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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2015, 10:36:36 PM »
Federalism isn't for everyone.  Some areas of the U.S. appreciate it, some do not.

The SEC, in particular, has a very different value system from the Northeast and Northwest, and these divisions are making both pretty unhappy.

I am wondering if the populations would be better off if we just let them do their own things? 

I would expect the Northeast and Northwest to operate generally like the current Federal United States.

The SEC would ravage itself and likely settle on a parliamentary system or just break into a bunch of truly confederated states.

Frankly, that is probably what should have happened instead of the civil war.

Pete have you ever thought of writing an amazon kindle book about this?
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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2015, 10:36:52 PM »

Southwest Texas, New Mexico, and Southern Arizona might just go it on their own.

Would be funny to see them try and then the other two countries yoink their water.

Holy crap, that is a biggie to put in the "negative" column.  Good point.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #27 on: July 16, 2015, 10:40:02 PM »

Federalism isn't for everyone.  Some areas of the U.S. appreciate it, some do not.

The SEC, in particular, has a very different value system from the Northeast and Northwest, and these divisions are making both pretty unhappy.

I am wondering if the populations would be better off if we just let them do their own things? 

I would expect the Northeast and Northwest to operate generally like the current Federal United States.

The SEC would ravage itself and likely settle on a parliamentary system or just break into a bunch of truly confederated states.

Frankly, that is probably what should have happened instead of the civil war.

Pete have you ever thought of writing an amazon kindle book about this?


I got the idea from a different book I read, that merely focused on the different "cultural nations" of North America.  MichCat read it too (it gets super dumb and preachy at the end, but the early factual historical stuff was fun).

It would take a bunch of plagiarism for me to do it.  I don't know that I have the balls to take on the actual primary source research and all that hard stuff.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2015, 10:41:38 PM »
What is this BS anti-American thesis that argues that nations should not have a plurality of different and often conflicting cultures?

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2015, 10:42:16 PM »
I call those opportunities to learn. Pass it on.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #30 on: July 16, 2015, 10:42:44 PM »
after thinking about this more, I think we should eliminate all borders and merge w/ Canada and Mexico. I mean why not?

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #31 on: July 16, 2015, 10:43:45 PM »

What is this BS anti-American thesis that argues that nations should not have a plurality of different and often conflicting cultures?

I guess I am just coming around to the idea that "anti-Anerican," as YOU are seemingly defining it, is not a bad thing.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #32 on: July 16, 2015, 10:44:24 PM »

Federalism isn't for everyone.  Some areas of the U.S. appreciate it, some do not.

The SEC, in particular, has a very different value system from the Northeast and Northwest, and these divisions are making both pretty unhappy.

I am wondering if the populations would be better off if we just let them do their own things?  Like, you got Rand McNally?  You should be good.

I would expect the Northeast and Northwest to operate generally like the current Federal United States.

The SEC would ravage itself and likely settle on a parliamentary system or just break into a bunch of truly confederated states.

Frankly, that is probably what should have happened instead of the civil war.

Pete have you ever thought of writing an amazon kindle book about this?


I got the idea from a different book I read, that merely focused on the different "cultural nations" of North America.  MichCat read it too (it gets super dumb and preachy at the end, but the early factual historical stuff was fun).

It would take a bunch of plagiarism for me to do it.  I don't know that I have the balls to take on the actual primary source research and all that hard stuff.

Pete I think you would do better with a free-wheeling action book.
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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #33 on: July 16, 2015, 10:45:10 PM »
You want to live with a bunch of people who are exactly the same as you? Doesn't seem very diverse.  Almost seems bigoted.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #34 on: July 16, 2015, 10:46:36 PM »


Federalism isn't for everyone.  Some areas of the U.S. appreciate it, some do not.

The SEC, in particular, has a very different value system from the Northeast and Northwest, and these divisions are making both pretty unhappy.

I am wondering if the populations would be better off if we just let them do their own things?  Like, you got Rand McNally?  You should be good.

I would expect the Northeast and Northwest to operate generally like the current Federal United States.

The SEC would ravage itself and likely settle on a parliamentary system or just break into a bunch of truly confederated states.

Frankly, that is probably what should have happened instead of the civil war.

Pete have you ever thought of writing an amazon kindle book about this?


I got the idea from a different book I read, that merely focused on the different "cultural nations" of North America.  MichCat read it too (it gets super dumb and preachy at the end, but the early factual historical stuff was fun).

It would take a bunch of plagiarism for me to do it.  I don't know that I have the balls to take on the actual primary source research and all that hard stuff.

Pete I think you would do better with a free-wheeling action book.

Following the protagonist who is just stuck in the middle, or geopolitical type stuff?  Would have to be the former I think.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #35 on: July 16, 2015, 10:48:00 PM »

You want to live with a bunch of people who are exactly the same as you? Doesn't seem very diverse.  Almost seems bigoted.

I am mildly comfortable with cultural bigotry.  Is there a word for that?

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« Reply #36 on: July 16, 2015, 10:48:47 PM »

You want to live with a bunch of people who are exactly the same as you? Doesn't seem very diverse.  Almost seems bigoted.

I am mildly comfortable with cultural bigotry.  Is there a word for that?
Jingoism? No, that's not it.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #37 on: July 16, 2015, 10:50:13 PM »
What about the economic impacts?  What am I not thinking of here?  I assume there would be a very difficult restructuring for all the Nations.  But am I wrong in thinking that they'd all have as just as good of a shot to rebound as Eastern Europe did after the Cold War?

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #38 on: July 16, 2015, 10:50:57 PM »
Xenophobia?

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2015, 10:51:30 PM »

Xeniphobia?

Maybe, but I am not afraid of the others, I just don't like them.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2015, 10:52:04 PM »
I think a trucker as protagonist would be pretty great.  Motorcycle pirates, IEDs, checkpoints, Humvee escorts, gas station forts, WOW PETE!
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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2015, 10:52:28 PM »

Xeniphobia?

Maybe, but I am not afraid of the others, I just don't like them.
It can mean fear or disliking.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2015, 10:53:39 PM »
I guess I don't get the point, Pete. Is this thought experiment supposed to be instructive, or are you just venting?

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2015, 10:54:30 PM »
Are Arizonans really rough ridin' with your crap that much, or are you just annoyed?

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« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2015, 10:55:12 PM »
What about the economic impacts?  What am I not thinking of here?  I assume there would be a very difficult restructuring for all the Nations.  But am I wrong in thinking that they'd all have as just as good of a shot to rebound as Eastern Europe did after the Cold War?

I mean, it would be pretty disastrous for everyone even if it was just somewhat contentious.
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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2015, 10:57:07 PM »
Hey guys, it's all good. We might even end up like Estonia.

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« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2015, 10:57:27 PM »
Economic alliances with other established countries would help smooth transitions.

The Northwest would likely find a friend in Korea and Japan.  As well as Canada.  The Northeast with Canada and Western Europe.

The SEC with China.

Latin North America would probably have to whore out with Venezuela or some other oil and agriculturally rich group of South American countries.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2015, 10:58:18 PM »

You can go to hell.  I will stay in Texas.

I did not expect that.  Even if the country broke apart?

I just assumed one would have to be an affluent sociopath or destitute to want to stay in Texas in this sort of hypothetical situation.  No?
Not sure why you would assume that. State your principles, Sir.

I mean, it's a land that seems pretty comfortable with the idea that everyone must fend for themselves and that only the strong should survive,  AND/OR that the week are somehow serving their natural purpose by submitting to their betters.  That isn't just a Texas thing though, that's an SEC thing.  So, I am mostly talking about white Texans.

I take back my earlier thoughts on a peaceful divorce.  I think the SEC would go to war with the Latinos areas of the Southwest.

Yeah I love central Texas and Austin but if Texas went independent I'd be getting the eff out with a quickness. This place would turn into a theocracy like instantly and the rural people would straight up march on the big cities with all their guns. No thanks.

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« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2015, 10:59:14 PM »

You can go to hell.  I will stay in Texas.

I did not expect that.  Even if the country broke apart?

I just assumed one would have to be an affluent sociopath or destitute to want to stay in Texas in this sort of hypothetical situation.  No?
Not sure why you would assume that. State your principles, Sir.

I mean, it's a land that seems pretty comfortable with the idea that everyone must fend for themselves and that only the strong should survive,  AND/OR that the week are somehow serving their natural purpose by submitting to their betters.  That isn't just a Texas thing though, that's an SEC thing.  So, I am mostly talking about white Texans.

I take back my earlier thoughts on a peaceful divorce.  I think the SEC would go to war with the Latinos areas of the Southwest.

Yeah I love central Texas and Austin but if Texas went independent I'd be getting the eff out with a quickness. This place would turn into a theocracy like instantly and the rural people would straight up march on the big cities with all their guns. No thanks.
Which is why I love living in Austin, in Texas, in the USA.  Great balance in all things.

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Re: Breaking up the United States
« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2015, 10:59:53 PM »

What about the economic impacts?  What am I not thinking of here?  I assume there would be a very difficult restructuring for all the Nations.  But am I wrong in thinking that they'd all have as just as good of a shot to rebound as Eastern Europe did after the Cold War?

I mean, it would be pretty disastrous for everyone even if it was just somewhat contentious.

Like, how disastrous?  Like we have to pay the same gas prices as people in London or Glasgow?  Or we slip into an impoverished status?