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« Reply #14675 on: September 28, 2011, 12:45:11 PM »
don't really know why, but i really really want Louisville.  :dunno:











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« Reply #14676 on: September 28, 2011, 12:47:26 PM »
Can't wait to catch a khatz stickball game while in town for the kentucky derby.
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« Reply #14678 on: September 28, 2011, 01:04:09 PM »
a white (suit) out would be a fun way to welcome Rick to the league.

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« Reply #14679 on: September 28, 2011, 01:18:54 PM »
live chat right now on KC Star with D'armond(SP):

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Was doing some research on that recently. Anticipated new payments from the Big 12 after new TV contracts could be upwards of $20 million per year per school. Today there is reporting out there that the SEC payout per team for simple first and second tier payouts with new TV contracts could be at least $25 million and that an SEC Network designed like the Big Ten Network could bring in an additional $170 million split 14 ways. The SEC, as you know, officially has 13 teams. So take those denials with the skepticism you seem to have

Are these anticipated payments after we negotiate our deal in 2015?

If it's really 20 million per school, yeah, that's really, really disappointing.

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« Reply #14680 on: September 28, 2011, 01:22:12 PM »
live chat right now on KC Star with D'armond(SP):

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Mike DeArmond:
Was doing some research on that recently. Anticipated new payments from the Big 12 after new TV contracts could be upwards of $20 million per year per school. Today there is reporting out there that the SEC payout per team for simple first and second tier payouts with new TV contracts could be at least $25 million and that an SEC Network designed like the Big Ten Network could bring in an additional $170 million split 14 ways. The SEC, as you know, officially has 13 teams. So take those denials with the skepticism you seem to have

Are these anticipated payments after we negotiate our deal in 2015?

If it's really 20 million per school, yeah, that's really, really disappointing.

what's the current contract per big 12 school?  dearmond is pushing to SEC so i'm not sure i'd trust his math.

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« Reply #14681 on: September 28, 2011, 01:26:47 PM »
live chat right now on KC Star with D'armond(SP):

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Mike DeArmond:
Was doing some research on that recently. Anticipated new payments from the Big 12 after new TV contracts could be upwards of $20 million per year per school. Today there is reporting out there that the SEC payout per team for simple first and second tier payouts with new TV contracts could be at least $25 million and that an SEC Network designed like the Big Ten Network could bring in an additional $170 million split 14 ways. The SEC, as you know, officially has 13 teams. So take those denials with the skepticism you seem to have

Are these anticipated payments after we negotiate our deal in 2015?

If it's really 20 million per school, yeah, that's really, really disappointing.

I thought $20 million was the current payout  :dunno:. So yeah that would suck. I also have a hard time believing that the SEC network is worth $170 million. As of right now the SEC Network has about 95 affiliates. That's $1.78 million a piece and seems really high.

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« Reply #14682 on: September 28, 2011, 01:33:46 PM »
if it's all about $ then Mizzou can just get go independent and live like an FCS school: get paid to visit SEC stadiums and get their ass beat

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« Reply #14683 on: September 28, 2011, 01:39:08 PM »
DeArmond is using ANTICPATED big 12 tv revenue of tier 1 and tier 2 (once shared equally), and then comparing to ANTICIPATED "new" tv revenue from tier 1 and teir 2 should the sec renegotiate its tier 1 and tier 2 contracts.  Then throws the SEC network on top of it (which would be a subscriber based network) in ANTICIPATED tv revenue. 


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« Reply #14684 on: September 28, 2011, 01:56:31 PM »
Drunken math.
I think DeArmond's one of those fans who more than anything fantasize about neener, neener, neener to rivals left behind.

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« Reply #14685 on: September 28, 2011, 01:59:07 PM »
live chat right now on KC Star with D'armond(SP):

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Was doing some research on that recently. Anticipated new payments from the Big 12 after new TV contracts could be upwards of $20 million per year per school. Today there is reporting out there that the SEC payout per team for simple first and second tier payouts with new TV contracts could be at least $25 million and that an SEC Network designed like the Big Ten Network could bring in an additional $170 million split 14 ways. The SEC, as you know, officially has 13 teams. So take those denials with the skepticism you seem to have

Are these anticipated payments after we negotiate our deal in 2015?

If it's really 20 million per school, yeah, that's really, really disappointing.

what's the current contract per big 12 school?  dearmond is pushing to SEC so i'm not sure i'd trust his math.

I honestly don't know where DeArmond is getting those numbers.  This is something michigancat posted a while back, and it does a good job of breaking down annual payouts.

http://businessofcollegesports.com/2011/05/05/televison-contract-breakdown/

The SEC's current contracts go until the 2023-2024 seasons, and their annual payout is $205 million.  Divide that by 12, currently, and the annual school payout is $17 million.  Now, there may be some number there that aren't for public consumption, but where they're currently hiding $96 million in total revenue contracts (which equals the eight million dollar gap per school in DeArmond's numbers) is beyond me.

Right now, with the new contracts, we're only two million per year, per school (in the ten team model) behind the SEC before Tier 1 negotiations based on all public contracts.

Now, if the SEC were to create it's own network, and we weren't, that's one thing, but what would they do that with?  Tier 3 rights?  ESPN and CBS have them locked for another twelve years.  How are they going to net that much money with Volleyball?  Practically all of their games are already on the Tier 1 and Tier 2 platform.  The only way they do this is if they're allowed to massively restructure their deal with ESPN for Tier 2 rights.

For us to get $20 million per school, annually (assuming ten teams), that means our Tier 1 deal would move from $60 million annually to $110 million, which is only an 83% percent increase, which is roughly 267% less of an increase we saw from Fox.  I mean, just assuming we'd double the payout, which seems conservative in this environment, we're looking at a $21 million payout per school.

I mean, sure, my numbers could be way off, but I have no clue where DeArmond is getting this stuff.

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« Reply #14686 on: September 28, 2011, 02:01:31 PM »
I mean, sure, my numbers could be way off, but I have no clue where DeArmond is getting this stuff.

He's a scotch-loving fanboy masquerading as a reporter. Start there, and you should be able to figure it out.

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« Reply #14687 on: September 28, 2011, 02:02:02 PM »
what happens when gatordan comes to mhk?  :scared:

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« Reply #14688 on: September 28, 2011, 02:07:24 PM »
more realignment gems today on BTL 3pm hour: Jack Harry today  :excited:

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« Reply #14689 on: September 28, 2011, 02:08:43 PM »
DeArmond is using ANTICPATED big 12 tv revenue of tier 1 and tier 2 (once shared equally), and then comparing to ANTICIPATED "new" tv revenue from tier 1 and teir 2 should the sec renegotiate its tier 1 and tier 2 contracts.  Then throws the SEC network on top of it (which would be a subscriber based network) in ANTICIPATED tv revenue. 



But the SEC renegotiating those contracts has been a pretty sticky point this whole time.  There has been a lot of discussion that those may not really be up for renegotiation any time in the near future, and ESPN has a choke hold on Tier 2 rights ($2.25 billion, 15 years), which is what conference networks are really based on.

The SEC already HAS a network.  That's what the $2.25 billion was based on.

DeArmond makes it sound like there's another network out there to generate even more revenue.  There is no way in Hell that the SEC will get $170 million annually in a network based on Tier 3.  Not possible.  They would absolutely have to completely destroy their ESPN contract and start over from scratch.

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« Reply #14690 on: September 28, 2011, 02:11:04 PM »
I mean, sure, my numbers could be way off, but I have no clue where DeArmond is getting this stuff.

He's a scotch-loving fanboy masquerading as a reporter. Start there, and you should be able to figure it out.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I hate Mike DeArmond with a fiery passion, but he's blatantly lying about the monetary value of the SEC to drum up support for a move.

I really can't tell you how much more I hate him at this point.

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« Reply #14691 on: September 28, 2011, 02:12:26 PM »
I mean, sure, my numbers could be way off, but I have no clue where DeArmond is getting this stuff.

He's a scotch-loving fanboy masquerading as a reporter. Start there, and you should be able to figure it out.

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« Reply #14693 on: September 28, 2011, 02:32:17 PM »
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I mean, don't get me wrong, I hate Mike DeArmond with a fiery passion, but he's blatantly lying about the monetary value of the SEC to drum up support for a move.

I really can't tell you how much more I hate him at this point.

Don't understand why the Star gives him a platform for this campaign. They've run stories saying re-alignment would be a big hit to the city as far as college sports. I mean what does the Big 12 tournament mean to the paper in terms of advertising revenue?

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« Reply #14694 on: September 28, 2011, 02:36:08 PM »
Does anyone know if we have loopholes in our second tier rights contract to renegotiate if we go back to twelve?

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« Reply #14695 on: September 28, 2011, 02:37:13 PM »
am i the only one that confuses mike with gabe? i've seen gabe in videos and stuff and he seems like a horrible person. is mike the same or what?

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« Reply #14696 on: September 28, 2011, 02:38:10 PM »
or is it mike that i've seen in videos? i have NO IDEA.

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« Reply #14697 on: September 28, 2011, 02:39:32 PM »
according to google pictures results i have confirmed mike as the horrible person. always confuse him with gabe though. poor gabe. probably a good guy.

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« Reply #14698 on: September 28, 2011, 02:43:53 PM »
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SEC negotiation would be worth $Eleventy Trillion; split 14 ways is roughly $50 Zillion per each school.  Staying in the Big XII nets each school $17.32.  Missouri already blew that in a twin turbo-prop express to SEC headquarters.  They must jump now, no other choice.

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« Reply #14699 on: September 28, 2011, 02:58:55 PM »
I mean, sure, my numbers could be way off, but I have no clue where DeArmond is getting this stuff.

He's a scotch-loving fanboy masquerading as a reporter. Start there, and you should be able to figure it out.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I hate Mike DeArmond with a fiery passion, but he's blatantly lying about the monetary value of the SEC to drum up support for a move.

I really can't tell you how much more I hate him at this point.

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