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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #2700 on: June 11, 2010, 09:01:10 AM »
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ChipBrownOB    If Texas A&M takes too long to join others from B12 South in Pac-10, the Aggies could be "put on the clock" and lose invite to Utah or KU.


 :kugoalposts: hey look a mention for them...might help their self-esteem/validation issues a little

STFU :flush:  I would do anything to have a mention.  ANYTHING.

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« Reply #2701 on: June 11, 2010, 09:01:18 AM »
it's not going to happen, but would LOL if utah got the nod.  SLC is comparable to kc market.

SLC is 800K less than KC.




i was looking at tv markets ranked by households, though it was 2004 data, it was less than 100K difference.

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« Reply #2702 on: June 11, 2010, 09:03:10 AM »
it's not going to happen, but would LOL if utah got the nod.  SLC is comparable to kc market.

SLC is 800K less than KC.




i was looking at tv markets ranked by households, though it was 2004 data, it was less than 100K difference.

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« Reply #2703 on: June 11, 2010, 09:04:57 AM »
I am fully down with our bitches (Texas) being  :ohno: about the prospect of A&M opening the floodgates to SEC schools for Texas recruits.




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« Reply #2704 on: June 11, 2010, 09:10:30 AM »
Alright, that MWC/MVC basketball series sounds super :kufan:  Put me in the Big East fan camp.  I'm okay with being a mid-major, but not that much of a mid-major!!

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« Reply #2705 on: June 11, 2010, 09:11:46 AM »
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/10/2008282/big-12-has-a-pulse-for-now.html

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Some hopeful news came out of Manhattan, with a source close to the K-State athletic department saying the Pac-10 could be interested in both Kansas and Kansas State in the scenario that it misses out on some of the teams it is reportedly courting

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/10/2008282/big-12-has-a-pulse-for-now.html#ixzz0qYO6fO2o

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« Reply #2706 on: June 11, 2010, 09:12:24 AM »
A couple of weeks ago would have been a perfect time to go into a coma then wake up when all of this is done. (I'd probably wake up from my coma the exact same way as Steven Seagal in Hard to Kill all badassy)

Agreed.  This trickle of news is killing me.
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« Reply #2707 on: June 11, 2010, 09:13:31 AM »
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Some hopeful news came out of Manhattan, with a source close to the K-State athletic department saying the Pac-10 could be interested in both Kansas and Kansas State in the scenario that it misses out on some of the teams it is reportedly courting
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« Reply #2708 on: June 11, 2010, 09:15:11 AM »
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ChipBrownOB    If Texas A&M takes too long to join others from B12 South in Pac-10, the Aggies could be "put on the clock" and lose invite to Utah or KU.


 :kugoalposts: hey look a mention for them...might help their self-esteem/validation issues a little

STFU :flush:  I would do anything to have a mention.  ANYTHING.

of course.   they've just been more vocal about their need for it.

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« Reply #2709 on: June 11, 2010, 09:16:14 AM »
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/10/2008282/big-12-has-a-pulse-for-now.html

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Some hopeful news came out of Manhattan, with a source close to the K-State athletic department saying the Pac-10 could be interested in both Kansas and Kansas State in the scenario that it misses out on some of the teams it is reportedly courting

HOPE


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« Reply #2710 on: June 11, 2010, 09:16:36 AM »
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/10/2008282/big-12-has-a-pulse-for-now.html

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Some hopeful news came out of Manhattan, with a source close to the K-State athletic department saying the Pac-10 could be interested in both Kansas and Kansas State in the scenario that it misses out on some of the teams it is reportedly courting


Yeah, interested in crushing our dreams.

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« Reply #2711 on: June 11, 2010, 09:18:21 AM »
I gotta say....the meltdowning has been top notch and the best is yet to come....  :users:
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« Reply #2712 on: June 11, 2010, 09:19:24 AM »


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KCTV5 Exclusive: Big 12 Says Stay For The Money
Television Network Wants Big 12 For Big 12/Pac-10 Network

POSTED: 7:41 am CDT June 11, 2010
UPDATED: 8:46 am CDT June 11, 2010
DALLAS, Tex -- A highly-placed source tells KCTV5 that the head of a television network has again told Big 12 officials they would like to form a Big 12-Pac-10 Network and that the conference's next television deal is lucrative enough to keep remaining Big 12 teams together.

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe is using the potential contract to try and urge the remaining universities in the conference to stay together.

Oklahoma Athletic Director Joe Castiglione told the Oklahoma City Daily Oklahoman, "We have a very, very strong sense from our television partners that the revenue stream would be very, very good going forward. Better than where we are today.”

The current Big 12 television contract is a seven-year contract through 2016 with ABC that pays them $480 million, and the Fox Sports Network contract pays them $78 million and ends in 2012.

In 2008, the SEC signed a 12-year, $2.25 billion deal with ESPN/ABC and has a 15-year, $825 million agreement with CBS. Each SEC's school reportedly receives around $15-17 million per year from the television contracts.

Th Big Ten has a 10-year, $1 billion deal with ESPN/ABC and a 25-year, $2.8 billion deal with the Big Ten Network. Fox Sports owns a 49 percent stake in the Big Ten network and would likely want a similar deal with the Big 12 and Pac-10, KCTV5's sources said.

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« Reply #2713 on: June 11, 2010, 09:19:31 AM »
http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/10/2008282/big-12-has-a-pulse-for-now.html

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Some hopeful news came out of Manhattan, with a source close to the K-State athletic department saying the Pac-10 could be interested in both Kansas and Kansas State in the scenario that it misses out on some of the teams it is reportedly courting


Yeah, interested in crushing our dreams.
The Big East and Mountain West conferences could also be possibilities, but both are currently considered long shots, two sources close to the department said

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/10/2008282/big-12-has-a-pulse-for-now.html#ixzz0qYPfsJOE

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« Reply #2714 on: June 11, 2010, 09:23:20 AM »
ETP's conference predictor measurements:

Big 12 - 50%
MWC - 35% -  :crossfingers:
Big East - 10%
PAC-10 - 4%
SEC - 1%
 
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« Reply #2715 on: June 11, 2010, 09:25:48 AM »
daris conference predictor measurements:

Big 12 - 25%
MWC - 55% -
Big East - 10%
PAC-10 - 5%
SEC - 5%

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« Reply #2716 on: June 11, 2010, 09:26:07 AM »
I hope that those who are saying run to the MWC are ready to increase their Ahearn Donations dramatically.  Because that's what it's going to take to overcome the $4 to $7 million dollar hit that K-State will take based on TV revenue, non automatic BCS bid for the conference and bad bowl tie-ins.

Based on todays' numbers that's a 10% to 20% drop in K-State's athletic budget.  

Goodbye Frank . . . hello SLTH, kiss any chance of landing Gary Patterson or any coach like him goodbye.  

 
i'm not increasing crap.
those of you who have been chugging the koolaid need to realize that we've been midmajor since before we joined the b12.  our teams have been acting like it for the past 20+ years, now it's time that our fans started to.


Well K-State may have been acting like a mid major from a dumbass management perspective, but K-State outspends most mid majors by $10 to $15 million dollars a year on athletics and in most cases less than 50% of that spending gap comes from bowl revenue/tv revenue.   The majority of that gap is generated by ticket sales and contributions.   Setting some the outliers aside, if K-State is back up in the $11 to $12 million dollar per year contribution range, that is more than many major conference schools get per year in contributions and most mid majors are 1/3 of that at best.   The only "mid major" that is up with K-State on expenditures that I've seen is TCU.    So yeah, I completely agree that from a management perspective K-State has been extremely amateurish, but I am not with you on the rest.    

I'm saying that as we officially assume the role of a mid major, our contributions should do the same.  
Our university and athletic dept management has been mid major.
Our teams, for the most part, have been mid major (sometimes, at best).
The only puzzle piece that hasn't been mid major is our fanbase ->  we've convinced ourselves that we belong with the big boys so we support our team/university as best we can, hence the donations/contribution levels that you pointed out.


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« Reply #2717 on: June 11, 2010, 09:26:37 AM »
daris conference predictor measurements:

Big 12 - 25%
MWC - 55% -
Big East - 10%
PAC-10 - 5%
SEC - 5%

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« Reply #2718 on: June 11, 2010, 09:27:30 AM »
I hope that those who are saying run to the MWC are ready to increase their Ahearn Donations dramatically.  Because that's what it's going to take to overcome the $4 to $7 million dollar hit that K-State will take based on TV revenue, non automatic BCS bid for the conference and bad bowl tie-ins.

Based on todays' numbers that's a 10% to 20% drop in K-State's athletic budget.  

Goodbye Frank . . . hello SLTH, kiss any chance of landing Gary Patterson or any coach like him goodbye.  

 
i'm not increasing crap.
those of you who have been chugging the koolaid need to realize that we've been midmajor since before we joined the b12.  our teams have been acting like it for the past 20+ years, now it's time that our fans started to.


Well K-State may have been acting like a mid major from a dumbass management perspective, but K-State outspends most mid majors by $10 to $15 million dollars a year on athletics and in most cases less than 50% of that spending gap comes from bowl revenue/tv revenue.   The majority of that gap is generated by ticket sales and contributions.   Setting some the outliers aside, if K-State is back up in the $11 to $12 million dollar per year contribution range, that is more than many major conference schools get per year in contributions and most mid majors are 1/3 of that at best.   The only "mid major" that is up with K-State on expenditures that I've seen is TCU.    So yeah, I completely agree that from a management perspective K-State has been extremely amateurish, but I am not with you on the rest.    

I'm saying that as we officially assume the role of a mid major, our contributions should do the same.  
Our university and athletic dept management has been mid major.
Our teams, for the most part, have been mid major (sometimes, at best).
The only puzzle piece that hasn't been mid major is our fanbase ->  we've convinced ourselves that we belong with the big boys so we support our team/university as best we can, hence the donations/contribution levels that you pointed out.

You play the "too cool for school" role a little too hard clams . . . I understand though.

And yeah, we take the mid major, contributions stay the same we take a $4 to $7 million dollar hit . . . and even though you won't admit it you'll be pissed off when we Frank is gone and 2 SLTH nobodies are coaching football and basketball.


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« Reply #2720 on: June 11, 2010, 09:38:06 AM »
Jesus christ if MU gets a Big 10 invite today I'm going to lose my crap.

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« Reply #2721 on: June 11, 2010, 09:39:19 AM »
the mwc really does make sense though. in a few years we'll get left out of all the big conference type stuff and then us and the rest of the mwc can sit around and talk about how we're totally just as good as the acc football champ and how mad it makes us that we don't get to play in their playoffs and whatever and stuff. i mean guys, it's like being in a conference with ten other kstates. imagine the anger.

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« Reply #2722 on: June 11, 2010, 09:42:05 AM »
Any chance us, UNLV and SDSU could join the Big East?

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« Reply #2723 on: June 11, 2010, 09:42:50 AM »
Any chance us, UNLV and SDSU could join the Big East?

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« Reply #2724 on: June 11, 2010, 09:43:29 AM »
Any chance us, UNLV and SDSU could join the Big East?

rename it the Awesome Katpak Conference?