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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #18175 on: March 03, 2012, 05:12:14 AM »
In the new BCS playoff stuff being thrown around is not ND left out of the playoff picture? I wonder if ND still has enough power left or iif thw BCS is willing to give them special rules to get them into the playoffs. Are they willing to give the same to BYU or other indys?
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #18176 on: March 03, 2012, 07:49:28 AM »
In the new BCS playoff stuff being thrown around is not ND left out of the playoff picture? I wonder if ND still has enough power left or iif thw BCS is willing to give them special rules to get them into the playoffs. Are they willing to give the same to BYU or other indys?

Its not just the special ND rules about access to the BCS games, its also about the special payout arrangements that ND gets. In 2010 ND got $1.3 million from the BCS.  The other indys got $100k

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journal/Issues/2010/01/20100125/This-Weeks-News/The-BCS-Big-Split.aspx

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« Reply #18177 on: March 03, 2012, 08:03:47 AM »
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Include signing bonus from new Fox deal waived by Texas A&M ($2 mil) and Missouri ($4 mil) and their combined B12 exit total is $31 mil.


If true, why wasn't this in the official release from the conference?  Mizzou forfeits the entire $4 million signing bonus and A&M forfeits half.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=205135947&SPID=13138&SPSID=106137

Financial details of the new Fox contract are confidential.  Probably the reason why the signing bonuses weren't part of the official release. 

So the 8 Big 12 survivors, over the span of 24 months, get exit fees from 4 schools while also receiving a $4M signing bonus per school from Fox?  Not too bad...

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #18178 on: March 03, 2012, 09:20:29 AM »
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Include signing bonus from new Fox deal waived by Texas A&M ($2 mil) and Missouri ($4 mil) and their combined B12 exit total is $31 mil.


If true, why wasn't this in the official release from the conference?  Mizzou forfeits the entire $4 million signing bonus and A&M forfeits half.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=205135947&SPID=13138&SPSID=106137

Financial details of the new Fox contract are confidential.  Probably the reason why the signing bonuses weren't part of the official release. 

So the 8 Big 12 survivors, over the span of 24 months, get exit fees from 4 schools while also receiving a $4M signing bonus per school from Fox?  Not too bad...
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #18179 on: March 05, 2012, 09:36:30 PM »
Rumors of some big meetings this week between Big 12 and AD's in KC.  One subject possibly being logo change.

Certain projects have been hesitant about adding current logo to signage due to this.

Also, love the #Big12 on the tournament court.
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« Reply #18180 on: March 05, 2012, 09:53:37 PM »
Yeah, ND, thanks but no thanks, dorks.  Enjoy playing the military academies every year, you irrelevant losers.

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« Reply #18181 on: March 06, 2012, 10:55:24 AM »
Yeah, ND, thanks but no thanks, dorks.  Enjoy playing the military academies every year, you irrelevant losers.

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« Reply #18182 on: March 10, 2012, 08:49:47 AM »
So with the news that Temple is joining the Big East for football in 2012, and all other sports in 2013, does that reduce the buyout that WVU has to pay the Big East?

I was under the impression that the reason WVU's buyout was so big ($20 million) was because they were leaving the Big East in a bind by leaving so soon before the season.  The Big East was down to 7 teams, forcing them all to scramble and find another noncon opponent and possibly hurting their TV contract as well.  With Temple able to immediately step in and replace WVU, doesn't that reduce whatever financial hit the Big East is taking?  And shouldn't that result in a lesser buyout for WVU?

The reason I ask is because I think it sucks that K-State and all of the other Big 12 schools are each chipping in $1 million towards WVU's buyout.  We have a stadium to pay for.  We don't need to be sending some of our much needed money to some Rhode Island-based conference.

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« Reply #18183 on: March 10, 2012, 08:53:52 AM »
So with the news that Temple is joining the Big East for football in 2012, and all other sports in 2013, does that reduce the buyout that WVU has to pay the Big East?

I was under the impression that the reason WVU's buyout was so big ($20 million) was because they were leaving the Big East in a bind by leaving so soon before the season.  The Big East was down to 7 teams, forcing them all to scramble and find another noncon opponent and possibly hurting their TV contract as well.  With Temple able to immediately step in and replace WVU, doesn't that reduce whatever financial hit the Big East is taking?  And shouldn't that result in a lesser buyout for WVU?

The reason I ask is because I think it sucks that K-State and all of the other Big 12 schools are each chipping in $1 million towards WVU's buyout.  We have a stadium to pay for.  We don't need to be sending some of our much needed money to some Rhode Island-based conference.

they came to an agreement with the Big East.  nothing is going to reduce it.

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« Reply #18184 on: March 10, 2012, 12:20:01 PM »
The reason I ask is because I think it sucks that K-State and all of the other Big 12 schools are each chipping in $1 million towards WVU's buyout.  We have a stadium to pay for.  We don't need to be sending some of our much needed money to some Rhode Island-based conference.

It's been revealed that the $9MM is a loan and will be held out from WVU and redistributed to other Big12 schools over time.
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« Reply #18185 on: March 10, 2012, 08:21:10 PM »
The reason I ask is because I think it sucks that K-State and all of the other Big 12 schools are each chipping in $1 million towards WVU's buyout.  We have a stadium to pay for.  We don't need to be sending some of our much needed money to some Rhode Island-based conference.

It's been revealed that the $9MM is a loan and will be held out from WVU and redistributed to other Big12 schools over time.
Maybe so.  But we could use the money now, not 5 years from now.  And to be honest, there are no guarantees that the Big 12 will still exist in its current form in a few years for us to collect on that loan.

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« Reply #18186 on: March 10, 2012, 09:23:04 PM »
The reason I ask is because I think it sucks that K-State and all of the other Big 12 schools are each chipping in $1 million towards WVU's buyout.  We have a stadium to pay for.  We don't need to be sending some of our much needed money to some Rhode Island-based conference.

It's been revealed that the $9MM is a loan and will be held out from WVU and redistributed to other Big12 schools over time.
Maybe so.  But we could use the money now, not 5 years from now.  And to be honest, there are no guarantees that the Big 12 will still exist in its current form in a few years for us to collect on that loan.

WVU isn't going out of business anytime soon, i think they're good for it. 


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« Reply #18187 on: March 11, 2012, 12:18:16 AM »
I'm guessing that those ITK see the loan as a good investement.  We'll get the money back and adding WVU to the conference adds to the overall strength of the conference in several different senses and will likely result in higher returns for the conference members.

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« Reply #18188 on: March 11, 2012, 01:15:48 AM »
I'm guessing that those ITK see the loan as a good investement.  We'll get the money back and adding WVU to the conference adds to the overall strength of the conference in several different senses and will likely result in higher returns for the conference members.

it's fake money that we will get paid back in fake money

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« Reply #18189 on: March 13, 2012, 01:40:46 PM »
http://www.eerinsider.com/2012-articles/march/update-on-big-12-expansion.html

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Clemson and FSU have all the financial projections and mock schedules and they are looking closely at the value of a move and what it would cost them to make the jump.  Both are waiting to see who is named the Big 12’s new commissioner before further consideration.

They need to see the Big 12 make a bold move and select a bold commissioner who lead them to the promised land of TV deals and ensure the conference’s long term stability.

And if that doesn’t happen there is no way in Dallas they make a move.

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« Reply #18190 on: March 13, 2012, 03:17:42 PM »
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Clemson and FSU have all the financial projections and mock schedules and they are looking closely at the value of a move and what it would cost them to make the jump.  Both are waiting to see who is named the Big 12’s new commissioner before further consideration.

They need to see the Big 12 make a bold move and select a bold commissioner who lead them to the promised land of TV deals and ensure the conference’s long term stability.

And if that doesn’t happen there is no way in Dallas they make a move.

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« Reply #18191 on: March 13, 2012, 03:18:19 PM »
http://www.eerinsider.com/2012-articles/march/update-on-big-12-expansion.html

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Clemson and FSU have all the financial projections and mock schedules and they are looking closely at the value of a move and what it would cost them to make the jump.  Both are waiting to see who is named the Big 12’s new commissioner before further consideration.

They need to see the Big 12 make a bold move and select a bold commissioner who lead them to the promised land of TV deals and ensure the conference’s long term stability.

And if that doesn’t happen there is no way in Dallas they make a move.

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« Reply #18192 on: March 13, 2012, 05:09:43 PM »
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The Big 12 is on the verge of a blockbuster TV contract that will put its media revenue among the top tier of college conferences, despite losing several marquee programs in the last two years.

The Big 12 and ESPN are nearing an extension that will earn the conference — combined with its Fox TV contract — $2.5 billion over the next 13 years, according to industry sources. The ESPN extension would run through 2025 and sync up with Fox’s deal.

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By network, the Big 12 stands to make $1.3 billion from ESPN and $1.2 billion from Fox over the life of the two deals. ESPN’s old contract with the Big 12 ran through 2016, but the two sides are close on a nine-year extension that will increase the conference’s average revenue from its current $150 million a year to nearly $200 million annually. Each Big 12 school stands to make roughly $5 million more a year in the new contract over the old deal.

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« Reply #18193 on: March 13, 2012, 05:20:20 PM »
It's moments like this that make me want to kick every sportswriter on twitter in the balls.

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« Reply #18194 on: March 13, 2012, 05:26:58 PM »
What would that bring the total per school to?

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« Reply #18195 on: March 13, 2012, 05:28:07 PM »
article says just under 20 million each.

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« Reply #18196 on: March 13, 2012, 05:32:13 PM »
Is that gonna include the tier 3 media?

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« Reply #18197 on: March 13, 2012, 05:38:11 PM »
No, it likely won't include the Tier 3.

So, if this happens.   I project K-State annual total media/conference take will be about $27 to $28 million, until the Learfield contract is up, which is still 4 or 5 years out, maybe less.


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« Reply #18198 on: March 13, 2012, 05:39:13 PM »
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« Reply #18199 on: March 13, 2012, 05:39:27 PM »
how does that compare to other conferences, that's all I care about