Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[Fuktard]

Is 16 a worse number then 14 if by some miracle ND does come on as a full member down the line? 

Not necessarily. 

There's an interesting thought on shaggybevo about 4 pods of 4 teams with two rotating designated rivalry games every year.  E.g., Team A from Pod 1 plays Pod 1 teams (3 games), Pod 2 (4 games), Rival B from Pod 3 (1 game) and Rival C from Pod 4 (1 game). 

In real terms assume that each Pod has an "anchor" team (FSU, TX, ND, OU) and that those teams are permanent designated rivals.  That way no matter the rest of the schedule you get FSU/TX, FSU/ND, FSU/OU, TX/ND, TX/OU, ND/OU which is a lot of must-see television.  You also get 8 anchor / second fiddle games per year and everyone plays everyone else at least every 3rd year.  That's workable and would serve up a ton of great games so long as the conference didn't mind moving a bit away from traditional scheduling.

Which isn't to say that 16 team conferences are inevitible, merely that they could be made to work.  The inevitible question the true top shelf programs will ask themselves eventually is, "Why do we need to drag along the Kansas States, Iowa States, Northwesterns, Washington States, etc. of the world?"  Check back in 2025 (-ish) for the resolution.

While this is interesting and all, I would suggest you refer back to my 15 team scenario as the real answer to this issue.  Please don't let my clearly superior scenario deter you from continuing to post your preferred method of conference alignment.  While you are at it, please include some trade scenarios the Chiefs should consider. TIA.

[steve dave]

I love when Ira gets all matter-of-facty.

yes

[steve dave]

“There’s probably going to be another round of shifting,” he said. “I think eventually you’re going to see more 16-team conferences.”

Radakovich is not so sure about if or how many conferences will push for 16 teams, but with the ACC at 14, he told the crowd scheduling is “difficult.”

“Fourteen, as we’ve found out, is a very difficult thing to schedule,” he said to the crowd. “As we look long term, there are some schools that we may look to bring in for a 16-team format.”

http://daltondailycitizen.com/sports/x1561295259/An-ever-shifting-landscape

[steve dave]

Was talking to a very close friend that is well connected to the Michigan athletic department as a big donor to the Victors Club. We were talking expansion, specifically all of the rumors that have been flying around about Florida State and Clemson to the Big 12.

He said that from his informal discussion to those within the Michigan AD, specifically those with good knowledge of the Big Ten's media contracts with the BTN and ESPN that while they believe that the FSU and Clemson rumors are just rumors, that a lot of it seems to be countering that the Big 12 is really not safe by any stretch.

Losing all of Missouri, Texas A&M, Nebraska, and Colorado is a much bigger loss for football than people realize and that the Big 12 is trying to work public opinion.

After the Big Ten's addition of Nebraska, and the positive affect it's had, that the Big Ten is still interested in further expansion, but like Nebraska, is interested in more national appeal.

The idea that the ACC is a landing spot for ND is more of a pipe dream with no basis, and that if ND goes anywhere, it'll be to the Big Ten. With 9 game conference schedules coming for the Big Ten and ACC, ND to the ACC would mean ending longtime rivalries that ND isn't willing to - with 3 non-conference games and annual games with USC, Navy, Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, and even Purdue, only 3 can survive at best and that would lock ND out of playing any other non-conference games.

While ND values independence, with the possibility of conference champions going to the BCS, and the likelihood that the NBC contract won't be able to compete with the Big Ten revenue, whose teams ND competes for recruits, that the Big Ten makes the most sense financially and will enable them to maintain games with UofM, MSU, Purdue while still having three open non-conference games.

If ND does accept the equal revenue sharing of the Big Ten, the other candidate being eyed is Oklahoma rather than any east coast team. The Big Ten's analysis done two years ago showed that no eastern team could deliver the additional revenue to even offset their addition.

The key to Oklahoma is that they want out from under Texas' shadow, that the Longhown Network is a perceived huge threat, the attractiveness of addition to the CIC over the academic shortfalls of the Big 12, and maintaining its rivalry with Nebraska and fitting in with the large state schools of the Big Ten. The Big Ten's interest, like with Nebraska, is that Oklahoma delivers a national TV presence.

The possible coupling with Oklahoma State is not seen as a threat since Ok State still has a home in no matter what with Texas involved will always be a BCS conference.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/big-ten-is-indeed-looking-at-further-expansion.27187/

[Ira Hayes]

It just seems clear as day to me.

SEC/Big XII: Great! Playoff! Best 4 teams! WooHoo!

big 10/PAC12: Wait...we don't have any of the best 4 teams.  You want to let Boise State into this thing ahead of us?

SEC/Big XII: Best 4 teams! WooHoo!

big 10/PAC12: Eff that. We're collegial and crap. Amateur athletics. Student athletes. Friendly competition. Building character. Building men. Screw that best 4 teams money grab, we'll play the Rose Bowl and be done.

SEC/Big XII: What??? But we want a champion. A true champion. Best against the best. The people demand it.

big 10/PAC12: No. The old way worked fine. We're tired of computer bullshit. Our decision is final.

SEC/Big XII: Well crap. At least we have a bowl like the Rose Bowl to play in.  Oh, hay, we just had an idea.  What if we pair our Champions Bowl winner against the Rose Bowl winner in a fun exhibition game?

big 10/PAC12: That does sound like fun.  Lets do it!

Notre Dame: Excuse me, we would like to be in this.

[mcmwcat]

ACC bound Cuse fan: OU and ND giving up tier 3 rights and going to the Big 10 is likely while FSU and Clemson to the Big 12 is rumor mill started by Big 12 to make us look  like we are not losing our crap.

 

[Fuktard]

Was talking to a very close friend that is well connected to the Michigan athletic department as a big donor to the Victors Club. We were talking expansion, specifically all of the rumors that have been flying around about Florida State and Clemson to the Big 12.

He said that from his informal discussion to those within the Michigan AD, specifically those with good knowledge of the Big Ten's media contracts with the BTN and ESPN that while they believe that the FSU and Clemson rumors are just rumors, that a lot of it seems to be countering that the Big 12 is really not safe by any stretch.

Losing all of Missouri, Texas A&M, Nebraska, and Colorado is a much bigger loss for football than people realize and that the Big 12 is trying to work public opinion.

After the Big Ten's addition of Nebraska, and the positive affect it's had, that the Big Ten is still interested in further expansion, but like Nebraska, is interested in more national appeal.

The idea that the ACC is a landing spot for ND is more of a pipe dream with no basis, and that if ND goes anywhere, it'll be to the Big Ten. With 9 game conference schedules coming for the Big Ten and ACC, ND to the ACC would mean ending longtime rivalries that ND isn't willing to - with 3 non-conference games and annual games with USC, Navy, Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford, and even Purdue, only 3 can survive at best and that would lock ND out of playing any other non-conference games.

While ND values independence, with the possibility of conference champions going to the BCS, and the likelihood that the NBC contract won't be able to compete with the Big Ten revenue, whose teams ND competes for recruits, that the Big Ten makes the most sense financially and will enable them to maintain games with UofM, MSU, Purdue while still having three open non-conference games.

If ND does accept the equal revenue sharing of the Big Ten, the other candidate being eyed is Oklahoma rather than any east coast team. The Big Ten's analysis done two years ago showed that no eastern team could deliver the additional revenue to even offset their addition.

The key to Oklahoma is that they want out from under Texas' shadow, that the Longhown Network is a perceived huge threat, the attractiveness of addition to the CIC over the academic shortfalls of the Big 12, and maintaining its rivalry with Nebraska and fitting in with the large state schools of the Big Ten. The Big Ten's interest, like with Nebraska, is that Oklahoma delivers a national TV presence.

The possible coupling with Oklahoma State is not seen as a threat since Ok State still has a home in no matter what with Texas involved will always be a BCS conference.

http://syracusefan.com/threads/big-ten-is-indeed-looking-at-further-expansion.27187/

This reminds me of that South Park episode when everyone was smelling their own farts.

[steve dave]

ACC bound Cuse fan: OU and ND giving up tier 3 rights and going to the Big 10 is likely while FSU and Clemson to the Big 12 is rumor mill started by Big 12 to make us look  like we are not losing our crap.

 

yes

[steve dave]

It just seems clear as day to me.

yeah, good thinking ira.  a system that excludes half of the teams from participating.  should have no problems getting that thing off the ground. 

[Ira Hayes]

It just seems clear as day to me.

yeah, good thinking ira.  a system that excludes half of the teams from participating.  should have no problems getting that thing off the ground.

It's already off the ground.  It just needs one more game at this point.  You will essentially have an 8 team playoff: Round 1 - CCGs, Round 2 - Rose and Champions Bowl, Round 3 - Fun Exhibition Game for fun!

[steve dave]

It just seems clear as day to me.

yeah, good thinking ira.  a system that excludes half of the teams from participating.  should have no problems getting that thing off the ground.

It's already off the ground.  It just needs one more game at this point.  You will essentially have an 8 team playoff: Round 1 - CCGs, Round 2 - Rose and Champions Bowl, Round 3 - Fun Exhibition Game for fun!

yeah, there are no holes in it at all.  good plan. 

[Ira Hayes]

It just seems clear as day to me.

yeah, good thinking ira.  a system that excludes half of the teams from participating.  should have no problems getting that thing off the ground.

It's already off the ground.  It just needs one more game at this point.  You will essentially have an 8 team playoff: Round 1 - CCGs, Round 2 - Rose and Champions Bowl, Round 3 - Fun Exhibition Game for fun!

yeah, there are no holes in it at all.  good plan.

What hole?  Do you know what the world was like before the BCS?  That's where we're going, but with a twist.  Miami, FSU, Virginia Tech, etc. all still have a shot at being national champions.  It will be up to the poll voters.

[steve dave]

It just seems clear as day to me.

yeah, good thinking ira.  a system that excludes half of the teams from participating.  should have no problems getting that thing off the ground.

It's already off the ground.  It just needs one more game at this point.  You will essentially have an 8 team playoff: Round 1 - CCGs, Round 2 - Rose and Champions Bowl, Round 3 - Fun Exhibition Game for fun!

yeah, there are no holes in it at all.  good plan.

What hole?  Do you know what the world was like before the BCS?  That's where we're going, but with a twist.  Miami, FSU, Virginia Tech, etc. all still have a shot at being national champions.  It will be up to the poll voters.

you can't just decide to play an exhibition game.  that is regulated by the NCAA.  If you are talking about a +1 or 4 team playoff restricted to only conference champions then that is something other than what you described.  I don't know that what you say means what you think it means a lot of the time. 

[Ira Hayes]

The Big XII, SEC, big 10, and PAC12 can't just decide to play an exhibition game?

You are thinking inside the box.

[steve dave]

The Big XII, SEC, big 10, and PAC12 can't just decide to play an exhibition game?

You are thinking inside the box.

I don't think you can see the box from where you're sitting.

[EllToPay]

The Big XII, SEC, big 10, and PAC12 can't just decide to play an exhibition game?

You are thinking inside the box.

I don't think you can see the box from where you're sitting.

lol

[Ira Hayes]

If the Big XII, SEC, big 10, and PAC12 all together fought the NCAA who would win?

There is no box. 

[steve dave]

If the Big XII, SEC, big 10, and PAC12 all together fought the NCAA who would win?

There is no box.

the NCAA.  and you brought the box into the discussion.

[Rage Against the McKee]

If the Big XII, SEC, big 10, and PAC12 all together fought the NCAA who would win?

There is no box.

The federal government. Think of all that new tax revenue.

[Ira Hayes]

If the Big XII, SEC, big 10, and PAC12 all together fought the NCAA who would win?

There is no box.

the NCAA.  and you brought the box into the discussion.

You are wrong and you know it.  The tax argument is complete bullshit. 

The NCAA makes almost all their money from the basketball tournament. Imagine it without any of the schools in the big four conferences.  Because that is what will happen if they fight.

[steve dave]

If the Big XII, SEC, big 10, and PAC12 all together fought the NCAA who would win?

There is no box.

the NCAA.  and you brought the box into the discussion.

You are wrong and you know it.  The tax argument is complete bullshit. 

The NCAA makes almost all their money from the basketball tournament. Imagine it without any of the schools in the big four conferences.  Because that is what will happen if they fight.

I am right and I know it.  what now?

[Dr Rick Daris]

have you guys ever noticed that ncaa is the same as naacp but with the c ahead of the a's and without the p? what do you guys thing that means. do you think it means anything?

[DQ12]

If anybody thinks the NCAA at large is going to lose in all of this then, man - Pretty ridiculous.

[GoodForAnother]

for some reason I now want a taco bell doritos taco box meal

[AbeFroman]

have you guys ever noticed that ncaa is the same as naacp but with the c ahead of the a's and without the p? what do you guys thing that means. do you think it means anything?

I think it means the ncaa is the opposite of the naacp

ncaa =