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Re: American Exceptionalism
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Re: American Exceptionalism
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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #102 on: June 24, 2015, 09:04:49 AM »
I think history has shown that ultra nationalism is a bad thing

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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #103 on: June 24, 2015, 09:08:39 AM »
This one is better in higher res.


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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #104 on: June 24, 2015, 09:12:20 AM »
I think history has shown that ultra nationalism is a bad thing, per capita

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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #105 on: June 24, 2015, 09:30:29 AM »

Guys, if anyone has any other libtarded arguments for why the United States is not the greatest force for good the world has ever known, please let me know. I'm itching to fire up some new memes. Otherwise continue with the flag talk I guess.

We are the best at hating different cultures. Per capita, tho?

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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #106 on: June 24, 2015, 09:38:45 AM »
KSUW, you could probably compile those, come up with a few new ones, and sell the crap out of it as a coffee table book to a bunch of ppl on line.  You could probably do it exclusively through Facebook and retire off of it.

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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #107 on: June 24, 2015, 09:40:12 AM »
You could market it with a buy one, get a free car manufacturer pissing on a different car manufacturer sticker or something.  Maybe a confed flag bumper sticker? 

Just brainstorming...

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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #108 on: June 24, 2015, 09:42:03 AM »
I think what the Romans did with aqueducts was a greater force for good.

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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #109 on: June 24, 2015, 09:46:02 AM »

KSUW, you could probably compile those, come up with a few new ones, and sell the crap out of it as a coffee table book to a bunch of ppl on line.  You could probably do it exclusively through Facebook and retire off of it.

He already pays a shitload in taxes, you think he wants to pay even more?
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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #110 on: June 24, 2015, 10:33:42 AM »
Guys, if anyone has any other libtarded arguments for why the United States is not the greatest force for good the world has ever known, please let me know. I'm itching to fire up some new memes. Otherwise continue with the flag talk I guess.

i believe that the point was that our crap doesn't smell like roses, but keep doing your thing. i enjoy laughing at you.

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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #111 on: June 24, 2015, 10:57:58 AM »
Guys, if anyone has any other libtarded arguments for why the United States is not the greatest force for good the world has ever known, please let me know. I'm itching to fire up some new memes. Otherwise continue with the flag talk I guess.

i believe that the point was that our crap doesn't smell like roses, but keep doing your thing. i enjoy laughing at you.

I really think it's an interesting conversation that I would enjoy having with a grown-up. But yeah, K-S-U has been great in this thread.

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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #112 on: June 24, 2015, 11:21:57 AM »
I think American Exceptionalism is largely to make people feel like they are better than other countries, usually while not contributing in any meaningful way.  People want to feel like they are great and the only way for some to do that is by thinking it is their birthright.

Has America accomplished some pretty great things?  Sure.  Have I or a majority of the people in America contributed meaningfully to those accomplishments?  Not really.

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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #113 on: June 24, 2015, 11:37:44 AM »
I think American Exceptionalism is largely to make people feel like they are better than other countries, usually while not contributing in any meaningful way.  People want to feel like they are great and the only way for some to do that is by thinking it is their birthright.

Has America accomplished some pretty great things?  Sure.  Have I or a majority of the people in America contributed meaningfully to those accomplishments?  Not really.

American Exceptionalism is an idea. Like any other idea, it's either true or it isn't. I'm still waiting for an argument as to another country that has been a greater force for good (and no, we're not going "per capita"). I guess there was the Romans thing because of aqueducts?
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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #114 on: June 24, 2015, 11:40:42 AM »
Not every idea is true or false.

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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #115 on: June 24, 2015, 11:43:04 AM »
I know you are not a serious type of person to debate with, but if you want to make the claim that

Country A is the greatest force for good.

you must define your terms.  What is precisely meant by "greatest", "force", and "good"? It would probably be wise to define "country" as well.

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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #116 on: June 24, 2015, 11:43:48 AM »
This thread reminds me of Will McAvoy's rant on Newsroom.

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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #117 on: June 24, 2015, 11:47:03 AM »
American Exceptionalism is an idea. Like any other idea, it's either true or it isn't.

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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #118 on: June 24, 2015, 11:47:19 AM »
I think American Exceptionalism is largely to make people feel like they are better than other countries, usually while not contributing in any meaningful way.  People want to feel like they are great and the only way for some to do that is by thinking it is their birthright.

Has America accomplished some pretty great things?  Sure.  Have I or a majority of the people in America contributed meaningfully to those accomplishments?  Not really.

American Exceptionalism is an idea. Like any other idea, it's either true or it isn't. I'm still waiting for an argument as to another country that has been a greater force for good (and no, we're not going "per capita"). I guess there was the Romans thing because of aqueducts?

The "greatest force for good" is not the same thing as "American Exceptionalism" as it is widely used today. (And I'd also like to see you address ching's post)

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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #119 on: June 24, 2015, 11:48:15 AM »
From Wikipedia, so grain of salt and what not

Alexis de Tocqueville, 1831
The first reference to the concept by name, and possibly its origin, was by French writer Alexis de Tocqueville in his 1835/1840 work, Democracy in America:

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The position of the Americans is therefore quite exceptional, and it may be believed that no democratic people will ever be placed in a similar one. Their strictly Puritanical origin, their exclusively commercial habits, even the country they inhabit, which seems to divert their minds from the pursuit of science, literature, and the arts, the proximity of Europe, which allows them to neglect these pursuits without relapsing into barbarism, a thousand special causes, of which I have only been able to point out the most important, have singularly concurred to fix the mind of the American upon purely practical objects. His passions, his wants, his education, and everything about him seem to unite in drawing the native of the United States earthward; his religion alone bids him turn, from time to time, a transient and distracted glance to heaven. Let us cease, then, to view all democratic nations under the example of the American people.

Seems like quite a different definition of the term than "Greatest force for good".  In fact, almost all of the early references are about America having a unique set of circumstances when compared to European nations...America as fundamentally different, not fundamentally great.
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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #120 on: June 24, 2015, 11:51:40 AM »
I think American Exceptionalism is largely to make people feel like they are better than other countries, usually while not contributing in any meaningful way.  People want to feel like they are great and the only way for some to do that is by thinking it is their birthright.


I mean, this is the quintessential rationale for people who vote democrat against their better interest. Why don't the libtards have a beef with that?
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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #121 on: June 24, 2015, 11:56:07 AM »
From Wikipedia, so grain of salt and what not

Alexis de Tocqueville, 1831
The first reference to the concept by name, and possibly its origin, was by French writer Alexis de Tocqueville in his 1835/1840 work, Democracy in America:

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The position of the Americans is therefore quite exceptional, and it may be believed that no democratic people will ever be placed in a similar one. Their strictly Puritanical origin, their exclusively commercial habits, even the country they inhabit, which seems to divert their minds from the pursuit of science, literature, and the arts, the proximity of Europe, which allows them to neglect these pursuits without relapsing into barbarism, a thousand special causes, of which I have only been able to point out the most important, have singularly concurred to fix the mind of the American upon purely practical objects. His passions, his wants, his education, and everything about him seem to unite in drawing the native of the United States earthward; his religion alone bids him turn, from time to time, a transient and distracted glance to heaven. Let us cease, then, to view all democratic nations under the example of the American people.

Seems like quite a different definition of the term than "Greatest force for good".  In fact, almost all of the early references are about America having a unique set of circumstances when compared to European nations...America as fundamentally different, not fundamentally great.

Well yeah.  What do you think exceptional means?
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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #122 on: June 24, 2015, 11:57:45 AM »
From Wikipedia, so grain of salt and what not

Alexis de Tocqueville, 1831
The first reference to the concept by name, and possibly its origin, was by French writer Alexis de Tocqueville in his 1835/1840 work, Democracy in America:

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The position of the Americans is therefore quite exceptional, and it may be believed that no democratic people will ever be placed in a similar one. Their strictly Puritanical origin, their exclusively commercial habits, even the country they inhabit, which seems to divert their minds from the pursuit of science, literature, and the arts, the proximity of Europe, which allows them to neglect these pursuits without relapsing into barbarism, a thousand special causes, of which I have only been able to point out the most important, have singularly concurred to fix the mind of the American upon purely practical objects. His passions, his wants, his education, and everything about him seem to unite in drawing the native of the United States earthward; his religion alone bids him turn, from time to time, a transient and distracted glance to heaven. Let us cease, then, to view all democratic nations under the example of the American people.

Seems like quite a different definition of the term than "Greatest force for good".  In fact, almost all of the early references are about America having a unique set of circumstances when compared to European nations...America as fundamentally different, not fundamentally great.

Well yeah.  What do you think exceptional means?

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adjective
1.
forming an exception or rare instance; unusual; extraordinary:
The warm weather was exceptional for January.
2.
unusually excellent; superior:
an exceptional violinist.
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Re: American Exceptionalism
« Reply #123 on: June 24, 2015, 12:00:24 PM »
Yes, so it seems quite prudent to believe that America is exceptional. 
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« Reply #124 on: June 24, 2015, 12:02:58 PM »
Yes, so it seems quite prudent to believe that America is exceptional.
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