Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[OregonSmock]

KU at least has a nationally recognized basketball program

Get it through your head, moonbeams, absolutely nobody gives a crap about your basketball program.

Not true.   KU's basketball program brings in tons of revenue, and the NCAA tournament makes up 98% of the NCAA's revenue.  The truth is that no one gives a sh*t about K-State, because your university brings absolutely NOTHING to the table. 

Lame again Ben, EMAW brings athletic and academic programs that UK doesn't have. Another thing, every University has their 15 minutes of fame and rich alumni and people that give a sh*t. Quit acting like UK is this "big brother" in the state.

KU has academic programs that K-State doesn't have as well, like a law school and a medical school for example.  As I've already pointed out, KU is a part of the AAU.  K-State isn't.  KU was also ranked #11 nationally in athletic revenue just this past year.  KU's athletic budget is nearly twice the size of K-State's.  Whether you like it or not, K-State is the little brother in this state.  K-State better hope that the Kansas Board of Regents requires KU to be in the same conference, or else all bets are off.  

What bets are off, Ben?  KU not getting invited to the Big 10 or SEC.

KU's predicatment is virtually the same as ours at this point in time, you dumbass.

I'm specifically talking about the proposed Pac 10/Big 12 realignment.  Someone is going to get left out in that scenario.  Right now the schools that are getting left off of the list are schools like Iowa State, Texas Tech, Washington State, Baylor, and K-State. 

[EMAWzified]

And entirely separate from conference realignment. That's entirely driven by football revenue. capiche.

[CNS]

The NCAA tournament makes up 98% of the NCAA's revenue... not the school's revenue, not the conference's revenue.  The NCAA.  The NCAA is a separate entity from the BCS. 

Exactly.

Now, which brings in more rev for the schools?  That is the one that conferences will care about when talking about redefining boundaries.  None will give a crap about KU being a good BB team and that BB funds 98% of the NCAA's budget.

[wabash909]

KU at least has a nationally recognized basketball program

Get it through your head, moonbeams, absolutely nobody gives a crap about your basketball program.

Not true.   KU's basketball program brings in tons of revenue, and the NCAA tournament makes up 98% of the NCAA's revenue.  The truth is that no one gives a sh*t about K-State, because your university brings absolutely NOTHING to the table. 

Lame again Ben, EMAW brings athletic and academic programs that UK doesn't have. Another thing, every University has their 15 minutes of fame and rich alumni and people that give a sh*t. Quit acting like UK is this "big brother" in the state.

KU has academic programs that K-State doesn't have as well, like a law school and a medical school for example.  As I've already pointed out, KU is a part of the AAU.  K-State isn't.  KU was also ranked #11 nationally in athletic revenue just this past year.  KU's athletic budget is nearly twice the size of K-State's.  Whether you like it or not, K-State is the little brother in this state.  K-State better hope that the Kansas Board of Regents requires KU to be in the same conference, or else all bets are off.  

What bets are off, Ben?  KU not getting invited to the Big 10 or SEC.

KU's predicatment is virtually the same as ours at this point in time, you dumbass.

I'm specifically talking about the proposed Pac 10/Big 12 realignment.  Someone is going to get left out in that scenario.  Right now the schools that are getting left off of the list are schools like Iowa State, Texas Tech, Washington State, Baylor, and K-State. 

K-State is the best fit of the five you listed and I haven't seen any prognostication that doesn't concur.




  

[CNS]

KU at least has a nationally recognized basketball program

Get it through your head, moonbeams, absolutely nobody gives a crap about your basketball program.

Not true.   KU's basketball program brings in tons of revenue, and the NCAA tournament makes up 98% of the NCAA's revenue.  The truth is that no one gives a sh*t about K-State, because your university brings absolutely NOTHING to the table. 

Lame again Ben, EMAW brings athletic and academic programs that UK doesn't have. Another thing, every University has their 15 minutes of fame and rich alumni and people that give a sh*t. Quit acting like UK is this "big brother" in the state.

KU has academic programs that K-State doesn't have as well, like a law school and a medical school for example.  As I've already pointed out, KU is a part of the AAU.  K-State isn't.  KU was also ranked #11 nationally in athletic revenue just this past year.  KU's athletic budget is nearly twice the size of K-State's.  Whether you like it or not, K-State is the little brother in this state.  K-State better hope that the Kansas Board of Regents requires KU to be in the same conference, or else all bets are off.  

What bets are off, Ben?  KU not getting invited to the Big 10 or SEC.

KU's predicatment is virtually the same as ours at this point in time, you dumbass.

I'm specifically talking about the proposed Pac 10/Big 12 realignment.  Someone is going to get left out in that scenario.  Right now the schools that are getting left off of the list are schools like Iowa State, Texas Tech, Washington State, Baylor, and K-State. 

WSU will not be left out of any conf that has "PAC 10" anywhere in it's abbreviation.

They have a vote in what happens in their PAC 10.  They are not going to vote themselves off the island.

[EMAWzified]

Right now the schools that are getting left off of the list are schools like Iowa State, Texas Tech, Washington State, Baylor, and K-State. 

In the phognet fantasy, yes. 

[ew2x4]

Not that KSU is poor academically, they just don't have the standard prestigious grad programs that propel them to the next level. The Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) thing is to think it actually matters in the Pac-10. This is all about money. In that case, KU and KSU bring in fairly low numbers for TV. Sure, KU has a successful BB program, but this isn't about BB. This is solely about Football. In that case, KU and KSU are on fairly even playing ground. And that ground sucks. Nobody outside of the Big XII area knows the difference between the 2 schools. Quit fooling yourself Ben.

[TheMadCatter]

I hope we drag KU down to the non-BCS Mountain West with us. Would be glorious to see KU fans' anger and resentment towards that move.

[OK_Cat]

Love the BMW denial.  KU is no different than KSU and ISU as far as national recognition goes, we're all hick schools and expendable. 

See you in the MWC, Beems!

[ew2x4]

How well would a 20 team conference fair? Can you imagine the BB tourney? The West at the staple center, East at the Ford. Get together for the last 2 rounds at the Pepsi Center. Amazing.

[catzacker]

KU at least has a nationally recognized basketball program

Get it through your head, moonbeams, absolutely nobody gives a crap about your basketball program.

Not true.   KU's basketball program brings in tons of revenue, and the NCAA tournament makes up 98% of the NCAA's revenue.  The truth is that no one gives a sh*t about K-State, because your university brings absolutely NOTHING to the table. 

I don't know if you know this, but the NCAA already struck a deal for its future TV package for basketball without putting in writing that KU be part of the tournamnet every year.  i don't know why the 98% stat is relevant at all when talking about ku and what it brings to the table.  It wasn't like CBS was saying "look, if we're going to commit a billion dollars we better make sure that we get all the tv sets in lawrence, ks.  And make sure that sh*t is in writing"

these conference deals are about football and tv sets.  that's it. ku doesn't really offer much in either.   if your point is that it offers more than ksu, then you're right, and no one will argue, but that's like arguing over who is less Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  at the end of the day, you're still Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

[JD Thundercat]

Personal feelings here, but if Beems is right (I know, it would be a first) but I really wouldn't be all that disappointed. KU would join the Pac-10/Big12 superconference and immediately become the tiniest fish in the pond (even KU's basketball tradition isn't as prestigious in a conference with UCLA, Arizona, Cal, Washington etc. compared to the Big 12) and KSU could join a new souped up MWC. In this format no smaller conference school are cherry picked so the MWC (or possibly even C-USA) has the ability to step up as a BCS conference with the right mix of schools and KSU would become one of the top dogs in that conference.

Here's my new Mountain West
West
Boise St.
BYU
Fresno St.
Nevada
San Diego St.
UNLV
Utah
Utah St.

East
Air Force
Baylor
Colorado St.
KSU
New Mexico
TCU
Texas Tech
Wyoming

My "alternates" in case someone from that group gets picked up somewhere else: UTEP, New Mexico St., Memphis, SMU, and Houston

[Pete]

KU at least has a nationally recognized basketball program

Get it through your head, moonbeams, absolutely nobody gives a crap about your basketball program.

Not true.   KU's basketball program brings in tons of revenue, and the NCAA tournament makes up 98% of the NCAA's revenue.  The truth is that no one gives a sh*t about K-State, because your university brings absolutely NOTHING to the table. 

I don't know if you know this, but the NCAA already struck a deal for its future TV package for basketball without putting in writing that KU be part of the tournamnet every year.  i don't know why the 98% stat is relevant at all when talking about ku and what it brings to the table.  It wasn't like CBS was saying "look, if we're going to commit a billion dollars we better make sure that we get all the tv sets in lawrence, ks.  And make sure that sh*t is in writing"

these conference deals are about football and tv sets.  that's it. ku doesn't really offer much in either.   if your point is that it offers more than ksu, then you're right, and no one will argue, but that's like arguing over who is less Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  at the end of the day, you're still Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

This.  And, thank you.  Let's move on from the 'Tard basketball conversation to trying to figure out how we are mutually mumped in the ass.

[Pete]

Personal feelings here, but if Beems is right (I know, it would be a first) but I really wouldn't be all that disappointed. KU would join the Pac-10/Big12 superconference and immediately become the tiniest fish in the pond (even KU's basketball tradition isn't as prestigious in a conference with UCLA, Arizona, Cal, Washington etc. compared to the Big 12) and KSU could join a new souped up MWC. In this format no smaller conference school are cherry picked so the MWC (or possibly even C-USA) has the ability to step up as a BCS conference with the right mix of schools and KSU would become one of the top dogs in that conference.

Here's my new Mountain West
West
Boise St.
BYU
Fresno St.
Nevada
San Diego St.
UNLV
Utah
Utah St.

East
Air Force
Baylor
Colorado St.
KSU
New Mexico
TCU
Texas Tech
Wyoming

My "alternates" in case someone from that group gets picked up somewhere else: UTEP, New Mexico St., Memphis, SMU, and Houston

If that happens, I will leave and found the new goEMAJ.  You pathetic fucks can sit around and talk mid-major football, but I'll bet on the first smoking ship out of town (John Currie will be sitting right beside me).

[TheMadCatter]

Personal feelings here, but if Beems is right (I know, it would be a first) but I really wouldn't be all that disappointed. KU would join the Pac-10/Big12 superconference and immediately become the tiniest fish in the pond (even KU's basketball tradition isn't as prestigious in a conference with UCLA, Arizona, Cal, Washington etc. compared to the Big 12) and KSU could join a new souped up MWC. In this format no smaller conference school are cherry picked so the MWC (or possibly even C-USA) has the ability to step up as a BCS conference with the right mix of schools and KSU would become one of the top dogs in that conference.

Here's my new Mountain West
West
Boise St.
BYU
Fresno St.
Nevada
San Diego St.
UNLV
Utah
Utah St.

East
Air Force
Baylor
Colorado St.
KSU
New Mexico
TCU
Texas Tech
Wyoming

My "alternates" in case someone from that group gets picked up somewhere else: UTEP, New Mexico St., Memphis, SMU, and Houston

If that happens, I will leave and found the new goEMAJ.  You pathetic fracks can sit around and talk mid-major football, but I'll bet on the first smoking ship out of town (John Currie will be sitting right beside me).

Even if it's a BCS conference?

[Pete]

Personal feelings here, but if Beems is right (I know, it would be a first) but I really wouldn't be all that disappointed. KU would join the Pac-10/Big12 superconference and immediately become the tiniest fish in the pond (even KU's basketball tradition isn't as prestigious in a conference with UCLA, Arizona, Cal, Washington etc. compared to the Big 12) and KSU could join a new souped up MWC. In this format no smaller conference school are cherry picked so the MWC (or possibly even C-USA) has the ability to step up as a BCS conference with the right mix of schools and KSU would become one of the top dogs in that conference.

Here's my new Mountain West
West
Boise St.
BYU
Fresno St.
Nevada
San Diego St.
UNLV
Utah
Utah St.

East
Air Force
Baylor
Colorado St.
KSU
New Mexico
TCU
Texas Tech
Wyoming

My "alternates" in case someone from that group gets picked up somewhere else: UTEP, New Mexico St., Memphis, SMU, and Houston

If that happens, I will leave and found the new goEMAJ.  You pathetic fracks can sit around and talk mid-major football, but I'll bet on the first smoking ship out of town (John Currie will be sitting right beside me).

Even if it's a BCS conference?

THAT is not a BCS conference.

[kcchiefdav]

The NCAA tournament makes up 98% of the NCAA's revenue... not the school's revenue, not the conference's revenue.  The NCAA.  The NCAA is a separate entity from the BCS. 

Why even throw that stat out? The NCAA(via their BBall tourney) won't lose any revenue if KU is not in a major conference...and even they would, the TV contracts for the NCAA are signed. Also, quoting the amount of money that the KU AD makes is equally irrelevant. The AD revenue is cool beans for the school, but why would that school's conference (or future conference) care? And finally your keep flashing your AAU badge as if it means you're an Ivy League school, but look up the list of schools and you'll find that it's not nearly the accomplishment you think it is. KU has been in the AAU since 1909...KU was a one room school house in 1909 so it's not like the school is in there for any other reason than existing.

[Pete]

Here's how you become a BCS conference (current rules)  http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=5126859

BCS Future Automatic Qualification Standards

Under the terms of the agreements with the bowls and television rightsholder, the ACC, Big East, Big 10, Big 12, Pac-10 and SEC will have annual automatic qualification for their champions for the 2010-11, 2011-12, 2012-13 and 2013-14 seasons.

Results from the 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 regular seasons will be evaluated to determine whether a seventh conference earns automatic qualification for the 2012-13 and 2013-14 bowl games. The process is as follows:

*The evaluation includes the following for each conference (1) the ranking of the highest-ranked team in the final BCS Standings each year (if a conference does not place a team in the final BCS Standings, then its highest-ranked team is determined by the conference member that has the highest average ranking in the computer rankings used in the BCS Standings), (2) the final regular-season rankings of all conference teams in the computer rankings used by the BCS each year, and (3) the number of teams in the top 25 of the final BCS Standings each year, with adjustments to account for differences in the number of members of each conference.

A conference will become the seventh automatic qualifier if it finishes among the top six conferences in both No. 1 and No. 2 and if its ranking in No. 3 is equal to or greater than 50 percent of the conference with the highest ranking in No. 3.

*Further, a conference will be eligible to apply to the Presidential Oversight Committee for an exemption if it finishes among the top six in both No. 1 and No. 2 and if its ranking in No. 3 is equal to or greater than 33.3 percent of the conference with the highest ranking in No. 3, OR

If it finishes among the top seven in either No. 1 or No. 2 and among the top five in the other and if its ranking in No. 3 is equal to or greater than 33.3 percent of the conference with the highest ranking in No. 3.

No. 3 above, the "Top 25 Performance Rating," will be calculated as follows: Points will be awarded to the conferences based on their teams' finishes in the top 25 of the final BCS Standings each year. Points will be awarded as follows:

Teams finishing 1-6: 4 points for each team

Teams finishing 7-12: 3 points for each team

Teams finishing 13-18: 2 points for each team

Teams finishing 19-25: 1 point for each team

The point totals will be adjusted to account for the size of the conference, as follows:

Conference membership | Adjustment

12 or more members | no adjustment

10 or 11 members | points increased by 12.5 percent

9 or fewer members | points increased by 25 percent

*The computations will be made according to the conference's membership on Dec. 4, 2011.

The Mountain West couldn't get in last year. Obviously the requirements related to "Top [X] conferences" would change if the total number of "power" conferences is reduced, but the reason for making these goals elusive will be even more meaningful and the goals more lofty.  "Haves" hate sharing with "Nots."  We are a "Not."  I understand that this is very difficult for many of our more conservative leaning fans to come to grips with.

[TheMadCatter]

I don't want to be a mid-major, damnit!

 

[JD Thundercat]

Personal feelings here, but if Beems is right (I know, it would be a first) but I really wouldn't be all that disappointed. KU would join the Pac-10/Big12 superconference and immediately become the tiniest fish in the pond (even KU's basketball tradition isn't as prestigious in a conference with UCLA, Arizona, Cal, Washington etc. compared to the Big 12) and KSU could join a new souped up MWC. In this format no smaller conference school are cherry picked so the MWC (or possibly even C-USA) has the ability to step up as a BCS conference with the right mix of schools and KSU would become one of the top dogs in that conference.

Here's my new Mountain West
West
Boise St.
BYU
Fresno St.
Nevada
San Diego St.
UNLV
Utah
Utah St.

East
Air Force
Baylor
Colorado St.
KSU
New Mexico
TCU
Texas Tech
Wyoming

My "alternates" in case someone from that group gets picked up somewhere else: UTEP, New Mexico St., Memphis, SMU, and Houston

If that happens, I will leave and found the new goEMAJ.  You pathetic fracks can sit around and talk mid-major football, but I'll bet on the first smoking ship out of town (John Currie will be sitting right beside me).

Even if it's a BCS conference?

THAT is not a BCS conference.

That may not be a BCS conference, but IF KSU gets left out (again, I don't think think Beems is right, but hypothetically speaking) this is not a bad conference and (step above mid-major, step below BCS like the MWC and A10 are now) and KSU would easily be one of the top dogs. Again, this is doomsday scenario and it really doesn't look to bad to me. But maybe if it makes you feel better we can substitute BYU, Utah, and TCU for Missouri St., Wichita St., and Texas St.

[Pete]

Personal feelings here, but if Beems is right (I know, it would be a first) but I really wouldn't be all that disappointed. KU would join the Pac-10/Big12 superconference and immediately become the tiniest fish in the pond (even KU's basketball tradition isn't as prestigious in a conference with UCLA, Arizona, Cal, Washington etc. compared to the Big 12) and KSU could join a new souped up MWC. In this format no smaller conference school are cherry picked so the MWC (or possibly even C-USA) has the ability to step up as a BCS conference with the right mix of schools and KSU would become one of the top dogs in that conference.

Here's my new Mountain West
West
Boise St.
BYU
Fresno St.
Nevada
San Diego St.
UNLV
Utah
Utah St.

East
Air Force
Baylor
Colorado St.
KSU
New Mexico
TCU
Texas Tech
Wyoming

My "alternates" in case someone from that group gets picked up somewhere else: UTEP, New Mexico St., Memphis, SMU, and Houston

If that happens, I will leave and found the new goEMAJ.  You pathetic fracks can sit around and talk mid-major football, but I'll bet on the first smoking ship out of town (John Currie will be sitting right beside me).

Even if it's a BCS conference?

THAT is not a BCS conference.

That may not be a BCS conference, but IF KSU gets left out (again, I don't think think Beems is right, but hypothetically speaking) this is not a bad conference and (step above mid-major, step below BCS like the MWC and A10 are now) and KSU would easily be one of the top dogs. Again, this is doomsday scenario and it really doesn't look to bad to me. But maybe if it makes you feel better we can substitute BYU, Utah, and TCU for Missouri St., Wichita St., and Texas St.

Let me work backwards on this abortion....

It doesn't make me feel better to not have Utah, but if the Pac-10 isn't stupid, they'll grab Utah.  No one wants BYU because they are a pain in ass to deal with, as Dax stated above.

If not being a BCS conference doesn't look "that bad to you," then you don't have an appreciation of what we were like in 1989.  If we are not in a BCS conference, our enrollment will fall through the floor.   Our athletic budget will, over night, will shirk by an alarming rate (you going to pay $1000 to rough ridin' PARK to watch a mid major play football?  I'm not).   Our recruiting will vaporize.  And that's just football.   We'll lose Frank, and the chance of getting anyone else of consequence.  We'll probably hire Steve Henson as our next basketball coach.

The Doomsday scenario isn't just plausible, it's probable. 

Now, excuse me while I go lube up my rectum and beg Texas to "love me" some more.

[The42Yardstick]

Pete, I'm offended. I talk about low-major football all the time

[JD Thundercat]

Personal feelings here, but if Beems is right (I know, it would be a first) but I really wouldn't be all that disappointed. KU would join the Pac-10/Big12 superconference and immediately become the tiniest fish in the pond (even KU's basketball tradition isn't as prestigious in a conference with UCLA, Arizona, Cal, Washington etc. compared to the Big 12) and KSU could join a new souped up MWC. In this format no smaller conference school are cherry picked so the MWC (or possibly even C-USA) has the ability to step up as a BCS conference with the right mix of schools and KSU would become one of the top dogs in that conference.

Here's my new Mountain West
West
Boise St.
BYU
Fresno St.
Nevada
San Diego St.
UNLV
Utah
Utah St.

East
Air Force
Baylor
Colorado St.
KSU
New Mexico
TCU
Texas Tech
Wyoming

My "alternates" in case someone from that group gets picked up somewhere else: UTEP, New Mexico St., Memphis, SMU, and Houston

If that happens, I will leave and found the new goEMAJ.  You pathetic fracks can sit around and talk mid-major football, but I'll bet on the first smoking ship out of town (John Currie will be sitting right beside me).

Even if it's a BCS conference?

THAT is not a BCS conference.

That may not be a BCS conference, but IF KSU gets left out (again, I don't think think Beems is right, but hypothetically speaking) this is not a bad conference and (step above mid-major, step below BCS like the MWC and A10 are now) and KSU would easily be one of the top dogs. Again, this is doomsday scenario and it really doesn't look to bad to me. But maybe if it makes you feel better we can substitute BYU, Utah, and TCU for Missouri St., Wichita St., and Texas St.

Let me work backwards on this abortion....

It doesn't make me feel better to not have Utah, but if the Pac-10 isn't stupid, they'll grab Utah.  No one wants BYU because they are a pain in ass to deal with, as Dax stated above.

If not being a BCS conference doesn't look "that bad to you," then you don't have an appreciation of what we were like in 1989.  If we are not in a BCS conference, our enrollment will fall through the floor.   Our athletic budget will, over night, will shirk by an alarming rate (you going to pay $1000 to fracking PARK to watch a mid major play football?  I'm not).   Our recruiting will vaporize.  And that's just football.   We'll lose Frank, and the chance of getting anyone else of consequence.  We'll probably hire Steve Henson as our next basketball coach.

The Doomsday scenario isn't just plausible, it's probable. 

Now, excuse me while I go lube up my rectum and beg Texas to "love me" some more.

Utah doesn't really offer anything we don't. And if the current sky is falling scenario has the Big 12 and Pac10 merging and leaving out a few schools then I don't think they're going to be picking up schools like Utah.

[The42Yardstick]

Utah doesn't really offer anything we don't.

Salt Lake City

[Skipper44]

I hate to add any fuel to BMW's fire, but I can see the BCS conferences taking back the basketball tournament from the NCAA.  The BCS schools are the biggest contributors to the ~$700 million a year CBS pays the NCAA.  

If you are a BCS school why let the old white dudes in Indy keep all that cash?  

If it ends up four 16 team superconferences that is a pretty tidy end of the year tournament that would only be missing a few big names (Nova, Gtown, etc).