Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[Pete]

It only takes one crazy Billionaire to make crazy things happen in college sports.

[Panjandrum]

i'm interested in hearing one reason why adding any of these programs would give a big 12 team a better shot at the playoff next year and beyond.

I don't think this is about that. The conversation has been hung on before the cfp. I think the stupid return of the championship game was related to the cfp. I think expansion is about money and the appearance of stability. I think Boren being sensitive about some media talking about the supposed instability of the conference is why expansion is still on the table.

I understand that.  I was referring to Panj's post.  Probably should've quoted.

In any event, adding teams does nothing to make the conference more "stable."  The stability of the conference hinges on UT and OU.  Adding BYU/Cincy/Houston or any of the other dorks does nothing to keep them around.  If UT/OU leave after the GOR, then the whole thing blows up, and the stragglers (likely us) will be able to join whatever conference Cincy is in anyways.

But in the mean time, I want to keep the round robin.

I think the biggest thing is access to the playoff.  It's easier to get UT/OU to the playoff if you protect their schedule like the SEC does with Alabama.  Having the round robin plus a CCG is going to make things pretty rough.

I mean, it could be pot-tay-to, po-tah-to.  If we expanded and played nine games and still had a CCG, then maybe we'd be in the same spot.  If we negotiate some sort of package with ESPN/Fox that combines the CCG and the removal of the pro rata that gets us all a big bump, we may be cool.

It has been estimated that the Big 12 CCG would be worth 25-30 million in media rights.  So, let's just say that we get $25 million a year for the CCG and we tell ESPN/Fox that we'll sell them back the pro rata clause for one share of what they were willing to pay ($25 million), and that gets us about $50 million a year to split between our schools. 

Last year, this is what the conferences paid out...

Based on reports by USA Today and the San Jose Mercury-News the payouts from the others are SEC ($31.2 million), Big Ten (30.9 projected), Pac-12 ($25.1) and Big 12 ($23.4).

The ACC paid out something like $26.4.  However, for all of those other conferences, that was their all-in take.  The $23.4 excluded all T3 deals.  With our current deals, even KSU walks away with something that looks more like $27-28 million.  OU and KU walk away with something that looks like $30 million.  Texas?  $38 million.

Now, add that five million, and Texas is already at that $43-45 million threshold on the front end of this deal.  OU will be ahead of most SEC projections.  The only conference that will outpace that majority of our teams is the Big Ten.

I mean, if this is how it all ends up, I'm sure we'll be fine.  And it may increase the likelihood that the Pac 12 may want to look at a joint rights deal as our deals line up.

[sonofdaxjones]

I give it about a 40% chance that the entire college sports landscape from a monetary perspective completely implodes by the time we really have to start worrying about realignment.   

There's a strong possibility that compulsory subscription fees tied to relatively static tv packages will be entirely a thing of the past and it will be entirely or almost entirely ala carte.

[Panjandrum]

LHN lasts longer than the GOR so I'm sure at some point the GOR will be extended to at least match the end date of the LHN.

An extension of the GOR may be a negotiation tactic in us trying to squeeze more money out of the pro rata buyout.  That has crossed my mind.

[Steffy08]

I give it about a 40% chance that the entire college sports landscape from a monetary perspective completely implodes by the time we really have to start worrying about realignment.   

There's a strong possibility that compulsory subscription fees tied to relatively static tv packages will be entirely a thing of the past and it will be entirely or almost entirely ala carte.

This.

1.  The way college football media will be delivered might be changing, and soon.
2.  I think that interest in college football is starting to decrease.

[scottwildcat]

Lol what a crap show.

Is it? This is a regular meeting, you make it seem like the big 12 called a meeting to expand and then got there and changed their minds. We have had indications for a while now that they aren't going to expand, so it seems like a five hour meeting is what would be expected.

I meant more in the sense of how the last 24 hours have gone. BYUtv sending a crew to follow the press conference, the Cincinnati wallpaper thing-y all the will they won't they surrounding this entire thing since July and the announcement of the CCG and the reopening of expansion.

[meow meow]

2.  I think that interest in college football is starting to decrease.

based on what?  ratings aren't down like the nfl

[Pete]

2.  I think that interest in college football is starting to decrease.

based on what?  ratings aren't down like the nfl

Yes they are.

[Skipper44]

hope they're announcing a nu logo or something

[chum1]

https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/788163816534085632

[pissclams]

https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/788163816534085632

hey conference expansion, consider yourself officially mocked  

[catastrophe]

Big 12 just clown suited conference expansion.

[pissclams]

Big 12 just clown suited conference expansion.

yup, the b12 gave CE a facial

[MadCat]

CE deserved it, imo

[Dr Rick Daris]

This just in, BIG 12 trolls conference expansion BIG time. Film at 11.

[MadCat]

We should build a smaller trophy room next to ours for the Big XII's accomplishment.

[Trim]

Are Certificates of Participation warranted here?

[tdaver]

Need to give the CCG the same treatment and we'll be all set.

[MakeItRain]

I haven't watched the press conference yet, did anyone ask about this? They certainly aren't keeping that abomination with a 10 team league are we? I mean this thing is a year away and they don't even know the format yet.

[tdaver]

Boren said it's still on and the ADs are working out the details and will announce later.

[CyberToothCat]

I give it about a 40% chance that the entire college sports landscape from a monetary perspective completely implodes by the time we really have to start worrying about realignment.   

There's a strong possibility that compulsory subscription fees tied to relatively static tv packages will be entirely a thing of the past and it will be entirely or almost entirely ala carte.

I think that at some point, your prediction will be right. But for that to happen in the next eight-ish years? No way. There are WAY too many old people that subscribe to huge pay TV packages for it to die off that quickly.

My parents watch a grand total of about five different channels, but they have DirectTV with about three thousand channels in their lineup. They say they want all those channels so it's easy for them to watch whatever they want, when they want.

The fact that they can never find a channel or show in their massive channel guide is a discussion for a different day. The point is that the only way they'll ever give up their DirectTV is if DirecTV goes out of business. That day may come, but I have to believe it's more that eight years in the future.

I think there are millions upon millions of other old people out there just like them. Streaming is the wave of the future, but it's going to take a long time for the pay tv model to die off.

[deputy dawg]

I give it about a 40% chance that the entire college sports landscape from a monetary perspective completely implodes by the time we really have to start worrying about realignment.   

There's a strong possibility that compulsory subscription fees tied to relatively static tv packages will be entirely a thing of the past and it will be entirely or almost entirely ala carte.

^^^This.

The media market for college football is incredibly inefficient.  You see it when you have the same Big 10 game on 4 different channels on cable.  The fragmentation of content delivery (TV, streaming on different devices, etc.) has the buyers of content (ESPN, Fox, other networks) scrambling to rationalize delivery, and to do this by focusing on content that will maximize potential to provide that content at the most profit.  The existing model only partially achieves that.  Content like the OU-KSU shitshow on Saturday probably won't be considered premium content.  We'll do OK if we can provide premium content, which we aren't doing now. 

[Panjandrum]

I haven't watched the press conference yet, did anyone ask about this? They certainly aren't keeping that abomination with a 10 team league are we? I mean this thing is a year away and they don't even know the format yet.

I thought I read that the AD's were discussing future site details.

They will keep it for the 13th data point and the extra money.

[TheHamburglar]

4 bids were placed to host the game.  3 are KC, San Antonio, and AT&T Stadium.  The 4th is unknown.  I have to think this bid process is a bigger waste of time than the expansion crap-show.  It's going to be at AT&T.

[Panjandrum]

4 bids were placed to host the game.  3 are KC, San Antonio, and AT&T Stadium.  The 4th is unknown.  I have to think this bid process is a bigger waste of time than the expansion crap-show.  It's going to be at AT&T.

And it should be.  Keep it in Dallas and keep the tournament in KC.