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[420seriouscat69]

I'm going to nickname this years offense: "Slothffense"! 

[Dr Rick Daris]

if ertz is given full reigns as a sophomore qb while sams wasn't so help me god

[CNS]

Rick, it's fine.  Ertz can run.

[Panjandrum]

I'm not saying that Ertz isn't going to come out of camp looking like the best option at QB; he certainly has a lot of reasons to be the guy who gives us the best chance to win Games 1-3.  So, this isn't commentary on that...

However...when people reference KMAN reports, or some things people saw at FAD, I know enough about KSU fans to know that if given any alternative, they're going to root for a kid who comes from a small town, with little fan fare, over a much more athletic or highly recruited option.  Bazooka Joe is pretty much the epitome of everything a number of our fans have in mind for what Kansas State football is and should be.  He's a walk-on from a small, Kansas town, and he's worked his way up through the depth chart to potentially become the starting QB.  It's like a dream come true for some of them.

I guess what I'm saying is that a number of our fans, who are from small towns, vicariously live through a lot of these walk-on guys because they relate to them in some way, and they really can't be objective about who is really out-performing who. 

Now, in this case, Ertz may have been a better option at FAD.  He was the most steady/consistent option in the Spring Game, so I'm not going to vociferously complain.  But I'm just not going to trust a lot of reports right now (outside of some people on here) because I feel like they aren't going to be objective based on the above.

[DQ12]

I find the lack of faith in a guy called Mr. Touchdown to be a little puzzling.

[meow meow]

I'm not saying that Ertz isn't going to come out of camp looking like the best option at QB; he certainly has a lot of reasons to be the guy who gives us the best chance to win Games 1-3.  So, this isn't commentary on that...

However...when people reference KMAN reports, or some things people saw at FAD, I know enough about KSU fans to know that if given any alternative, they're going to root for a kid who comes from a small town, with little fan fare, over a much more athletic or highly recruited option.  Bazooka Joe is pretty much the epitome of everything a number of our fans have in mind for what Kansas State football is and should be.  He's a walk-on from a small, Kansas town, and he's worked his way up through the depth chart to potentially become the starting QB.  It's like a dream come true for some of them.

I guess what I'm saying is that a number of our fans, who are from small towns, vicariously live through a lot of these walk-on guys because they relate to them in some way, and they really can't be objective about who is really out-performing who. 

Now, in this case, Ertz may have been a better option at FAD.  He was the most steady/consistent option in the Spring Game, so I'm not going to vociferously complain.  But I'm just not going to trust a lot of reports right now (outside of some people on here) because I feel like they aren't going to be objective based on the above.

this only works if the walkon is actually good.  our fans hated Schellenberg for example.

[purplehaze]

This board hates ertz because he's white and from Iowa, just like they hated waters (arguably the best throwing QB in kstate history... and he played with a  separated shoulder).

:shirttuck:

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[Dr Rick Daris]

This board hates ertz because he's white and from Iowa, just like they hated waters (arguably the best throwing QB in kstate history... and he played with a  separated shoulder).

:shirttuck:

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i hated waters because i knew that he was incapable of ever winning the big game and that kstate was not going to win a big12 championship with him as our qb.

[purplehaze]

And gmafb about Sams already, Lockett was the guy, we needed a QB that could consistently get it to him. Sams was a tc, fp, etc.

I hope banks or delton can be really good, but let's wait and see how ertz performs in the first few games before calling him the next everidge.

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[#LIFE]

This board hates ertz because he's white and from Iowa, just like they hated waters (arguably the best throwing QB in kstate history... and he played with a  separated shoulder).

:shirttuck:

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[purplehaze]

This board hates ertz because he's white and from Iowa, just like they hated waters (arguably the best throwing QB in kstate history... and he played with a  separated shoulder).

:shirttuck:

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i hated waters because i knew that he was incapable of ever winning the big game and that kstate was not going to win a big12 championship with him as our qb.

It wasn't waters that held us back

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[PoetWarrior]

this only works if the walkon is actually good.  our fans hated Schellenberg for example.

Oh, please. They loved him.

[CNS]

This board hates ertz because he's white and from Iowa, just like they hated waters (arguably the best throwing QB in kstate history... and he played with a  separated shoulder).

:shirttuck:

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Lockett should get a dollar every time a tuck posts some crap like this.

[Dr Rick Daris]

And gmafb about Sams already, Lockett was the guy, we needed a QB that could consistently get it to him. Sams was a tc, fp, etc.

sams career completion percentage was much higher than waters was. so if successfully getting the ball to lockett was important, we should've went with sams.

[CNS]

This board hates ertz because he's white and from Iowa, just like they hated waters (arguably the best throwing QB in kstate history... and he played with a  separated shoulder).

:shirttuck:

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i hated waters because i knew that he was incapable of ever winning the big game and that kstate was not going to win a big12 championship with him as our qb.

It wasn't waters that held us back

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Yep, it was all the interceptions

[purplehaze]

Because he was run first while waters was the pass first. If sams played full time a full season I'd be shocked if his stats would have held up.

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[purplehaze]

This board hates ertz because he's white and from Iowa, just like they hated waters (arguably the best throwing QB in kstate history... and he played with a  separated shoulder).

:shirttuck:

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i hated waters because i knew that he was incapable of ever winning the big game and that kstate was not going to win a big12 championship with him as our qb.

It wasn't waters that held us back

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Yep, it was all the interceptions

Or the lack of competent rb

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[Gooch]

I'm not saying that Ertz isn't going to come out of camp looking like the best option at QB; he certainly has a lot of reasons to be the guy who gives us the best chance to win Games 1-3.  So, this isn't commentary on that...

However...when people reference KMAN reports, or some things people saw at FAD, I know enough about KSU fans to know that if given any alternative, they're going to root for a kid who comes from a small town, with little fan fare, over a much more athletic or highly recruited option.  Bazooka Joe is pretty much the epitome of everything a number of our fans have in mind for what Kansas State football is and should be.  He's a walk-on from a small, Kansas town, and he's worked his way up through the depth chart to potentially become the starting QB.  It's like a dream come true for some of them.

I guess what I'm saying is that a number of our fans, who are from small towns, vicariously live through a lot of these walk-on guys because they relate to them in some way, and they really can't be objective about who is really out-performing who. 

Now, in this case, Ertz may have been a better option at FAD.  He was the most steady/consistent option in the Spring Game, so I'm not going to vociferously complain.  But I'm just not going to trust a lot of reports right now (outside of some people on here) because I feel like they aren't going to be objective based on the above.

this only works if the walkon is actually good.  our fans hated Schellenberg for example.

Wichita Collegiate

[kslim]

 

[purplehaze]

66% completion with a 3:1 td to int and 3500 yards... with Lockett... without a rb... with a separated shoulder. It's crazy that waters gets crap on as much as he does.

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[purplehaze]

This board hates ertz because he's white and from Iowa, just like they hated waters (arguably the best throwing QB in kstate history... and he played with a  separated shoulder).

:shirttuck:

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i hated waters because i knew that he was incapable of ever winning the big game and that kstate was not going to win a big12 championship with him as our qb.

It wasn't waters that held us back

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Yep, it was all the interceptions

Like the one sams threw at Okie state at the end of the game?

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[CNS]

Oh man, that one interception....

[purplehaze]

Sorry for derailing the thread. Tidbit: newlan is athletic, even though he's white!

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[purplehaze]

Oh man, that one interception....

He lost us a game we could have won, isn't that what matters? He has a smaller sample size, how do you know he wouldn't have been worse than waters?

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[CNS]

We have already done this a dozen times. 

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