The Trump Candidacy

[steve dave]

you guys just ignoring rough ridin' eagles now? you murder one you go to prison, unless you're in the pocket of BIG GREEN ENERGY

[Gooch]

I do think he is right about them being very expensive...at least in the construction process.  I have been involved in the construction of a few of these in Kansas.  The cost of the projects are unbelievably high.  I've heard that the only reason they are viable at this point is due to the government subsidies for clean power.  Thus, if the subsidies weren't available you wouldn't see near as many facilities being constructed.  To be fair, I haven't seen any numbers regarding the how long it takes for them to "pay for themselves" with the power they generate once operational.  The construction cost just seems to be so high that it would take forever to pay off.

It is also interesting that most of the windfarms being constructed in Kansas are by out of state entities.  I think the one we are currently working on is being funded by at least in part by Google (at least that is what I heard).

This tells you they are profitable.

[XocolateThundarr]

I do think he is right about them being very expensive...at least in the construction process.  I have been involved in the construction of a few of these in Kansas.  The cost of the projects are unbelievably high.  I've heard that the only reason they are viable at this point is due to the government subsidies for clean power.  Thus, if the subsidies weren't available you wouldn't see near as many facilities being constructed.  To be fair, I haven't seen any numbers regarding the how long it takes for them to "pay for themselves" with the power they generate once operational.  The construction cost just seems to be so high that it would take forever to pay off.

It is also interesting that most of the windfarms being constructed in Kansas are by out of state entities.  I think the one we are currently working on is being funded by at least in part by Google (at least that is what I heard).

This tells you they are profitable.

Possibly....the farm down by Howard was constructed by an entity from Tennessee if I remember correctly.  As I understood it, they were required to construct it to offset the amount of energy used/generated from "dirty energy".  Also, are they profitable if the government subsidies aren't there?  I mean, just the turbines for a farm out by Dodge cost $300 million.  That doesn't include any other components, infrastructure improvements, or construction costs.

[Phil Titola]

Best-looking power? Probably hydro, right?

Hoover dam isn't sexy. Impressive but not sexy.  How about natural gas with its sexy stacks?

[star seed 7]

Dams is def the best looking

[CNS]

Solar panels are fine.  I mean, in small amts, they are basically shiny roofs.

[tdaver]

“I will do anything that is basically covered by the law to reduce Berkshire’s tax rate,” Buffett told an audience in Omaha, Nebraska this weekend. “For example, on wind energy, we get a tax credit if we build a lot of wind farms. That’s the only reason to build them. They don’t make sense without the tax credit.”

[Gooch]

I do think he is right about them being very expensive...at least in the construction process.  I have been involved in the construction of a few of these in Kansas.  The cost of the projects are unbelievably high.  I've heard that the only reason they are viable at this point is due to the government subsidies for clean power.  Thus, if the subsidies weren't available you wouldn't see near as many facilities being constructed.  To be fair, I haven't seen any numbers regarding the how long it takes for them to "pay for themselves" with the power they generate once operational.  The construction cost just seems to be so high that it would take forever to pay off.

It is also interesting that most of the windfarms being constructed in Kansas are by out of state entities.  I think the one we are currently working on is being funded by at least in part by Google (at least that is what I heard).

This tells you they are profitable.

Possibly....the farm down by Howard was constructed by an entity from Tennessee if I remember correctly.  As I understood it, they were required to construct it to offset the amount of energy used/generated from "dirty energy".  Also, are they profitable if the government subsidies aren't there?  I mean, just the turbines for a farm out by Dodge cost $300 million.  That doesn't include any other components, infrastructure improvements, or construction costs.

what's the cost to build a new coal or gas fired plant?

[wetwillie]

Solar panels are fine.  I mean, in small amts, they are basically shiny roofs.

Elon Musk and Solar City are going to introduce their new solar shingle product tomorrow.  Supposed to be similar to a traditional roof shingle in look and function.

[CNS]

Solar panels are fine.  I mean, in small amts, they are basically shiny roofs.

Elon Musk and Solar City are going to introduce their new solar shingle product tomorrow.  Supposed to be similar to a traditional roof shingle in look and function.

There was another company trying to do this several years ago.  Will be a game changer if it is reasonably affordable. 

I have also heard of a company that was out of New Mex that is working with German power companies right now on printable solar panels.  Evidently, they are something like 30% more efficient than current market panels and consist of a solar ink/paint substance that they print on foil.  So it's super light weight too.  Solar paint would be amaze.

[wetwillie]

Solar panels are fine.  I mean, in small amts, they are basically shiny roofs.

Elon Musk and Solar City are going to introduce their new solar shingle product tomorrow.  Supposed to be similar to a traditional roof shingle in look and function.

There was another company trying to do this several years ago.  Will be a game changer if it is reasonably affordable. 

I have also heard of a company that was out of New Mex that is working with German power companies right now on printable solar panels.  Evidently, they are something like 30% more efficient than current market panels and consist of a solar ink/paint substance that they print on foil.  So it's super light weight too.  Solar paint would be amaze.

Luna I think is who you are talking about.  Some dude in Detroit has been doing it for a decade but obviously can't scale. 

[EMAWican]

When the government claimed that they weren't going to extend the tax credits on wind farms the number of proposed wind farms went to zero. After they got pushback and extended them, wind farms started getting built. All you need to know if they're feasible or not.

Just an FYI that a lot of people don't realize. Like 98+% of the electricity generated via Kansas wind farms goes out of state.

[XocolateThundarr]

I do think he is right about them being very expensive...at least in the construction process.  I have been involved in the construction of a few of these in Kansas.  The cost of the projects are unbelievably high.  I've heard that the only reason they are viable at this point is due to the government subsidies for clean power.  Thus, if the subsidies weren't available you wouldn't see near as many facilities being constructed.  To be fair, I haven't seen any numbers regarding the how long it takes for them to "pay for themselves" with the power they generate once operational.  The construction cost just seems to be so high that it would take forever to pay off.

It is also interesting that most of the windfarms being constructed in Kansas are by out of state entities.  I think the one we are currently working on is being funded by at least in part by Google (at least that is what I heard).

This tells you they are profitable.

Possibly....the farm down by Howard was constructed by an entity from Tennessee if I remember correctly.  As I understood it, they were required to construct it to offset the amount of energy used/generated from "dirty energy".  Also, are they profitable if the government subsidies aren't there?  I mean, just the turbines for a farm out by Dodge cost $300 million.  That doesn't include any other components, infrastructure improvements, or construction costs.

what's the cost to build a new coal or gas fired plant?

[EMAWican]

If coal or natural gas power plants were subsidized and OKed environmentally, you'd see a plethora of them built. The free money is with green energy.

[star seed 7]

I do think he is right about them being very expensive...at least in the construction process.  I have been involved in the construction of a few of these in Kansas.  The cost of the projects are unbelievably high.  I've heard that the only reason they are viable at this point is due to the government subsidies for clean power.  Thus, if the subsidies weren't available you wouldn't see near as many facilities being constructed.  To be fair, I haven't seen any numbers regarding the how long it takes for them to "pay for themselves" with the power they generate once operational.  The construction cost just seems to be so high that it would take forever to pay off.

It is also interesting that most of the windfarms being constructed in Kansas are by out of state entities.  I think the one we are currently working on is being funded by at least in part by Google (at least that is what I heard).

This tells you they are profitable.

Possibly....the farm down by Howard was constructed by an entity from Tennessee if I remember correctly.  As I understood it, they were required to construct it to offset the amount of energy used/generated from "dirty energy".  Also, are they profitable if the government subsidies aren't there?  I mean, just the turbines for a farm out by Dodge cost $300 million.  That doesn't include any other components, infrastructure improvements, or construction costs.

what's the cost to build a new coal or gas fired plant?

It's a lot

[Mrs. Gooch]

In fact, the estimated costs of building new coal plants
have reached $3,500 per kW, without financing costs, and are still expected to increase
further. This would mean a cost of well over $2 billion for a new 600 MW coal plant when
financing costs are included.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/91d3/bd08c6672492fda5e14484abecea86117ad6.pdf

[Institutional Control]

Rudy in over his head.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/watch-chris-cuomo-battles-giuliani-for-living-in-fact-free-trumpland-during-tense-interview/

[Emo EMAW]

In fact, the estimated costs of building new coal plants
have reached $3,500 per kW, without financing costs, and are still expected to increase
further. This would mean a cost of well over $2 billion for a new 600 MW coal plant when
financing costs are included.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/91d3/bd08c6672492fda5e14484abecea86117ad6.pdf

I wonder why that is?

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Nuclear is the best looking.

You must be out of your dam mind.


 

 

[star seed 7]

Obsessed with sex, just like the media (    ), smdh

[Rage Against the McKee]

Megyn probably designed that plant.

[sys]

Best-looking power? Probably hydro, right?

hydro can be very sexy.  i think a lot of the others can be attractive as well, a lot of it is a question of design.

[cfbandyman]

I do think he is right about them being very expensive...at least in the construction process.  I have been involved in the construction of a few of these in Kansas.  The cost of the projects are unbelievably high.  I've heard that the only reason they are viable at this point is due to the government subsidies for clean power.  Thus, if the subsidies weren't available you wouldn't see near as many facilities being constructed.  To be fair, I haven't seen any numbers regarding the how long it takes for them to "pay for themselves" with the power they generate once operational.  The construction cost just seems to be so high that it would take forever to pay off.

It is also interesting that most of the windfarms being constructed in Kansas are by out of state entities.  I think the one we are currently working on is being funded by at least in part by Google (at least that is what I heard).

This tells you they are profitable.

Possibly....the farm down by Howard was constructed by an entity from Tennessee if I remember correctly.  As I understood it, they were required to construct it to offset the amount of energy used/generated from "dirty energy".  Also, are they profitable if the government subsidies aren't there?  I mean, just the turbines for a farm out by Dodge cost $300 million.  That doesn't include any other components, infrastructure improvements, or construction costs.

what's the cost to build a new coal or gas fired plant?

Natural gas is pretty cheap relative. The real way to compare across is $/MWh



The thing is, wind, and especially solar is continuing to go down in price over time. The biggest hindrances those have though is demand loading and energy storage (sun not shining, wind not blowing). That being said,d I've also thought solar was a great solution to reduce summer time load, after all, your greatest demand on the grid is in the summer time, and when does solar work the best? Oh yeah, when it's hot and sunny out. I've also never been bothered by wind turbines when i see them, always thing of their energy production when I see them turning and it makes me very

IMO though, I'd like to see a lot more investment in fusion power, it's still be "20 years off" for like 50 years, but its success basically solves every problem with energy production. Doesn't get much better than literally harnessing the power of the sun.

[chum1]

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Issenberg, the author of The Victory Lab: The Secret Science of Winning Campaigns, is well versed in this sort of science, and “no scientific basis” is almost an understatement — if you know anything about the basics of political science or data analysis, or both, you know that the idea that a last-second burst of Facebook posts could flip any meaningful number of people from voters to nonvoters is fairly bonkers, and doubly bonkers when you’re targeting a group which has exhibited an historic amount of animus toward your candidate.

http://nymag.com/selectall/2016/10/is-the-trump-campaign-getting-scammed-by-data-hucksters.html

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

When the government claimed that they weren't going to extend the tax credits on wind farms the number of proposed wind farms went to zero. After they got pushback and extended them, wind farms started getting built. All you need to know if they're feasible or not.

Just an FYI that a lot of people don't realize. Like 98+% of the electricity generated via Kansas wind farms goes out of state.

People are extremely stupid about wind, that it's profitable without subsidies, that the technology is new or improving, that it's efficient.

Solar is all of those things except efficient, but is even a larger loss item.