Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[Yard Dog]

That was actually pretty legit.

Is that an accurate representation of the ladies on campus /  their dancing skills? Because color me extra impressed.

[420seriouscat69]

This may make people rethink their stance. Probably.

[MakeItRain]

I'd take BYU over pretty much any other Big 12 candidate for football. The SGAs will get over it and move on to the next moral outrage. No one actually cares.

Oh yeah? Interesting.

[That_Guy]

blackcats promised the Arizona schools so I don't know what all this other speculation is all about

He does that a lot


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[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I'd take BYU over pretty much any other Big 12 candidate for football. The SGAs will get over it and move on to the next moral outrage. No one actually cares.

This.

Show me the money >>>>> quashing religious freedom

[tdaver]

I'd take BYU over pretty much any other Big 12 candidate for football. The SGAs will get over it and move on to the next moral outrage. No one actually cares.

This.

Show me the money >>>>> quashing religious freedom

BYU doesn't bring more money than the other options.  The money has been predetermined by the contract.  No matter which 2 or 4 of these trash schools we add, the avg payout per school doesn't change because none of them are worth as much as what current B12 schools are getting.  It doesn't matter.  Might as well pick the easiest to work with.  Or better yet none at all.

[#LIFE]

I'd take BYU over pretty much any other Big 12 candidate for football. The SGAs will get over it and move on to the next moral outrage. No one actually cares.

Oh yeah? Interesting.

Probably should just bomb that whole campus and get rid of all those rough ridin' crackers huh? You racist piece of crap

[michigancat]

I'd take BYU over pretty much any other Big 12 candidate for football. The SGAs will get over it and move on to the next moral outrage. No one actually cares.

This.

Show me the money >>>>> quashing religious freedom

BYU doesn't bring more money than the other options.  The money has been predetermined by the contract.  No matter which 2 or 4 of these trash schools we add, the avg payout per school doesn't change because none of them are worth as much as what current B12 schools are getting.  It doesn't matter.  Might as well pick the easiest to work with.  Or better yet none at all.

Looking just at the specific clause would be wise if we were in the final contract but you need to look past that. BYU definitely sucks but they would add the most value for the long term compared to the other losers we're considering.

[MakeItRain]

I'd take BYU over pretty much any other Big 12 candidate for football. The SGAs will get over it and move on to the next moral outrage. No one actually cares.

Oh yeah? Interesting.

Probably should just bomb that whole campus and get rid of all those rough ridin' crackers huh? You racist piece of crap

[steve dave]

#life goes 0-60 in like 2 seconds

[Tobias]

0-7

[deputy dawg]

I'd take BYU over pretty much any other Big 12 candidate for football. The SGAs will get over it and move on to the next moral outrage. No one actually cares.

This.

Show me the money >>>>> quashing religious freedom

BYU doesn't bring more money than the other options.  The money has been predetermined by the contract.  No matter which 2 or 4 of these trash schools we add, the avg payout per school doesn't change because none of them are worth as much as what current B12 schools are getting.  It doesn't matter.  Might as well pick the easiest to work with.  Or better yet none at all.

Looking just at the specific clause would be wise if we were in the final contract but you need to look past that. BYU definitely sucks but they would add the most value for the long term compared to the other losers we're considering.

Big 12 will need some teams with national appeal in the event that OU, Texas, or both leave.  BYU brings that to the table.  We can't carry the conference alone if OU and Texas leave.  OU has made it clear that they think they belong in some situation better than what they have in the Big 12--it's delusional, but they are the KU of Oklahoma.

[steve dave]

if ou and/or texas leave it doesn't matter who we have in the conference because every available team sucks crap and it's sunbelt city, USA

[ednksu]

LOL at thinking BYU has a national pull that matters.  Yeah we really need to get that awkward white guy great dad demographic.  It will be a real treat for TV ratings when the TV in turned off at 9pm and their game is on at 9pm mountain.

[cfbandyman]

I'd take BYU over pretty much any other Big 12 candidate for football. The SGAs will get over it and move on to the next moral outrage. No one actually cares.

This.

Show me the money >>>>> quashing religious freedom

BYU doesn't bring more money than the other options.  The money has been predetermined by the contract.  No matter which 2 or 4 of these trash schools we add, the avg payout per school doesn't change because none of them are worth as much as what current B12 schools are getting.  It doesn't matter.  Might as well pick the easiest to work with.  Or better yet none at all.

Looking just at the specific clause would be wise if we were in the final contract but you need to look past that. BYU definitely sucks but they would add the most value for the long term compared to the other losers we're considering.

Big 12 will need some teams with national appeal in the event that OU, Texas, or both leave.  BYU brings that to the table.  We can't carry the conference alone if OU and Texas leave.  OU has made it clear that they think they belong in some situation better than what they have in the Big 12--it's delusional, but they are the KU of Oklahoma.

I wouldn't call it delusional, we see it as delusional, OU sees it that they are a big, powerful, relevant university flexing it's ability to exact change how it sees fit. It's ultimately stupid to dilute the conference and think that doing so is for the better, but I actually see it as OU doesn't really want to leave, they want to make this last long term, and best case scenario long term is for OU to get what it wants and what OU wants is two meh teams to make this thing 12. The difference between KU and OU is OU can kill this conference, KU can't but thinks it can, and that's the delusional part.

[Panjandrum]

I don't think OU and UT (universities) want to leave as long as the money is in the ballpark.

UT has a lot of political capital and money on the line with their Houston campus effort.  A lot of politicians are against it because they believe it will either take away from UH undergrad or graduate, depending on what UT wants to do there.  A lot of local representatives in the statehouse are railing against them and the move.  I believe UT already purchased 300 acres in Houston, renderings for the campus have been presented, but they're fighting politicians right now. 

It's theorized that UT's very public support of UH is a way to grease the wheels.  A part of the negotiation there, at least that I've read from the UT side, is that adding Houston to the Big 12 will increase their profile and minimize the impact of the UT campus.  They (UT fans) believe that there's a likelihood that if we add UH, it may come with a GOR extension to ensure that Houston is in a secure Big 12.

Their (paraphrased) words were: "We have a lot of big picture things going on at UT that dwarf what conference our football team plays in, and being in the Big 12 makes it possible."  Some way, some how, Tech is involved here, too, but I couldn't figure out what part they were playing.

The overall sentiment was that UT, Tech, and Houston want to be tied together for whatever this strategy is.

[Panjandrum]

Also, OU (the university) realizes that they won't get this sweet deal in any other conference.  While they have a great athletics program, outside of that, what they have to offer is relatively minimal.

They aren't an outstanding academic institution, they own no major markets, they share a small state with another P5 school, and said school has been attached to them in every potential move that they've been a part of.  On top of that, Oklahoma State is one of four P5 public schools that carry a "Tier 2" designation. (Alabama, Auburn, and Mississippi State are the others).

Oklahoma's path out of the Big 12 is really, really difficult, and there aren't many avenues for them to go.  The Big Ten and Pac 12 already said no.  The SEC is their only likely option, but they aren't taking Oklahoma State.  So, if OU were to try and make that move, it would be a fight unlike anything we've seen thus far in realignment.

[tdaver]

if ou and/or texas leave it doesn't matter who we have in the conference because every available team sucks crap and it's sunbelt city, USA

[MakeItRain]

My God, panjan (CougarCat) is ALL IN for Houston. We could be talking about sour cream and chives and you'll find some Houston to the Big 12 tie. I hope for your sake that they get picked.

[Panjandrum]

My God, panjan (CougarCat) is ALL IN for Houston. We could be talking about sour cream and chives and you'll find some Houston to the Big 12 tie. I hope for your sake that they get picked.

I do like Houston, but I also like Cincinnati.  I'm just more vocal about Houston because people tend to dismiss them, and I think there's a lot there to like.

Someone on shaggytexas said it best about Cincy, "Around the same time, Louisville and Cincy decided to spend a billion dollars.  Louisville did it on athletics, Cincy did it in academics.  Now, they're both trying to make up in the other direction."

I think Cincy can be like Louisville if we supply them the resources, and academically, they can hold their own with the majority of the P5.

I am pro scheduling arrangement with BYU, but against full membership.

I think this conference can be fun with 12 teams, but I've spent way too much time reading about this stuff.  And I think Houston and Cincy can bring a lot to this conference if we give them the resources and let them grow.  I, for one, think playing Houston in football would be great, and having games against Cincinnati in basketball every year would be fantastic.  But, again, that's just me.

[Trim]

I, for one, think playing Houston in football would be great, and having games against Cincinnati in basketball every year would be fantastic.  But, again, that's just me.

Winning is the fun part of sports.

[Gooch]

Houston to the Big XII benefits no one but Houston. No No No more Texas schools.

[POWL]

Houston to the Big XII benefits no one but Houston. No No No more Texas schools.

that's what I thought about TCU and Baylor.........turns out I was right

[KITNfury]

Tune into this week's edition of "Flip This University" featuring ramshackles UH and Cincy! It's full of twists and turns with a surprise ending! Don't miss it!

[cfbandyman]

My God, panjan (CougarCat) is ALL IN for Houston. We could be talking about sour cream and chives and you'll find some Houston to the Big 12 tie. I hope for your sake that they get picked.

I do like Houston, but I also like Cincinnati.  I'm just more vocal about Houston because people tend to dismiss them, and I think there's a lot there to like.

Someone on shaggytexas said it best about Cincy, "Around the same time, Louisville and Cincy decided to spend a billion dollars.  Louisville did it on athletics, Cincy did it in academics.  Now, they're both trying to make up in the other direction."

I think Cincy can be like Louisville if we supply them the resources, and academically, they can hold their own with the majority of the P5.

I am pro scheduling arrangement with BYU, but against full membership.

I think this conference can be fun with 12 teams, but I've spent way too much time reading about this stuff.  And I think Houston and Cincy can bring a lot to this conference if we give them the resources and let them grow.  I, for one, think playing Houston in football would be great, and having games against Cincinnati in basketball every year would be fantastic.  But, again, that's just me.

If I had to pick a favorite, I'd be Cincy, they offer the most potential upside with the least amount of downside, and I'd agree with the Louisville comparison, that in a nutshell is why I'd be good with them. Obviously we should've just picked up Louisville and Cincy right out of the game when we got WVU, but that shipped obviously and ad nauseam has set sail.

Houston to the Big XII benefits no one but Houston. No No No more Texas schools.

that's what I thought about TCU and Baylor.........turns out I was right

Agreed, I'm tired of all these Texas schools being wanted to be added. Just like I like Cincy, is the opposite how I feel about Houston, least amount of upside with the most amount of downside. Somehow I feel though we'll cancel it all out an pick em both.