Breaking up the United States

[Pete]

Honestly, it would be better for everyone, to just overthrow the government and install an authoritarian fascist conservative government.  Or a super leftist progressive socialist regime.  Either of those would make everyone’s lives WAY less horrible than breaking the country apart.

[michigancat]

I mean clearly both countries would keep the dollar and have robust trade and open border agreements. I don't think life would honestly be that different for most people economically unless they work in the federal government.

The social laws in the confederacy would be bad, but they are also pretty awful now already!

[Pete]

I mean clearly both countries would keep the dollar and have robust trade and open border agreements. I don't think life would honestly be that different for most people economically unless they work in the federal government.

The social laws in the confederacy would be bad, but they are also pretty awful now already!

How could they both keep the dollar?  They couldn’t issue new money without impacting the other. I see no way they could keep the same currency.  I give them zero chance of being amicable on monetary policy, spending and taxation.

[michigancat]

I mean clearly both countries would keep the dollar and have robust trade and open border agreements. I don't think life would honestly be that different for most people economically unless they work in the federal government.

The social laws in the confederacy would be bad, but they are also pretty awful now already!

How could they both keep the dollar?  They couldn’t issue new money without impacting the other. I see no way they could keep the same currency.  I give them zero chance of being amicable on monetary policy, spending and taxation.

We could figure out something like the EU.

[Pete]

Our astounding debt is backed by our federal government having the power to run the world (e.g the petrodollar)

[Pete]

I mean clearly both countries would keep the dollar and have robust trade and open border agreements. I don't think life would honestly be that different for most people economically unless they work in the federal government.

The social laws in the confederacy would be bad, but they are also pretty awful now already!

How could they both keep the dollar?  They couldn’t issue new money without impacting the other. I see no way they could keep the same currency.  I give them zero chance of being amicable on monetary policy, spending and taxation.

We could figure out something like the EU.

Two sides that hate each other would figure something out before they were forced to due to a catastrophe?  When in human history has this happened?

[Pete]

The catastrophe is required for collaboration

[Pete]

I wish it would work, I just don’t see anyway that it can without causing a massive amount of suffering.

[michigancat]

I mean clearly both countries would keep the dollar and have robust trade and open border agreements. I don't think life would honestly be that different for most people economically unless they work in the federal government.

The social laws in the confederacy would be bad, but they are also pretty awful now already!

How could they both keep the dollar?  They couldn’t issue new money without impacting the other. I see no way they could keep the same currency.  I give them zero chance of being amicable on monetary policy, spending and taxation.

We could figure out something like the EU.

Two sides that hate each other would figure something out before they were forced to due to a catastrophe?  When in human history has this happened?

I think hate is a strong word. and I think Brexit is a pretty decent comparison although there are many different details. It's sloppy but not going to lead to war or crazy suffering

[CNS]

The catastrophe is required for collaboration

Doesn’t work. We just had a pandemic and it didn’t work.

[Pete]

The catastrophe is required for collaboration

Doesn’t work. We just had a pandemic and it didn’t work.

Yep. Further evidence.

[Pete]

I mean, Google “what would happen if the USD collapsed.”

[Pete]

Then, look at the mechanisms that we have in place to prevent a collapse and ask yourself if you believe that those mechanisms could remain effective if two nations could independently do what they wanted relative to those mechanisms.

We gotta keep this bitch together.

[Dugout DickStone]

this is all performative maga bs.  The US will not break up barring a total breakdown in society

[Trim]

It’s good to work through these practical considerations so that they can be overcome and everyone can live in their respective utopia.

[Justwin]

Our astounding debt is backed by our federal government having the power to run the world (e.g the petrodollar)

No, it is not. See Japan's 250%+ Debt-to-GDP ratio.

[MakeItRain]

I mean clearly both countries would keep the dollar and have robust trade and open border agreements. I don't think life would honestly be that different for most people economically unless they work in the federal government.

The social laws in the confederacy would be bad, but they are also pretty awful now already!

How could they both keep the dollar?  They couldn’t issue new money without impacting the other. I see no way they could keep the same currency.  I give them zero chance of being amicable on monetary policy, spending and taxation.

There are 11 other countries on 4 continents that use the USD. If we could make it work with Somalia, I'm sure we can work something out with the slave states.

[Spracne]

I mean clearly both countries would keep the dollar and have robust trade and open border agreements. I don't think life would honestly be that different for most people economically unless they work in the federal government.

The social laws in the confederacy would be bad, but they are also pretty awful now already!

How could they both keep the dollar?  They couldn’t issue new money without impacting the other. I see no way they could keep the same currency.  I give them zero chance of being amicable on monetary policy, spending and taxation.

There are 11 other countries on 4 continents that use the USD. If we could make it work with Somalia, I'm sure we can work something out with the slave states.

But the question is who controls monetary policy? Who mints currency? Belize, Somalia, etc. are totally reliant on our stewardship of the dollar. You think the New Confederacy would be cool with that?

[MakeItRain]

I mean clearly both countries would keep the dollar and have robust trade and open border agreements. I don't think life would honestly be that different for most people economically unless they work in the federal government.

The social laws in the confederacy would be bad, but they are also pretty awful now already!

How could they both keep the dollar?  They couldn’t issue new money without impacting the other. I see no way they could keep the same currency.  I give them zero chance of being amicable on monetary policy, spending and taxation.

There are 11 other countries on 4 continents that use the USD. If we could make it work with Somalia, I'm sure we can work something out with the slave states.

But the question is who controls monetary policy? Who mints currency? Belize, Somalia, etc. are totally reliant on our stewardship of the dollar. You think the New Confederacy would be cool with that?

They're are currently no mint locations in slave states.

[Spracne]

I mean clearly both countries would keep the dollar and have robust trade and open border agreements. I don't think life would honestly be that different for most people economically unless they work in the federal government.

The social laws in the confederacy would be bad, but they are also pretty awful now already!

How could they both keep the dollar?  They couldn’t issue new money without impacting the other. I see no way they could keep the same currency.  I give them zero chance of being amicable on monetary policy, spending and taxation.

There are 11 other countries on 4 continents that use the USD. If we could make it work with Somalia, I'm sure we can work something out with the slave states.

But the question is who controls monetary policy? Who mints currency? Belize, Somalia, etc. are totally reliant on our stewardship of the dollar. You think the New Confederacy would be cool with that?

They're are currently no mint locations in slave states.

What of Fort Knox? It's part of the mint system.

[Pete]

I mean clearly both countries would keep the dollar and have robust trade and open border agreements. I don't think life would honestly be that different for most people economically unless they work in the federal government.

The social laws in the confederacy would be bad, but they are also pretty awful now already!

How could they both keep the dollar?  They couldn’t issue new money without impacting the other. I see no way they could keep the same currency.  I give them zero chance of being amicable on monetary policy, spending and taxation.

There are 11 other countries on 4 continents that use the USD. If we could make it work with Somalia, I'm sure we can work something out with the slave states.

Using our currency and setting monetary policy of our currency are way different things.

[Pete]

I mean clearly both countries would keep the dollar and have robust trade and open border agreements. I don't think life would honestly be that different for most people economically unless they work in the federal government.

The social laws in the confederacy would be bad, but they are also pretty awful now already!

How could they both keep the dollar?  They couldn’t issue new money without impacting the other. I see no way they could keep the same currency.  I give them zero chance of being amicable on monetary policy, spending and taxation.

There are 11 other countries on 4 continents that use the USD. If we could make it work with Somalia, I'm sure we can work something out with the slave states.

But the question is who controls monetary policy? Who mints currency? Belize, Somalia, etc. are totally reliant on our stewardship of the dollar. You think the New Confederacy would be cool with that?

Agree

[Pete]

It’s good to work through these practical considerations so that they can be overcome and everyone can live in their respective utopia.

Yes, agreed.  I came out of the gates strong on this thread, but the devil is in the details.  Like Jesus said tho, you gotta rise and grind.

[Justwin]

I mean clearly both countries would keep the dollar and have robust trade and open border agreements. I don't think life would honestly be that different for most people economically unless they work in the federal government.

The social laws in the confederacy would be bad, but they are also pretty awful now already!

How could they both keep the dollar?  They couldn’t issue new money without impacting the other. I see no way they could keep the same currency.  I give them zero chance of being amicable on monetary policy, spending and taxation.

There are 11 other countries on 4 continents that use the USD. If we could make it work with Somalia, I'm sure we can work something out with the slave states.

But the question is who controls monetary policy? Who mints currency? Belize, Somalia, etc. are totally reliant on our stewardship of the dollar. You think the New Confederacy would be cool with that?

They're are currently no mint locations in slave states.

There is a Bureau of Engraving and Printing location in Ft. Worth, TX.

[MakeItRain]

I mean clearly both countries would keep the dollar and have robust trade and open border agreements. I don't think life would honestly be that different for most people economically unless they work in the federal government.

The social laws in the confederacy would be bad, but they are also pretty awful now already!

How could they both keep the dollar?  They couldn’t issue new money without impacting the other. I see no way they could keep the same currency.  I give them zero chance of being amicable on monetary policy, spending and taxation.

There are 11 other countries on 4 continents that use the USD. If we could make it work with Somalia, I'm sure we can work something out with the slave states.

But the question is who controls monetary policy? Who mints currency? Belize, Somalia, etc. are totally reliant on our stewardship of the dollar. You think the New Confederacy would be cool with that?

They're are currently no mint locations in slave states.

There is a Bureau of Engraving and Printing location in Ft. Worth, TX.

Booooooo