Author Topic: Who is the worst in-game coach in the Big 12? (Read 12514 times)

CNS · « **Reply #50 on:** March 15, 2015, 06:43:12 PM »

I would be OK with it if he did.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #51 on:** March 15, 2015, 06:48:37 PM »

Quote from: CNS on March 15, 2015, 06:43:12 PM

I would be OK with it if he did.

I would too, but that's not the question.

CNS · « **Reply #52 on:** March 15, 2015, 07:00:12 PM »

Who knows. Are those kids signing up for TX or for barnes? I would think that most of them are there for barnes or his assistants.

steve dave · « **Reply #53 on:** March 15, 2015, 07:53:06 PM »

Was Tom Penders a recruiting juggernaut at Texas back before I was born? I have no idea but from listening to FAN around here it sounds like he and everyone else who preceded Barnes had multiple burger boys delivered on their door step every year. That's just the rich Texas basketball history.

steve dave · « **Reply #54 on:** March 15, 2015, 08:03:17 PM »

I mean, it's clear to me that literally anyone could have success at Texas now that one person ever has had success at Texas.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #55 on:** March 15, 2015, 08:04:32 PM »

Quote from: steve dave on March 15, 2015, 07:53:06 PM

Was Tom Penders recruiting balls out at Texas back before I was born? I have no idea but from listening to FAN around here it sounds like he and everyone else who preceded Barnes had multiple burger boys delivered on their door step every year. That's just the rich Texas basketball history.

I'm just comparing Barnes to Barnes. gE would've had Barnes fired 2 years ago if he had the exact same career at K-State.

steve dave · « **Reply #56 on:** March 15, 2015, 08:05:46 PM »

Lies. With his recruiting he could miss the NCAA for a decade and the board consensus would still be to give him time.

steve dave · « **Reply #57 on:** March 15, 2015, 08:07:21 PM »

Do you even remember GRCOAT? Was anyone calling for Huggins' head when we missed the NCAA?

kso_FAN · « **Reply #58 on:** March 15, 2015, 08:07:52 PM »

Quote from: steve dave on March 15, 2015, 08:05:46 PM

Lies. With his recruiting he could miss the NCAA for a decade and the board consensus would still be to give him time.

Hmmm. That's a fair point.

He would've definitely felt heat with an under .500 record with that recruiting.

steve dave · « **Reply #59 on:** March 15, 2015, 08:09:22 PM »

And lol at anyone arguing with steve dave about what the board consensus would be

CNS · « **Reply #60 on:** March 15, 2015, 08:10:19 PM »

If we had a front court like theirs I would be drunk and happy a lot.

wetwillie · « **Reply #61 on:** March 15, 2015, 09:13:52 PM »

I think he needs a new challenge, he's whipped ass at the same place for too long. We could give him that new challenge.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #62 on:** March 15, 2015, 09:59:51 PM »

I think some underrate Barnes/Mack but sometimes SD overstates his case

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #63 on:** March 15, 2015, 10:03:42 PM »

Barnes would absolutely get top 100 players to Manhattan.

wetwillie · « **Reply #64 on:** March 15, 2015, 10:05:50 PM »

You don't rack up 50,000 posts on your own message board by taking the middle ground.

nicname · « **Reply #65 on:** March 15, 2015, 10:51:03 PM »

Quote from: Cartierfor3 on March 15, 2015, 09:59:51 PM

I think some underrate Barnes/Mack but sometimes SD overstates his case

Mack is better than Barnes and was better before UT as well. Mack hate makes me angry. He's underrated if anything.

Not that Barnes is/ was bad or anything.

mocat · « **Reply #66 on:** March 16, 2015, 08:56:03 AM »

yeah the "anybody can win at texas" thing is pretty LOL

Pete · « **Reply #67 on:** March 16, 2015, 09:11:53 AM »

Quote from: mocat on March 16, 2015, 08:56:03 AM

yeah the "anybody can win at texas" thing is pretty LOL

I think every at-large bid coach in this years Tourney could do about as well as Barnes if they had the UT gig.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #68 on:** March 16, 2015, 09:21:45 AM »

FWIW, I've never contended Barnes is bad overall. I just think Barnes now compared to Barnes his first 10 years or so isn't living up to the standard he set for himself.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #69 on:** March 16, 2015, 09:23:15 AM »

Quote from: Pete on March 16, 2015, 09:11:53 AM

Quote from: mocat on March 16, 2015, 08:56:03 AM
yeah the "anybody can win at texas" thing is pretty LOL

I think every at-large bid coach in this years Tourney could do about as well as Barnes if they had the UT gig.

Most of them would not be able to recruit as well as Barnes.

Pete · « **Reply #70 on:** March 16, 2015, 09:35:09 AM »

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on March 16, 2015, 09:23:15 AM

Quote from: Pete on March 16, 2015, 09:11:53 AM

Quote from: mocat on March 16, 2015, 08:56:03 AM
yeah the "anybody can win at texas" thing is pretty LOL

I think every at-large bid coach in this years Tourney could do about as well as Barnes if they had the UT gig.

Most of them would not be able to recruit as well as Barnes.

I think they could recruit very well at Texas. All the at large bid coaches are good recruiters...good enough to land top 100 talent. Maybe not as many McD's, but good enough to never be worse than 4th in talent in the Big 12.

michigancat · « **Reply #71 on:** March 16, 2015, 10:07:24 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on March 15, 2015, 08:04:32 PM

Quote from: steve dave on March 15, 2015, 07:53:06 PM
Was Tom Penders recruiting balls out at Texas back before I was born? I have no idea but from listening to FAN around here it sounds like he and everyone else who preceded Barnes had multiple burger boys delivered on their door step every year. That's just the rich Texas basketball history.

I'm just comparing Barnes to Barnes. gE would've had Barnes fired 2 years ago if he had the exact same career at K-State.

I've always said that a coach that gets us into the NCAA 4 out of 5 years is OK by me, indefinitely. According to steve dave's calculations he's 16 out of 17 so I think we'd be good here.

Quote from: ksu_FAN on March 16, 2015, 09:21:45 AM

FWIW, I've never contended Barnes is bad overall. I just think Barnes now compared to Barnes his first 10 years or so isn't living up to the standard he set for himself.

so we're in agreement that he's a top 15 coach?

kso_FAN · « **Reply #72 on:** March 16, 2015, 10:10:18 AM »

I'm not sure I'd quite put him top 15 after the last 7 years. Probably top 25 though.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #73 on:** March 16, 2015, 10:13:52 AM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on March 16, 2015, 10:10:18 AM

I'm not sure I'd quite put him top 15 after the last 7 years. Probably top 25 though.

How many other coaches have made the tournament 6 out of the last 7 years?

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #74 on:** March 16, 2015, 10:14:22 AM »

I think K-State should make the NCAA every year. My perspective, however flawed on that is based on the fact that IMO K-State is around 3rd in the Big 12 in terms of actually caring about basketball and arguably has the 2nd best overall b-ball tradition in the Big 12. I just don't think its asking all that much to be good enough to make the NCAA tourney every year, particularly in era where the Big 12 is thriving on perception that IMO doesn't match reality.