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The Gender Wage Gap
« on: April 22, 2015, 09:50:18 AM »
https://twitter.com/CHSommers/status/590549815660060672

Some of the responses are pretty funny. I think my favorite was

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it makes sense if you assume that engineering is a bastion of misogyny with hookers required at every meeting

I don't think anybody assumes that.


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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2015, 10:02:12 AM »
Isn't the wage gap concept based more on people performing same jobs for different pay versus teachers don't make as much as engineers?

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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2015, 10:27:33 AM »
Isn't the wage gap concept based more on people performing same jobs for different pay versus teachers don't make as much as engineers?

don't let that stand in the way of a good thread :users:

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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2015, 10:49:18 AM »
hell no, let her rip

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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2015, 10:51:48 AM »
if hillary gets elected, she only gets paid $308k, right? thats some savings that some voters would appreciate!

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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2015, 11:03:12 AM »
Isn't the wage gap concept based more on people performing same jobs for different pay versus teachers don't make as much as engineers?

No, and that's the problem. It isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. The 77-cents myth is a complete fabrication because it simply compares average wages of all women versus all men working full time, regardless of occupation or other lifestyle choices (such as chosing to work part time ot work less). Once you control for such factors, the gap narrows significantly.

HuffPo: Wage Gap Myth Exposed - By Feminists

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The AAUW has now joined ranks with serious economists who find that when you control for relevant differences between men and women (occupations, college majors, length of time in workplace) the wage gap narrows to the point of vanishing. The 23-cent gap is simply the average difference between the earnings of men and women employed "full time." What is important is the "adjusted" wage gap-the figure that controls for all the relevant variables. That is what the new AAUW study explores.

See also http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jun/21/barack-obama/barack-obama-ad-says-women-are-paid-77-cents-dolla/
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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2015, 11:19:30 AM »
Well that is stupid then.  Of course a doctor makes more than a nurse, lawyer more than a paralegal etc.

KSUW and I are seeing eye to eye these days. 

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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2015, 11:33:53 AM »

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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2015, 11:36:32 AM »
well damn now i don't know who to believe.  snopes?

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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2015, 11:38:30 AM »
this is kinda hard because kazudub has already convinced me that huffpo is not to be trusted

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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2015, 12:04:19 PM »
lean in, mother fuckers.
I think what my friend Mitch is trying to say is that true love is blind.

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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2015, 12:11:13 PM »
Now I'm losing my crap

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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2015, 01:03:49 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/upshot/the-pay-gap-is-because-of-gender-not-jobs.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=0

23 cents is the high end but there is certainly still a gap

Did you actually read that article? Here's the key part:

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Dr. Goldin sets aside much of the conventional wisdom about what makes workplaces more equitable, like anti-discrimination laws and employee revolt. And she does not emphasize the “Lean In” prescription — involving men in domestic chores and improving women’s confidence and negotiating skills.

Instead, she said, the trick is workplace flexibility in terms of hours and location.

“The gender gap in pay would be considerably reduced and might vanish altogether if firms did not have an incentive to disproportionately reward individuals who labored long hours and worked particular hours,” she wrote in a paper published this month in The American Economic Review.

Occupations that most value long hours, face time at the office and being on call — like business, law and surgery — tend to have the widest pay gaps. That is because those employers pay people who spend longer hours at the office disproportionately more than they pay people who don’t, Dr. Goldin found. A lawyer who works 80 hours a week at a big corporate law firm is paid more than double one who works 40 hours a week as an in-house counsel at a small business.

Well color me shocked! Employers want to pay more money to people who work harder? That doesn't seem very fair, does it?

The fact remains that any number of studies by economists who have seriously looked at this conclude that the supposed "gender wage gap" is little to non-existent when controlling for certain quantifiable factors like different occupations, different hours, etc. Therefore, what little gap remains - maybe 1-6% depending on the study - is due to non-quantifiable factors.

What might those non-quantifiable factors be? Well, I suppose it could be discrimination, even though that violates state and federal law. Or maybe it's just that women are much less likely to negotiate for higher salaries, as numerous studies have shown.

I once talked with a self-proclaimed feminist about this. She was annoying as all fuckall and I knew this would rile her up. To my surprise, she admitted that the 77% statistic is simply based on women working less hours and in occupations that aren't as highly valued, but then she hit me with this: "But we have to consider the discrimination in society that is causing women to want to work fewer hours, and the discrimination that causes majority-female professions like teaching to pay less." In other words, if women choose to lead a more balanced work/family life, that wasn't a real choice - it was subconsciously foisted upon them by society's gender stereotyping. And a school teacher should be paid just the same as a neurosurgeon. What a fantasy world.
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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2015, 01:04:51 PM »
I don't believe the liberal media.

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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2015, 01:30:26 PM »
If true, we men have really dropped the ball for future men workers. Our father's gave us a decisive advantage which we squandered away (likely on message boards and other Internet stuff).
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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2015, 01:40:36 PM »
i think i am reading here from ksudub that women, as a species, do not work as hard or as diligently as men. i am excited to get home and tell my wife about what i learned today.

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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2015, 01:54:03 PM »
i think i am reading here from ksudub that women, as a species, do not work as hard or as diligently as men. i am excited to get home and tell my wife about what i learned today.

When it comes to hours worked, at a paying job, that appears to be correct. Sorry that your wife doesn't get paid for working harder than you at home, but that's life. You really should help her out more. Take out the trash, unload the dishwasher, maybe even hang up a shirt every once in a while.
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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2015, 02:31:53 PM »
i think i am reading here from ksudub that women, as a species, do not work as hard or as diligently as men. i am excited to get home and tell my wife about what i learned today.

When it comes to hours worked, at a paying job, that appears to be correct. Sorry that your wife doesn't get paid for working harder than you at home, but that's life. You really should help her out more. Take out the trash, unload the dishwasher, maybe even hang up a shirt every once in a while.

Or hire help

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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2015, 02:43:30 PM »
okay, i'm going to write that in an e-card.

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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2015, 02:51:43 PM »
okay, i'm going to write that in an e-card.

you'll probably just have to read it to her

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Re: The Gender Wage Gap
« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2015, 03:22:10 PM »
So are we moving on now to dumb jokes?

I feel like it didn't get the play it deserved that ChiCat cited to a NYT blog post titled "Pay Gap is Because of Gender, Not Jobs" - which just cites a feminist complaining/admitting that the wage gap is because companies "disproportionately reward individuals who labored long hours and worked particular hours." That's pretty awesome and hilarious, right?
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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2015, 03:31:04 PM »
So are we moving on now to dumb jokes?

I feel like it didn't get the play it deserved that ChiCat cited to a NYT blog post titled "Pay Gap is Because of Gender, Not Jobs" - which just cites a feminist complaining/admitting that the wage gap is because companies "disproportionately reward individuals who labored long hours and worked particular hours." That's pretty awesome and hilarious, right?

on the news this morning i saw a feminist selling cookies for $1.00 to men and $0.77 to women to highlight the gender pay gap. this lady told me that it was because women are socially conditioned to be happy with anything they can get, whereas men are encouraged to be takers and always ask for more.

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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2015, 03:39:36 PM »
So are we moving on now to dumb jokes?

I feel like it didn't get the play it deserved that ChiCat cited to a NYT blog post titled "Pay Gap is Because of Gender, Not Jobs" - which just cites a feminist complaining/admitting that the wage gap is because companies "disproportionately reward individuals who labored long hours and worked particular hours." That's pretty awesome and hilarious, right?

on the news this morning i saw a feminist selling cookies for $1.00 to men and $0.77 to women to highlight the gender pay gap. this lady told me that it was because women are socially conditioned to be happy with anything they can get, whereas men are encouraged to be takers and always ask for more.

She would have made more money if she sold her cookies to everyone for $1.00. Maybe we have found the missing money/gap?

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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2015, 04:27:26 PM »
So are we moving on now to dumb jokes?

I feel like it didn't get the play it deserved that ChiCat cited to a NYT blog post titled "Pay Gap is Because of Gender, Not Jobs" - which just cites a feminist complaining/admitting that the wage gap is because companies "disproportionately reward individuals who labored long hours and worked particular hours." That's pretty awesome and hilarious, right?

on the news this morning i saw a feminist selling cookies for $1.00 to men and $0.77 to women to highlight the gender pay gap. this lady told me that it was because women are socially conditioned to be happy with anything they can get, whereas men are encouraged to be takers and always ask for more.

She would have made more money if she sold her cookies to everyone for $1.00. Maybe we have found the missing money/gap?

Spite?
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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2015, 04:56:45 PM »
Unlike some loud mouth hairy legged ovarie hating women, some women take time off to have babies and adjust their work schedules to raise them instead of letting someone else do it.  They think of kids as people to be nutured, not to have around to play with when convenient like a dog.  These scarfices most often mean taking a work track resulting lower wages.  Make professions mommy track friendly, and tax the less out of hetro working mommies.