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« Reply #10100 on: September 07, 2011, 10:04:50 AM »
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Big 12 school source said reports today that Baylor has agreed not to sue SEC are inaccurate. "Completely false," the source said.

BE or bust.

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I think he is saying that BU is going to sue.

Seriously dumbasses, at this point, what happens to aTm is irrelevant. They're gone. stop worrying about it. The question is what do OU/UT do. I can still see them keeping the Big 12 afloat at 9 or adding BYU.

I would rather be in the Big east rather than deal with all the drama about to drop.
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« Reply #10101 on: September 07, 2011, 10:05:57 AM »
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Big 12 school source said reports today that Baylor has agreed not to sue SEC are inaccurate. "Completely false," the source said.

BE or bust.

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I think he is saying that BU is going to sue.

Seriously dumbasses, at this point, what happens to aTm is irrelevant. They're gone. stop worrying about it. The question is what do OU/UT do. I can still see them keeping the Big 12 afloat at 9 or adding BYU.

I would rather be in the Big east rather than deal with all the drama about to drop.

I'm not surprised.

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« Reply #10102 on: September 07, 2011, 10:07:17 AM »
@mattmosley Every school in what's left of the B12, including Baylor, has agreed not to sue the SEC. Ags will announce their membership tomorrow.

@mattmosley BU was just a little late getting that indemnification letter faxed in - hence the nervous sweating from SEC types.

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« Reply #10103 on: September 07, 2011, 10:07:54 AM »
Breaking news: Potential hurdle in A&M-to-SEC... (10 AM) Reply

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10 AM - Was just told by two Big 12 administrators the SEC now wants all nine schools in the Big 12 to sign a waiver saying they will not sue the Southeastern Conference over the depature of Texas A&M to the SEC.

And I'm told the Big 12 schools will not sign those waivers.

Texas A&M has confirmed to Orangebloods.com that a celebration planned for today in College Station to announce Texas A&M as the 13th member has been postponed indefinitely until the threat of litigation can be resolved.

"At this time, we do not intend on making an announcement today," said A&M spokesman Jason Cook. "But the situation is extremely fluid."

Things could get sticky because a letter on Sept. 2 from Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe to SEC commissioner Mike Slive said that the Big 12 would waive the right to any litigation against the SEC as long as he Aggies were members of the SEC by 5 p.m. on Sept. 8 (Thursday).

Beebe sent a letter back to Slive on Tuesday saying the waiver in that Sept. 2 letter applied only to the Big 12 Conference and was not binding to the Big 12's member schools.

The SEC was contacted on Tuesday by lawyers representing Baylor that BU did not intend to waive its right to sue the SEC, sources said.

The SEC then admitted Texas A&M as the 13th member of the conference contingent upon the SEC being released from any legal liability by the nine member schools in the Big 12.

And I'm being told there's no way all the schools will sign such a waiver.

Stay tuned.


8:30 AM - Here is the statement issued by Florida president Bernie Machen, chair of the Southeastern Conference presidents and chancellors board, on Texas A&M's (contingent) acceptance into the SEC:

"After receiving unanimous written assurance from the Big 12 on September 2 that the Southeastern Conference was free to accept Texas A&M to join as a new member, the presidents and chancellors of the SEC met last night with the intention of accepting the application of Texas A&M to be the newest member of the SEC.

"We were notified yesterday afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action.

"The SEC has stated that to consider an institution for membership, there must be no contractual hindrances to its departure. The SEC voted unanimously to accept Texas A&M University as a member upon receiving acceptable reconfirmation that the Big 12 and its members have reaffirmed the letter dated September 2, 2011."

6:15 AM WEDNESDAY - Multiple sources say Baylor is the school the SEC is most concerned about when it comes to the threat of a lawsuit. One source said Baylor is seriously considering a lawsuit against the SEC alleging the acquisition of Texas A&M would set off a domino effect in realignment that would result in hundreds of millions of dollars in damages to schools across the country.

The source also said Baylor would consider a lawsuit against Mike Slive personally.

Obviously, the SEC is taking this seriously because the presidents in that league made their vote to admit Texas A&M contingent on the individual member schools in the Big 12 signing a waiver not to sue the SEC.


12:15 AM WEDNESDAY - Hold everything folks.

The Southeastern Conference presidents met Tuesday night and voted to admit Texas A&M. But the vote came with a stipulation that still must be worked out.

The SEC presidents voted to admit Texas A&M as the 13th member of that league so long as each individual member of the Big 12 waives its right to litigation against the SEC.

And it was unclear Tuesday night if all nine remaining members of the Big 12 would waive that right, sources said. The Big 12 schools were expected to discuss the matter on Wednesday, sources said. That's the same day Texas A&M has planned a celebration in College Station to announce its admission into the SEC, sources said.

If even one of the Big 12 schools refuse to waive their right to sue the SEC over its courtship of Texas A&M, the SEC could withdraw its vote to admit A&M, sources said.

After letters were exchanged by SEC commissioner Mike Slive and Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe Tuesday, Beebe told Slive the Big 12 conference office had waived its right to litigate against Texas A&M or the SEC but that the Big 12's waiver was not binding on the individual members of the Big 12, sources said.

The SEC indicated it would admit Texas A&M only upon condition that each individual member of the Big 12 waive its right to sue the SEC, sources said.

And that condition was in doubt Tuesday night, sources said.

Stay tuned.

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« Reply #10104 on: September 07, 2011, 10:12:42 AM »
Is there any chance that Texas would go to the Big East with us if the Big East would let them keep their network?

This is an amazing idea.  They would still be kings, would add value.

 
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Big 12 school source said reports today that Baylor has agreed not to sue SEC are inaccurate. "Completely false," the source said.

BE or bust.

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I think he is saying that BU is going to sue.

Seriously dumbasses, at this point, what happens to aTm is irrelevant. They're gone. stop worrying about it. The question is what do OU/UT do. I can still see them keeping the Big 12 afloat at 9 or adding BYU.

Not irrelevant if it drags things out or leads to a refugee big12 where no else leaves for fear of being sued.  At this point the big12 staying a float is a liability to our long term stability imo.
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« Reply #10105 on: September 07, 2011, 10:13:57 AM »
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Big 12 school source said reports today that Baylor has agreed not to sue SEC are inaccurate. "Completely false," the source said.

BE or bust.

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I think he is saying that BU is going to sue.

Seriously dumbasses, at this point, what happens to aTm is irrelevant. They're gone. stop worrying about it. The question is what do OU/UT do. I can still see them keeping the Big 12 afloat at 9 or adding BYU.

 I mean, I think A&M is gone, butI don’t understand why if UT makes concession with the LHN (which it appears they might be willing to do) then why would A&M at that point leave?  They’d have an easy out.  “We’re going back to a big 12 that was different than the one we left.  Everyone’s equal, that wasn’t the case before..blah, blah blah”.   It’s the sole damn reason why no one wants to come to this conference.  You can say it’s butthurt, but the butthurt is driven by UT and symbolized by the LHN.  When/if that goes and a big12 network with equal revenue sharing comes, that wouldn’t be the case.  No one left cares if the (eventual) big 12 title game is in dallas or if the big 12 offices are in dallas.  


But to UT/OU, I don’t think they want BYU.  I think the reason OU wants out is because as they were on the search committee it became clearer and clearer that under the current structure, no one wants to be a part of this league.  

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« Reply #10106 on: September 07, 2011, 10:18:45 AM »
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« Reply #10107 on: September 07, 2011, 10:19:30 AM »
But to UT/OU, I don’t think they want BYU.  I think the reason OU wants out is because as they were on the search committee it became clearer and clearer that under the current structure, no one wants to be a part of this league.  

I had some hopes that somehow UT and OU could pull things back together and clean up the mess. But I agree, it seems clear that no other decent program wants to be part of this mess. It would just be a matter of time before someone else got upset with Texas and looked to get out.

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« Reply #10108 on: September 07, 2011, 10:20:10 AM »
interesting.
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« Reply #10109 on: September 07, 2011, 10:21:16 AM »
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what?  no one taking a pass on the opportunity to tell a&m to eff off?

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« Reply #10111 on: September 07, 2011, 10:22:25 AM »
I mean, I think A&M is gone, butI don’t understand why if UT makes concession with the LHN (which it appears they might be willing to do) then why would A&M at that point leave?

Using this argument, why didn't they leave last year when everyone knew about the LHN? I think they're beyond the point of no return and see this as a way of getting out of UT's shadow, no matter the state of the LHN or the Big 12 revenue sharing agreement. This is a way for them to say they aren't little brother any more.

But to UT/OU, I don’t think they want BYU.  I think the reason OU wants out is because as they were on the search committee it became clearer and clearer that under the current structure, no one wants to be a part of this league.  

They might not want BYU, but that doesn't mean that the league can't survive with 9 members, or that they wouldn't consider changing the structure of the league to entice new members.

It has been mentioned before, but I can't get over the irony that Boren mentions they want to leave for a more stable situation, which creates significantly more instability than existed before he opened his mouth.

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« Reply #10112 on: September 07, 2011, 10:23:13 AM »
But to UT/OU, I don’t think they want BYU.  I think the reason OU wants out is because as they were on the search committee it became clearer and clearer that under the current structure, no one wants to be a part of this league. 

I had some hopes that somehow UT and OU could pull things back together and clean up the mess. But I agree, it seems clear that no other decent program wants to be part of this mess. It would just be a matter of time before someone else got upset with Texas and looked to get out.

I don't think it's clear that BYU wouldn't be interested in the Big 12. If that makes sense.

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« Reply #10113 on: September 07, 2011, 10:24:40 AM »
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Big 12 school source said reports today that Baylor has agreed not to sue SEC are inaccurate. "Completely false," the source said.

BE or bust.

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I think he is saying that BU is going to sue.

Seriously dumbasses, at this point, what happens to aTm is irrelevant. They're gone. stop worrying about it. The question is what do OU/UT do. I can still see them keeping the Big 12 afloat at 9 or adding BYU.

 I mean, I think A&M is gone, butI don’t understand why if UT makes concession with the LHN (which it appears they might be willing to do) then why would A&M at that point leave?  They’d have an easy out.  “We’re going back to a big 12 that was different than the one we left.  Everyone’s equal, that wasn’t the case before..blah, blah blah”.   It’s the sole damn reason why no one wants to come to this conference.  You can say it’s butthurt, but the butthurt is driven by UT and symbolized by the LHN.  When/if that goes and a big12 network with equal revenue sharing comes, that wouldn’t be the case.  No one left cares if the (eventual) big 12 title game is in dallas or if the big 12 offices are in dallas.  


But to UT/OU, I don’t think they want BYU.  I think the reason OU wants out is because as they were on the search committee it became clearer and clearer that under the current structure, no one wants to be a part of this league.  


A&M can't do that can they? Didn't that want unequal payout when CU and NU were leaving last year? Well, no matter what A&M is going to look dumb with this move in the long run. The only way they could have looked smart to move to the SEC was to have done it last year; or win the SEC next year. If they don't win the SEC soon, they're just Miss St. 2.0

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« Reply #10114 on: September 07, 2011, 10:29:33 AM »
this is getting goddamned hilarious very, very quickly.

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« Reply #10115 on: September 07, 2011, 10:29:55 AM »
But to UT/OU, I don’t think they want BYU.  I think the reason OU wants out is because as they were on the search committee it became clearer and clearer that under the current structure, no one wants to be a part of this league.  

I had some hopes that somehow UT and OU could pull things back together and clean up the mess. But I agree, it seems clear that no other decent program wants to be part of this mess. It would just be a matter of time before someone else got upset with Texas and looked to get out.

I don't think it's clear that BYU wouldn't be interested in the Big 12. If that makes sense.

BYU won't join the B12.
They've made good relationships in the new Mountain West and won't risk them to join an unstable B12.  If they were to join the B12 and then it falls apart, they have no where to go with all of their other/non-football teams.  They can't afford and won't risk that.


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« Reply #10116 on: September 07, 2011, 10:30:52 AM »
But to UT/OU, I don’t think they want BYU.  I think the reason OU wants out is because as they were on the search committee it became clearer and clearer that under the current structure, no one wants to be a part of this league. 

I had some hopes that somehow UT and OU could pull things back together and clean up the mess. But I agree, it seems clear that no other decent program wants to be part of this mess. It would just be a matter of time before someone else got upset with Texas and looked to get out.

I don't think it's clear that BYU wouldn't be interested in the Big 12. If that makes sense.

BYU won't join the B12.
They've made good relationships in the new Mountain West and won't risk them to join an unstable B12.  If they were to join the B12 and then it falls apart, they have no where to go with all of their other/non-football teams.  They can't afford and won't risk that.

joining the big 12 wouldn't hurt their relationship w/ the new MWC more than going independent already did.

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« Reply #10117 on: September 07, 2011, 10:32:24 AM »
Even if Baylor sues, A&M isn't going to stay, so it's kind of pointless.  Although I'm not against Baylor making their exit as painful as possible, rough ridin' assholes.

As already pointed out, it's not the TV revenue, but the general instability of the conference that's scaring OU off.  I'm not really sure at this point how you could make this conference more stable.  Schools like Mizzou for example would still bolt at first interest from SEC or Big 10, so it's almost like the conference is doomed unless something massive changes to make the Big 12 more desirable to the existing member schools than the Pac, Big 10, or SEC.

Sucks, man.

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« Reply #10118 on: September 07, 2011, 10:32:39 AM »
But to UT/OU, I don’t think they want BYU.  I think the reason OU wants out is because as they were on the search committee it became clearer and clearer that under the current structure, no one wants to be a part of this league.  

I had some hopes that somehow UT and OU could pull things back together and clean up the mess. But I agree, it seems clear that no other decent program wants to be part of this mess. It would just be a matter of time before someone else got upset with Texas and looked to get out.

I don't think it's clear that BYU wouldn't be interested in the Big 12. If that makes sense.

BYU won't join the B12.
They've made good relationships in the new Mountain West and won't risk them to join an unstable B12.  If they were to join the B12 and then it falls apart, they have no where to go with all of their other/non-football teams.  They can't afford and won't risk that.

joining the big 12 wouldn't hurt their relationship w/ the new MWC more than going independent already did.
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« Reply #10119 on: September 07, 2011, 10:33:24 AM »
But to UT/OU, I don’t think they want BYU.  I think the reason OU wants out is because as they were on the search committee it became clearer and clearer that under the current structure, no one wants to be a part of this league.  

I had some hopes that somehow UT and OU could pull things back together and clean up the mess. But I agree, it seems clear that no other decent program wants to be part of this mess. It would just be a matter of time before someone else got upset with Texas and looked to get out.

I don't think it's clear that BYU wouldn't be interested in the Big 12. If that makes sense.

BYU won't join the B12.
They've made good relationships in the new Mountain West and won't risk them to join an unstable B12.  If they were to join the B12 and then it falls apart, they have no where to go with all of their other/non-football teams.  They can't afford and won't risk that.

joining the big 12 wouldn't hurt their relationship w/ the new MWC more than going independent already did.
they're only indy in football.

they aren't members of the Mt. West in other sports either

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« Reply #10120 on: September 07, 2011, 10:34:33 AM »
Holy crap.....we are now way over 10,000  :party: replies in this thread.  That is impressive on so many levels.

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« Reply #10121 on: September 07, 2011, 10:34:57 AM »
But to UT/OU, I don’t think they want BYU.  I think the reason OU wants out is because as they were on the search committee it became clearer and clearer that under the current structure, no one wants to be a part of this league.  

I had some hopes that somehow UT and OU could pull things back together and clean up the mess. But I agree, it seems clear that no other decent program wants to be part of this mess. It would just be a matter of time before someone else got upset with Texas and looked to get out.

I don't think it's clear that BYU wouldn't be interested in the Big 12. If that makes sense.

BYU won't join the B12.
They've made good relationships in the new Mountain West and won't risk them to join an unstable B12.  If they were to join the B12 and then it falls apart, they have no where to go with all of their other/non-football teams.  They can't afford and won't risk that.

joining the big 12 wouldn't hurt their relationship w/ the new MWC more than going independent already did.
they're only indy in football.

they aren't members of the Mt. West in other sports either

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« Reply #10122 on: September 07, 2011, 10:35:05 AM »
Beebe needs to pull another one outta his ass. Texas has to give some more, imo.
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« Reply #10123 on: September 07, 2011, 10:36:24 AM »
Beebe needs to pull another one outta his ass. Texas has to give some more, imo.

Lol @ people who think Beebe had anything to do with last year.
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« Reply #10124 on: September 07, 2011, 10:37:11 AM »
But to UT/OU, I don’t think they want BYU.  I think the reason OU wants out is because as they were on the search committee it became clearer and clearer that under the current structure, no one wants to be a part of this league.  

I had some hopes that somehow UT and OU could pull things back together and clean up the mess. But I agree, it seems clear that no other decent program wants to be part of this mess. It would just be a matter of time before someone else got upset with Texas and looked to get out.

I don't think it's clear that BYU wouldn't be interested in the Big 12. If that makes sense.

BYU won't join the B12.
They've made good relationships in the new Mountain West and won't risk them to join an unstable B12.  If they were to join the B12 and then it falls apart, they have no where to go with all of their other/non-football teams.  They can't afford and won't risk that.

joining the big 12 wouldn't hurt their relationship w/ the new MWC more than going independent already did.
they're only indy in football.

they aren't members of the Mt. West in other sports either

http://www.wccsports.com/#
gee thanks downgrade, that's what i meant.


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