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Re: Well hello there SAE
« Reply #700 on: April 20, 2016, 03:49:12 PM »
I really dislike the current trend to try to administer vigilante justice outside of a court of law in this situation. If someone is convicted of rape at a fraternity house, maybe the university can hold them accountable, but I don't know the right way.
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« Reply #701 on: April 20, 2016, 03:51:17 PM »
I really dislike the current trend to try to administer vigilante justice outside of a court of law in this situation. If someone is convicted of rape at a fraternity house, maybe the university can hold them accountable, but I don't know the right way.

Is there like a civil court thing you can do to someone who rapes you? Like OJ didn't get convicted of killing Nicole in a court of law but he got found guilty (or liable or whatever) in civil court and had to pay her family, right? So is there something like that for rape?

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Re: Well hello there SAE
« Reply #702 on: April 20, 2016, 03:52:40 PM »
I really dislike the current trend to try to administer vigilante justice outside of a court of law in this situation. If someone is convicted of rape at a fraternity house, maybe the university can hold them accountable, but I don't know the right way.

Is there like a civil court thing you can do to someone who rapes you? Like OJ didn't get convicted of killing Nicole in a court of law but he got found guilty (or liable or whatever) in civil court and had to pay her family, right? So is there something like that for rape?
I don't know, but it would still be a court, not a university admin board meeting, which is good.
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« Reply #703 on: April 20, 2016, 03:58:22 PM »
I think there needs to be a high level discussion on a University's responsibility in these situations.  I'd like to think that most universities want to do the right thing but don't know what that is or they are ill equipped to handle the responsibility.  How would a workplace handle it if there was an accusation between two employees that happened outside of work?

Granted, there are still institutions like Baylor that seem to purposefully put students at risk in favor of their football program.

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« Reply #704 on: April 20, 2016, 03:58:30 PM »
I really dislike the current trend to try to administer vigilante justice outside of a court of law in this situation. If someone is convicted of rape at a fraternity house, maybe the university can hold them accountable, but I don't know the right way.

Is there like a civil court thing you can do to someone who rapes you? Like OJ didn't get convicted of killing Nicole in a court of law but he got found guilty (or liable or whatever) in civil court and had to pay her family, right? So is there something like that for rape?
I don't know, but it would still be a court, not a university admin board meeting, which is good.

Right, but a civil court usually has less of a "beyond a reasonable doubt" requirement for proof of guilt so maybe the rapist would be found liable in a civil court even if not in a court of law. (Lawyers please don't make fun of me for using the wrong terms here.)

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« Reply #705 on: April 20, 2016, 03:58:56 PM »
At least kstate hasn't investigated the actions of these girls and then suspended them from enrolling in future classes.

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« Reply #706 on: April 20, 2016, 04:29:47 PM »
of course the gdi just posts this article in the SAE racism thread because all frats are the same.

anyways, the university has no business in this other than rolling over on the fraternities.

I think what my friend Mitch is trying to say is that true love is blind.

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« Reply #707 on: April 20, 2016, 04:32:06 PM »
of course the gdi just posts this article in the SAE racism thread because all frats are the same.

anyways, the university has no business in this other than rolling over on the fraternities.
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« Reply #708 on: April 20, 2016, 04:37:55 PM »
The real reason why the animal left.  :shakesfist:

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« Reply #709 on: April 20, 2016, 05:03:13 PM »
Civil court you have to prove your innocence as opposed the having to prove the crime.

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« Reply #710 on: April 20, 2016, 05:05:52 PM »
of course the gdi just posts this article in the SAE racism thread because all frats are the same.

anyways, the university has no business in this other than rolling over on the fraternities.
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« Reply #711 on: April 20, 2016, 05:07:33 PM »
 :lol: OMG! Frat guys really believe everybody wants to be a frat guy. :lol:

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« Reply #712 on: April 20, 2016, 05:08:51 PM »
Honestly, it's kind of surprising that WackyCat08 isn't a frat bro
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« Reply #713 on: April 20, 2016, 05:13:33 PM »
Honestly, it's kind of surprising that WackyCat08 isn't a frat bro
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« Reply #714 on: April 20, 2016, 06:04:40 PM »
Civil court you have to prove your innocence as opposed the having to prove the crime.

But what could you sue someone for in civil court with regard to rape?

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« Reply #715 on: April 20, 2016, 06:11:16 PM »
Civil court you have to prove your innocence as opposed the having to prove the crime.

But what could you sue someone for in civil court with regard to rape?

I would guess the cost of counseling, any medical costs associated with the rape, plus pain and suffering.

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« Reply #716 on: April 20, 2016, 06:42:03 PM »
I remember a couple times in college where we had a party and a drunk girl passed out in my bed. Not raping them seemed like a pretty easy thing to do, and it was easy! I wonder why fraternities have a difficult time doing easy things?

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« Reply #717 on: April 20, 2016, 06:49:32 PM »
people get raped at locations other than fraternity houses.  Kind of weird to act like it's just exclusive to fraternities.
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« Reply #718 on: April 20, 2016, 07:07:26 PM »
I think there needs to be a high level discussion on a University's responsibility in these situations.  I'd like to think that most universities want to do the right thing but don't know what that is or they are ill equipped to handle the responsibility.  How would a workplace handle it if there was an accusation between two employees that happened outside of work?

Granted, there are still institutions like Baylor that seem to purposefully put students at risk in favor of their football program.

The greek system is a confederation of different houses that have decided on certain rules and regulations pertaining to membership and conduct of it's members and how each other interacts with each other. Kind of like the Big 12. I guess would you expect the Big 12 to investigate the rape that happened at one of it's institutions? Sure, it needs to be reported, taken care of, proper people prosecuted for the crime, but a problem of the Big 12? I just don't think so. Weird spot to be.

I would imagine that if an investigation was going on between two employees where one accused the other of sexual assault and it happened offsite, the workplace would suspend/terminate the employee that was being accused until the trial and verdict was reached, at which if the defendant is cleared they can be reinstated, if not, the employer could just terminate them anyways since they'd being going to jail anyways if found guilty.

I guess the fairest thing k-state could do is suspend the accused until a verdict was reached, and if they felt like kicking them out they could do that too, but like, why investigate? What is there to investigate the the police shouldn't already be doing?
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« Reply #719 on: April 20, 2016, 07:10:40 PM »
people get raped at locations other than fraternity houses.  Kind of weird to act like it's just exclusive to fraternities.

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« Reply #720 on: April 20, 2016, 07:23:59 PM »
I think there needs to be a high level discussion on a University's responsibility in these situations.  I'd like to think that most universities want to do the right thing but don't know what that is or they are ill equipped to handle the responsibility.  How would a workplace handle it if there was an accusation between two employees that happened outside of work?

Granted, there are still institutions like Baylor that seem to purposefully put students at risk in favor of their football program.

The greek system is a confederation of different houses that have decided on certain rules and regulations pertaining to membership and conduct of it's members and how each other interacts with each other. Kind of like the Big 12. I guess would you expect the Big 12 to investigate the rape that happened at one of it's institutions? Sure, it needs to be reported, taken care of, proper people prosecuted for the crime, but a problem of the Big 12? I just don't think so. Weird spot to be.

I would imagine that if an investigation was going on between two employees where one accused the other of sexual assault and it happened offsite, the workplace would suspend/terminate the employee that was being accused until the trial and verdict was reached, at which if the defendant is cleared they can be reinstated, if not, the employer could just terminate them anyways since they'd being going to jail anyways if found guilty.

I guess the fairest thing k-state could do is suspend the accused until a verdict was reached, and if they felt like kicking them out they could do that too, but like, why investigate? What is there to investigate the the police shouldn't already be doing?

That would almost certainly open up the employer to a lot of liability if the accused is found innocent.
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Re: Well hello there SAE
« Reply #721 on: April 20, 2016, 07:25:21 PM »
Frats and rapes are like a story everyday tho. Obviously it happens other places, but Frats are like the holy grail of the rape game. To not put two and two together is also weird. What's the first thing you think of when you hear roofied? I think frat party.

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« Reply #722 on: April 20, 2016, 08:00:03 PM »
I love watching frat bros get butthurt when people talk trash on frats, especially when said frat bros are over a decade removed from college
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« Reply #723 on: April 20, 2016, 08:02:41 PM »
Let's not forget. Duke Lacrosse.
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« Reply #724 on: April 20, 2016, 08:05:25 PM »
Let's not forget. Duke Lacrosse.

Because of innocent people's lives ruined, I hope?
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