Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[steve dave]

LHC Bill Snyder ........ in favor or 9 conference games and 3 non-con.

HAHAHAHA, what a rough ridin' liar (unless he meant the rest of the league but not himself)

Bill isn't in favor of 9.  You read that wrong.

ok, thanks for clarifying

[Pete]

LHC Bill Snyder ........ in favor or 9 conference games and 3 non-con.

HAHAHAHA, what a rough ridin' liar (unless he meant the rest of the league but not himself)

That's exactly what he meant.

Bill was saying he is in the minority.  He wants 8 conference games, 2 divisions and a conference championship game.  He said that over 50% of the conference disagrees with him.

[steve dave]

anyone in the conference saying that they don't want a championship game is lying

[Rage Against the McKee]

LHC Bill Snyder ........ in favor or 9 conference games and 3 non-con.

HAHAHAHA, what a rough ridin' liar (unless he meant the rest of the league but not himself)

That's exactly what he meant.

Bill was saying he is in the minority.  He wants 8 conference games, 2 divisions and a conference championship game.  He said that over 50% of the conference disagrees with him.

Yeah, that's what I meant when I said it's what he meant.

[WildcatNkilt]

Yea I really don't understand why they don't want a conference championship. 

[steve dave]

Yea I really don't understand why they don't want a conference championship.

anyone saying they don't is just pretending until the all clear horn sounds and they can discuss conference expansion

[Pete]

Yea I really don't understand why they don't want a conference championship.

If I were Texas I wouldn't want one.  Name one thing that Texas gets, that it doesn't already have, by adding a championship game. 

[steve dave]

Yea I really don't understand why they don't want a conference championship.

If I were Texas I wouldn't want one.  Name one thing that Texas gets, that it doesn't already have, by adding a championship game.

revenue from one more prime time nationally televised game

[WildcatNkilt]

Yea I really don't understand why they don't want a conference championship.

If I were Texas I wouldn't want one.  Name one thing that Texas gets, that it doesn't already have, by adding a championship game.

That is one team.  Add OU to that and it is 2.  Why would any other Big 12 team not want a championship?  Texas and OU should be getting outvoted, but currently have the majority. 

[Ira Hayes]

Ira makes a good point by throwing out all other possibilities but his own.  hard to refute that Pete.

steve dave falsely assumes that I threw out all other possibilities before making my declarations of truth. I considered them all before announcing my conclusions.

Pete still thinks the ACC is a real conference whose opinion may have even a minor affect on the future of college football's postseason. LOL

[Pete]

Yea I really don't understand why they don't want a conference championship.

If I were Texas I wouldn't want one.  Name one thing that Texas gets, that it doesn't already have, by adding a championship game.

That is one team.  Add OU to that and it is 2.  Why would any other Big 12 team not want a championship?  Texas and OU should be getting outvoted, but currently have the majority.

I agree with you, but it's possible for OU to tell OSU "Do what we say, and we'll always get your back (take you with us if we ever leave).  Same for UT and Tech, for that matter.

[Fuktard]

The big 10 is playing coy because they know the big 12 is very fragile and on the verge of collapse.  If they can play hard ball long enough, they will add OU and Texas to their incredibly smug conference.

[steve dave]

The big 10 is playing coy because they know the big 12 is very fragile and on the verge of collapse.  If they can play hard ball long enough, they will add OU and Texas to their incredibly smug conference.

go sit in the corner with ira

[steve dave]

also, never refer to the Big 10 as anything other than the Big 10. 

[Ira Hayes]

The big 10 is playing coy because they know the big 12 is very fragile and on the verge of collapse.  If they can play hard ball long enough, they will add OU and Texas to their incredibly smug conference.

go sit in the corner with ira

No way I'm going to sit in the corner with that kind of idiocy.

Go sit in the other corner with steve dave.

[sonofdaxjones]

Again, why would Texas want to be anywhere else but the Big 12?   Why would OU want to anywhere else?  To make it that much harder on themselves, to give up tons of power?

Do I have to use my David Stern talking to the late Red Auerbach about raising the baskets example again?

[Dugout DickStone]

Deloss won't go to the Big 10 in a million years unless he is AD at KSU and they invite KSU.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Yea I really don't understand why they don't want a conference championship.

If I were Texas I wouldn't want one.  Name one thing that Texas gets, that it doesn't already have, by adding a championship game.

That is one team.  Add OU to that and it is 2.  Why would any other Big 12 team not want a championship?  Texas and OU should be getting outvoted, but currently have the majority.

I agree with you, but it's possible for OU to tell OSU "Do what we say, and we'll always get your back (take you with us if we ever leave).  Same for UT and Tech, for that matter.

Gundy was lobbying for a round robin with no championship game when we had 12 teams. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he wants to stay at 10 teams with no championship.

[SlickRikZ]

Ira makes a good point by throwing out all other possibilities but his own.  hard to refute that Pete.

steve dave falsely assumes that I threw out all other possibilities before making my declarations of truth. I considered them all before announcing my conclusions.

Pete still thinks the ACC is a real conference whose opinion may have even a minor affect on the future of college football's postseason. LOL

We've moved past this already... Try to keep up.

[Ira Hayes]

Ira makes a good point by throwing out all other possibilities but his own.  hard to refute that Pete.

steve dave falsely assumes that I threw out all other possibilities before making my declarations of truth. I considered them all before announcing my conclusions.

Pete still thinks the ACC is a real conference whose opinion may have even a minor affect on the future of college football's postseason. LOL

We've moved past this already... Try to keep up.

Great first post!

[SlickRikZ]

Ira makes a good point by throwing out all other possibilities but his own.  hard to refute that Pete.

steve dave falsely assumes that I threw out all other possibilities before making my declarations of truth. I considered them all before announcing my conclusions.

Pete still thinks the ACC is a real conference whose opinion may have even a minor affect on the future of college football's postseason. LOL

We've moved past this already... Try to keep up.

Great first post!

Gotta start somewhere.

[TheHamburglar]

Yea I really don't understand why they don't want a conference championship.

-The schools that we want to add don't want to be in a division with KU, KSU, ISU, & WVU
-The Texas/Oklahoma schools don't want to be split up and have to have some screwed up scheduling scheme to keep playing each other
-Add to the 2 points above that in any division split it would be very difficult to have UT/OU/FSU/Clem/ND (pipe dream) consistantly playing eachother without 1 loaded division and 1 weak division
-The only way to keep the current conference leaders (OU/UT) happy and make the league set-up so that FSU/Clem/ND (pipe dream) would come is with the no-division plan
-Bonus: no last week game to greatly damage the losers chance of being in the top 4.  This set up is greatly advantagous if they go with a 3-and-1 playoff model where most other conferences will have their 2nd best team have a loss on Dec. 4th. 

The more I think about it as a business move for the conference, its rough ridin' genius if they go with the 3-and-1 model and maybe the only way we get FSU.  If we want to chase the pipe dream of a 12-team conference with ND, this is by far the best option we have at landing them.  If UT is still pushing/hoping that 0.01% chance it happens, this talk bumps it to a 0.03% chance.  Falls under the "the best business move is to keep the cash cow happy" to keep talking about it if UT wants to talk about it. 

[steve dave]

good post hamburg

[Pete]

Snyder further says, on KK's show, that even if we move to 12 teams, that the majority of schools still do NOT want divisions or a championship game.

[steve dave]

if they did that you are going to have disputed conference champions from time to time.  would both qualify as conference champions under the proposed champions only playoff deal?