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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #19575 on: May 18, 2012, 03:23:09 PM »
chuck neinas is such a rough ridin' boss

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« Reply #19576 on: May 18, 2012, 03:25:26 PM »
That beeping sound you hear is the clock ticking on Notre Dame's independence, like that clock on 24, as we count down to them actually joining a conference.

5/18/12 is a day that will go down as one of the landmark days in the history of college football.

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« Reply #19577 on: May 18, 2012, 03:25:48 PM »
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The ACC is a conference best known for two things: basketball and academics. It will soon be known for a third thing… the first major conference to be relegated to second-class status as a football power.


Sort of.  Ivy League teams used to be THE football powerhouses.  In 1955, they outlawed bowl games and began to become irrelevant.  ACC headed the same direction?   :dunno:

I'm sure some of the ACC schools wouldn't fight the comparison.
What's strange is that I have always thought Big 10 was stronger academically. Did that all change with Nebraska?

In all seriousness, when things shake out and the history is written, I'd bet the Big 10 picking up UNL as a member is pointed at as a moment when the league chose football over academics.
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #19578 on: May 18, 2012, 03:26:39 PM »
now ND has to decide between the Big 10 and having their own third tier rights and network. 

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« Reply #19579 on: May 18, 2012, 03:32:25 PM »
now ND has to decide between the Big 10 and having their own third tier rights and network.

Well, you also have to wonder if some of the research done in the CIC may or may not mesh well with the Catholic Church as well.

The CIC has and does research with stem cells.

Yeah, it may not matter, but getting in bed with the Big Ten means you get in bed with the CIC, too.

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« Reply #19580 on: May 18, 2012, 03:34:18 PM »
Pope is a huge Big XII fan. Massive. Probably because of oscar Weber.

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« Reply #19581 on: May 18, 2012, 03:40:46 PM »
My god i'm loving everything about Mizzou journalists right now. omg.
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« Reply #19582 on: May 18, 2012, 03:43:33 PM »
Maybe we can tip the scales by getting the Pope to partner with the Baptists in an effort to thwart evil research initiatives. (Don't mind us, we're just playing with chickens, cows and meat goats  :peek: )

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« Reply #19583 on: May 18, 2012, 03:45:44 PM »
now ND has to decide between the Big 10 and having their own third tier rights and network.

Gotta think that other conferences will change their third tier rights agreements going forward so that they can become more attractive to future new teams, right?

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« Reply #19584 on: May 18, 2012, 03:47:15 PM »
2013: Florida State and Clemson join the Big 12
2014: Notre Dame and Virginia Tech join the Big 12
2015: SEC/Big 12 announce scheduling alliance

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« Reply #19585 on: May 18, 2012, 03:52:23 PM »
My god i'm loving everything about Mizzou journalists right now. omg.

You have to share tweets/other good info

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« Reply #19586 on: May 18, 2012, 03:54:02 PM »
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« Reply #19587 on: May 18, 2012, 03:54:59 PM »
now ND has to decide between the Big 10 and having their own third tier rights and network.

Gotta think that other conferences will change their third tier rights agreements going forward so that they can become more attractive to future new teams, right?
BTN is tier 3 programming correct? No effing way they give that up.

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« Reply #19588 on: May 18, 2012, 03:55:42 PM »
My god i'm loving everything about Mizzou journalists right now. omg.

You have to share tweets/other good info

Is it scotchy?  I have been expecting some good stuff out of him now that he has no boss to worry about when tweeting and also now that the Big12 is the new big kid on the block. 

I don't know when it will happen, but Scotchy is going to have an excellent meltdowny twitter session over the realignment before it's over.

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« Reply #19589 on: May 18, 2012, 04:04:17 PM »
I need some scotchy tweets like he needs....well....scotch

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« Reply #19590 on: May 18, 2012, 04:15:02 PM »
now ND has to decide between the Big 10 and having their own third tier rights and network.

Well, you also have to wonder if some of the research done in the CIC may or may not mesh well with the Catholic Church as well.

The CIC has and does research with stem cells.

Yeah, it may not matter, but getting in bed with the Big Ten means you get in bed with the CIC, too.

I'm Catholic.  And it matters.  It matters more than the tier 3 rights.

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« Reply #19591 on: May 18, 2012, 04:16:40 PM »
now ND has to decide between the Big 10 and having their own third tier rights and network.

Gotta think that other conferences will change their third tier rights agreements going forward so that they can become more attractive to future new teams, right?
BTN is tier 3 programming correct? No effing way they give that up.

There is no Tier 3 in the Big Ten.  The BTN is Tier 2 and everything else.  The Big Ten owns digital rights to 11 of the 12 schools as well, so they can't monetize any of that, either.

It's like a high school party where you hand your keys over at the door so no one can leave after drinking.

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« Reply #19592 on: May 18, 2012, 04:37:00 PM »
I need some scotchy tweets like he needs....well....scotch

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« Reply #19593 on: May 18, 2012, 04:48:38 PM »
Oh man.

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« Reply #19594 on: May 18, 2012, 05:02:08 PM »
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The implications of Friday's SEC/Big 12 bowl agreement should have been obvious on Jan. 10.

Sugar Bowl executive director Paul Hoolahan stood off to the side of the day-after Alabama championship press conference talking to any media outlet with a notebook or microphone.

His bowl, Hoolahan crowed, had a $40 million “war chest” as a buy-in for a possible playoff. This was the World Series of Poker with real honest-to-goodness power brokers at the table, not hygienically-challenged card counters.

Turns out Hoolahan was prescient.

When the SEC and Big 12 announced their new bowl agreement Friday, they changed the paradigm of college football perhaps at the most critical time in the game's history. ACC and the Big East? Done in terms of being meaningful major college football conferences in the marketplace. One has barely made a blip in the BCS era. The other just pushed out its commissioner and is hanging on for dear life.

Meanwhile, interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas just hit a walk-off at the end of a career that has spanned four decades. Asked what he would do if he were ACC or Big East commissioner today, Neinas, laughing, said: “Better get a good bowl.”

The Big East, ACC and whoever else is still playing in FBS don't have war chests. They have become content farms for leftovers.

The Champions Bowl (working title) became a traveling road show that will be played at the site of the highest bidder. The Big 12 and SEC champions will play each year unless one or both champs are in the playoff. If that's the case, a second choice from the conference(s) is picked.

It's what the deal represents: If you haven't noticed, the top level of college football is now narrowed to the Big Four -- Pac-12, Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC. Those 48 schools control most of the influence, power, money and, most important, product in the Football Bowl Subdivision. That shouldn't be a surprise, but the announcement of the Champions Bowl put a face on college athletics' latest study in Darwinism.

“Nothing's changed,” one industry source said. “The Big East is diminished and the ACC is not the same as those other top leagues.”

Still, 48 schools and two major, big-time bowls. More power in the hands of the powerful. Let your mind wander. Secede from the NCAA? They certainly have the leverage if those 46 want to install their own recruiting rules and play with 150-man rosters? And at one point does a 16-team playoff sponsored by Anheuser-Busch become a reality?

It's all on the table now.

If you're not in the Big Four, you're not big time. That means you, Miami and Florida State, who suddenly have a huge decision to make. Remain outside the Big Four with the ACC making $17 million per year in a league that can't compete for a national championship, or take your valuable brands and petition for entry into the Big 12.

Based on Friday's announcement -- the two biggest football names in the ACC could soon be making $25 million a year in the Big 12.

And if that happens, the ACC becomes a whole lot less desirable to a Notre Dame that has to be thinking seriously about joining a conference. Put it this way: ND isn't going to get better access when the four-team playoff debuts in 2014.

Why not just cut to the chase? Miami, Florida State, Virginia Tech and Notre Dame to the Big 12. Even the other members of the Big Four (SEC, Big Ten and Pac-12) would have to take notice of that potential earning power.

“Now it's going to put more pressure on Notre Dame to look at the Big 12,” said one source involved in the playoff discussions.

One unique feature of this new arrangement: The Champions Bowl will be bid out. The Sugar Bowl is the preferred site, but I'm thinking Jerry Jones has a war chest of his own to bring the game to Cowboys Stadium. Atlanta and the Georgia Dome will want in.

A quality product creates competition. Neinas said there is the possibility RFPs will be sent out. For those not business savvy, that stands for Requests For Proposals. Usually you see RFPs in the bidding for construction contracts. Now you're going to see the winning bid inherit the spending power of Bama Nation for a week in Dallas, Atlanta, Orlando or New Orleans.

That industry source went so far as to call this new arrangement nothing more than a glorified Capital One Bowl (sub in the Big 12 for the Big Ten vs. the SEC). Most years the Champions Bowl is going to be the SEC No. 2 or No. 3 vs. the Big 12 No. 2. If a four-team playoff had been in place during the 14 years of the BCS, the champions of the two leagues would have met only three times (1999, 2001, 2002 based on a seeded, four-teamer).

Again, it's what the deal represents. The power continued to shift. Revenue flows up in college athletics. With at least $400 million on the table for a playoff, most of that revenue is going to the Big Four because they've got the best teams that are going to play for the most championships. You might have noticed the SEC seems to have a nice little streak going.

That's what makes Friday also so crazy and ironic. A couple of months ago the Big 12 and SEC were mortal enemies. The Strength Everywhere Conference had taken Texas A&M and Missouri from the Big 12. The Large Dozen was more than unstable. Now with a new bowl, a new commissioner and a new membership, the SEC is its new best friend.

The most amazing thing was, this was done in the last two weeks and it never leaked,” said Neinas proudly.

Well, not until CBSSports.com broke it Friday morning. Still, congratulations are in order. The SEC and Big 12 had been talking conceptually about such an arrangement since 2004 when no one really knew where the BCS was headed. Since the end of that season, the Big 12 and SEC have combined to win every BCS title. Why not a bowl partnership that can be taken around the country and played like it was U2 on tour?

Two years ago SEC commissioner Mike Slive mentioned such an arrangement to insiders if the Rose Bowl proved to be too big an impediment to a playoff. The Champions Bowl mimics the Rose Bowl which continues to be the biggest hangup in the playoff discussion. Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany is trying like heck to protect the Pac-12-Big Ten matchup as much as possible.

Who can blame him? The two conferences are partners in a bowl that, no matter what, rates the highest in the bowl season year after year. Within the context of those playoff discussions, Slive and Neinas just raised the ante.

Neinas has done the math. Even if an actual champion doesn't play in the Champions Bowl, it most likely will be replaced by a top 10 team from the SEC or Big 12. Not bad.

In terms of tradition, power and revenue, the Champions Bowl is approaching the Rose. The Sugar Bowl has been around for 75 years. The Big 12 traces its roots back 105 years. The SEC is the best conference and has been playing in New Orleans forever. It doesn't have the San Gabriel Mountains, but it now has Oklahoma, Texas, LSU, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee in the same bowl club.

If Delany complains about losing one of his traditional Rose Bowl teams to a playoff, Slive can stare across the table and shoot that argument down.

“Jim, we just agreed to do that very thing with the Big 12. On purpose.

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« Reply #19595 on: May 18, 2012, 05:29:14 PM »
goodbye NC v. Duke rivalry

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When FSU and Clemson bolt the ACC, how many believe North Carolina (yes, the Tar Heels) will patiently sit aboard the Titanic?

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« Reply #19596 on: May 18, 2012, 05:35:20 PM »
From Ubben:  http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/50032/take-two-sec-big-12-partnership

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The nation's college football fans were robbed of that when Oklahoma State was squeezed out of the national title game for SEC West second-place finisher Alabama. This year, the SEC and Big 12 only play once, when eight-win Texas travels to face two-win Ole Miss in September. Not exactly must-see TV.

This will be.

It assures the Big 12 a place at the adults' table of college football, further extending the distance between college football's top four leagues -- the SEC, Big 12, Pac-12 and Big Ten, in that order -- and the ACC and Big East. The ACC and Big East have the Orange Bowl, but any game like the SEC and Big 12 put together will pale in comparison when it comes to TV ratings and more importantly, TV money.

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« Reply #19597 on: May 18, 2012, 05:37:05 PM »
New bowl a death knell for ACC?
Originally Published: May 18, 2012
By Mark Schlabach | ESPN.com

It might not be the start of Armageddon in college football, but Friday's announcement that the Big 12 and SEC are forming a partnership, which would pit their champions in a future New Year's Day bowl game, has sent even more conference realignment ripples throughout the sport.

Some industry insiders suggested Friday that the Big 12 and SEC are only protecting themselves in case the sport is eventually reduced to four power conferences. Given the current state of the Big East, further contraction to four megaconferences seems more possible than ever before.

If the Big East can't survive on life support, where will its teams go? And if the Big 12's latest power move makes it even more appealing to a school such as Florida State, would the ACC survive without one of its most high-profile members?

"This could be Day 1 of Armageddon in terms of four-conference conglomeration," a college football power broker told ESPN.com on Friday.

The Big 12 and SEC's version of the Rose Bowl won't have a midafternoon kickoff in front of the picturesque San Gabriel Mountains in Pasadena, Calif. It won't have more than 100 years of tradition and won't be called the "Granddaddy of Them All."

But the new Big 12-SEC bowl game might end up being a better football game. Since the BCS era began in 1998, Big 12 and SEC teams have combined to appear in 12 of the last 14 BCS National Championship Games and won 10 times. If you haven't heard, the SEC has won six BCS national championships in a row.

Starting on New Year's Day 2015, the champions of the Big 12 and SEC will meet in a New Year's Day bowl game. Acting Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas said the leagues hope to play the game on New Year's Day night, but the site of the game is still to be determined.

The game might be played at the Fiesta Bowl in Tempe, Ariz., or the Sugar Bowl in New Orleans, which have been the traditional BCS hosts for the Big 12 and SEC, respectively. Or the new Big 12-SEC bowl game could be offered to the highest bidder -- i.e. Atlanta or Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

Big 12-SEC Debate
Bloggers Edward Aschoff and David Ubben argue the merits of the Big 12-SEC partnership. Story

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• Bennett: Yellow Rose Of Texas?
• Galloway and Co.: Acting Big 12 commisioner Chuck Neinas
"The two conferences may just build their own bowl," Neinas said, in an interview published on big12sports.com on Friday. "I wouldn't say that's the primary idea, but the point is the two conferences are working together and will explore it thoroughly and come to an agreement as to what we feel is in the best interest of the two conferences moving forward. It's a true partnership."

It sure seems to be a short trip from bitterness to partnership these days. Not too long ago, the Big 12 was peeved the SEC raided its league for Missouri and Texas A&M, which are joining the SEC this coming season. Now the SEC is helping the Big 12 re-establish its power in college football.

"It's a time when postseason football is undergoing some changes," Neinas said. "It's an opportunity for two conferences, both of which are very proud of their football programs, to get together in a partnership and establish what should be an exciting and high-quality annual postseason game."

What's the ACC going to do? Is its champion going to play the Big East champion in the postseason? That matchup has really worked out well for the Orange Bowl. Maybe they'll increase the stakes by giving the winner an at-large invitation to the NCAA men's basketball tournament.

Where's Notre Dame? Will this latest merger of power finally force the Fighting Irish to do something? Like maybe join a conference? ACC commissioner John Swofford's first phone call Friday should have been to Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick. The ACC and Notre Dame might really need each other if they're going to survive in the post-BCS era.

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John Swofford has his work cut out for him to keep the ACC in the mix.
And what about the depleted Big East? It's pretty clear the Big East is no longer sitting at the same table with the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC, after it lost Pittsburgh, Syracuse, TCU and West Virginia to other leagues. Now the Big East might not even be sitting in the same room as the other BCS conferences.

"Right now, you'd have to make an honest assessment and say since the BCS era has begun the two conferences which have produced the teams to play for the national championship more than any other are the Big 12 Conference and the SEC," Neinas said. "The quality of play is well-established and as the postseason unfolds, what better way to conclude New Year's Day than with a prime-time game between the champions of these two conferences?"

Will this merger cause another round of conference expansion? It's too early to tell. But the Big 12 probably never looked better to Florida State. And how long will the Big 12 sacrifice millions of dollars in lost revenue by having only 10 teams and not playing a conference championship game?

Odds are we'll probably never see the champions of the Big 12 and SEC play each other in a New Year's Day bowl game. The chances of seeing even one of them playing in the new bowl game are probably slim to none because the champions of those leagues will undoubtedly be participants in the aforementioned four-team playoff. If that happens, the No. 2 teams from those conferences would play in the new bowl game.

Two of college football's strongest conferences just got even stronger. And the ACC, Big East and possibly Notre Dame lost much of their footing in the post-BCS landscape.

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« Reply #19598 on: May 18, 2012, 06:07:19 PM »
remember when some people were like, "what could beebe have done?" as though the defections and sorry state of the conference were completely out of his control?  what a rough ridin' loser.  thank god we got rid of him.

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« Reply #19599 on: May 18, 2012, 06:14:20 PM »
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