone out of business yet.

In some ways they are. Trains still have a few advantages (parking in urban areas, not having to drive, etc.). My point is that self-driving cars seem to kill off those last remaining advantages.

It's weird that California is investing so much in high speed rail. It would be much more forward thinking to invest in this California company's forward thinking, instead. http://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/

avoidance of traffic is the biggest advantage trains currently (sometimes) have (and the first one dLew mentioned). As oil prices rise, it COULD get relatively cheaper than driving and flying. self-driving cars probably won't alleviate traffic much and will probably be more like uber as someone alluded to.  hoping the hyperloop works out though.

I disagree strongly on the traffic point. That's the biggest potential advantage of self-driving cars. They will theoretically be able to network together to make traffic much more efficient and optimize routes in real time. It will basically be like everyone is riding in one collective conveyance, like a train, except that train can go a million different places at the same time. I think we're headed for something like what was envisioned in Minority Report.

Regarding speed over long distances. I think that, too, will ultimately be negligible once you factor in the travel at your destination. Besides, California isn't building a cross-country train. The main "high speed" line will be a few hundred miles.

The obvious huge downside of all of this is that for it to work, you can't have human drivers on the same roads rough ridin' everything up. Maybe there will be a proliferation of special driving tracks for the enthusiasts.

It's going to take a long time to change the infrastructure to weed out human drivers and allow the networking thing.

Can self-driving cars drive on regular roads or do they need special guidance stuff in the roads?

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Re: Rising on trains
« Reply #87 on: September 17, 2015, 08:27:18 AM »
Cars are already a lot more convenient than trains, and trains haven't gone out of business yet.

In some ways they are. Trains still have a few advantages (parking in urban areas, not having to drive, etc.). My point is that self-driving cars seem to kill off those last remaining advantages.

It's weird that California is investing so much in high speed rail. It would be much more forward thinking to invest in this California company's forward thinking, instead. http://www.google.com/selfdrivingcar/

avoidance of traffic is the biggest advantage trains currently (sometimes) have (and the first one dLew mentioned). As oil prices rise, it COULD get relatively cheaper than driving and flying. self-driving cars probably won't alleviate traffic much and will probably be more like uber as someone alluded to.  hoping the hyperloop works out though.

I disagree strongly on the traffic point. That's the biggest potential advantage of self-driving cars. They will theoretically be able to network together to make traffic much more efficient and optimize routes in real time. It will basically be like everyone is riding in one collective conveyance, like a train, except that train can go a million different places at the same time. I think we're headed for something like what was envisioned in Minority Report.

Regarding speed over long distances. I think that, too, will ultimately be negligible once you factor in the travel at your destination. Besides, California isn't building a cross-country train. The main "high speed" line will be a few hundred miles.

The obvious huge downside of all of this is that for it to work, you can't have human drivers on the same roads rough ridin' everything up. Maybe there will be a proliferation of special driving tracks for the enthusiasts.

It's going to take a long time to change the infrastructure to weed out human drivers and allow the networking thing.

Can self-driving cars drive on regular roads or do they need special guidance stuff in the roads?

The ones being tested now drive on regular roads and use GPS/Camera's/Sensors to get around.

Which brings me to something I have never thought of. If the self driving car is the first to arrive at a stoplight how does it know to stop? Does it have a camera that specifically looks for stoplights?

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Re: Rising on trains
« Reply #88 on: September 17, 2015, 08:30:18 AM »
Probably. I've read that the biggest complaint about people who live around where the cars are tested is that they a TOO cautious, causing some traffic issues with human drivers.
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« Reply #89 on: September 17, 2015, 08:31:41 AM »
Yes, it must detect the stoplight. Most likely, to begin with at least, the self-driving mode is only going to be allowed on highways.

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« Reply #90 on: September 17, 2015, 08:33:07 AM »
I read a projection that by 2030, only 10% of cars on the road will be self driving.


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« Reply #91 on: September 17, 2015, 08:34:05 AM »
How much are these self-driving cars going to cost?

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Re: Rising on trains
« Reply #92 on: September 17, 2015, 08:35:03 AM »
IMO the first commercial use of self driving cars will be in long haul trucking. Think a convoy of 10 trucks all equipped with self driving technology driving from LA to CHI.

There will probably be 1 person in the lead truck to manage the convoy and correct any issues that may pop up. 

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Re: Rising on trains
« Reply #93 on: September 17, 2015, 08:42:54 AM »
california will never complete the LA-SF high speed train route


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« Reply #94 on: September 17, 2015, 08:43:59 AM »
IMO the first commercial use of self driving cars will be in long haul trucking. Think a convoy of 10 trucks all equipped with self driving technology driving from LA to CHI.

There will probably be 1 person in the lead truck to manage the convoy and correct any issues that may pop up.

most likely two people, DOT hours of service issues will necessitate that.

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« Reply #95 on: September 17, 2015, 09:12:32 AM »
Probably. I've read that the biggest complaint about people who live around where the cars are tested is that they a TOO cautious, causing some traffic issues with human drivers.

Baby steps. Give it a few decades... Drones were science fiction 20 years ago.
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« Reply #96 on: September 17, 2015, 09:15:41 AM »
california will never complete the LA-SF high speed train route

Doubtful. But we'll spend a LOT of money on it. That was one of the few redeeming qualities of True Detective 2: centering it around a big steaming pot or real life graft and corruption.
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« Reply #97 on: September 17, 2015, 09:59:32 AM »
I have to use a free Hyatt night by December and don't have any scenarios currently with which to use it so I'm thinking of taking the train to Vancouver and staying there for a Saturday afternoon and Sunday day.

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« Reply #98 on: September 17, 2015, 10:25:45 AM »
I have to use a free Hyatt night by December and don't have any scenarios currently with which to use it so I'm thinking of taking the train to Vancouver and staying there for a Saturday afternoon and Sunday day.

That sounds great.

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« Reply #99 on: September 17, 2015, 10:52:44 AM »
the transition between self driving cars and people driven cars will be a complete rough ridin' mess
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