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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #33150 on: May 18, 2022, 09:55:33 AM »
yes kids want to play and some will leave but if I am a coach at a SEC school I show the kids I want to keep the SEC domination in NFL draft picks and tell the kid to be patient.

Add in the fact SEC schools with a larger NIL budget can keep paying thousands of dollars for kids that have not gotten on the field because of what they have seen in practice vs a school like KSU will need to throw a higher NIL number based only on HS performance and/or limited on field scouting which will be very similar to Tang's gang of 2 ppg, 4 stars transfers.

I don't believe the NCAA can legally enforce a salary cap on NIL and the result is CFB starts down a path similar to the what happened with English soccer clubs but without "official" regulation.

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« Reply #33151 on: May 18, 2022, 11:31:00 AM »
so the question will be if NIL + greyshirt = no limit on scholarships? 

I thought it was more like 120 or so on scholarship at NU or OU before the limit was put in but the above will make it harder to pull late bloomers from TX, GA, FL l, etc when a class is never full

120 is what the scholarship limit was before 85 and they would sign 120 then have a billion "walk ons." There were also no real restrictions on "walk ons" back then so they were just circumventing the supposed 120 limit.

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« Reply #33152 on: May 18, 2022, 12:39:31 PM »
so the question will be if NIL + greyshirt = no limit on scholarships? 

I thought it was more like 120 or so on scholarship at NU or OU before the limit was put in but the above will make it harder to pull late bloomers from TX, GA, FL l, etc when a class is never full

Definitely true.  The OUs and NUs of the day would have at least 200 kids on their teams.  NU used to have a freshman team that would play Jucos to get experience. 

Big programs would stockpile better bodies on their 5th string than a KSU often lined up as starters.  Especially in the skill positions.

Not sure you can do that today with the world of the transfer portal and every game being on TV (in the old days, there were maybe 3 games on a week, period.  It was insane).

120 is what the scholarship limit was before 85 and they would sign 120 then have a billion "walk ons." There were also no real restrictions on "walk ons" back then so they were just circumventing the supposed 120 limit.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #33153 on: May 18, 2022, 12:49:02 PM »
yes kids want to play and some will leave but if I am a coach at a SEC school I show the kids I want to keep the SEC domination in NFL draft picks and tell the kid to be patient.

Add in the fact SEC schools with a larger NIL budget can keep paying thousands of dollars for kids that have not gotten on the field because of what they have seen in practice vs a school like KSU will need to throw a higher NIL number based only on HS performance and/or limited on field scouting which will be very similar to Tang's gang of 2 ppg, 4 stars transfers.

I don't believe the NCAA can legally enforce a salary cap on NIL and the result is CFB starts down a path similar to the what happened with English soccer clubs but without "official" regulation.


I don't think a lot of companies will spend NIL money on players that don't see the field outside of maybe a QB.  I also don't think that players will be happy practicing but not playing year after year.  They could go to KSU and play 2-3 years, prove themselves, then transfer to Bama if they think that helps their NFL stock.

Loosening a bunch of restrictions will inevitably help the bigger programs with nearly unlimited resources, but I don't think this will make a massive difference.  Bama/LSU/OSU/etc may hoard some talent initially but if those players don't have a clear path to the field after a year, a lot will leave. 

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« Reply #33154 on: May 19, 2022, 05:21:22 PM »
Of course, the portal is the saving grace with the unlimited NIL contracts of the blue blood schools.  As it shows with coaches already bickering between themselves in the SEC.  Kids want to play and this is why coaches want to limit athletics from using the portal.  They're talking about windows for transfer times; it's another way to control the movement of talented players.  They want lasting results for their money and stop them from playing at school with lesser funds that can offer "playing time".  The players know there is no other way to get drafted by the NFL without an outstanding record and that can be achieved at nonblue-blood schools.
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« Reply #33155 on: June 01, 2022, 12:11:23 PM »
I’m looking forward to the day when we are in the FCS


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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #33156 on: June 10, 2022, 11:36:58 AM »
Our reinforcements (non-nutjob division) have secured their AAC exits and are officially arriving next year.  We may be at fourteen members for up to two years.

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« Reply #33157 on: June 10, 2022, 11:56:41 AM »
how embarassing will it be for ou/tex to lose to these new schools.  they'll probably pony up and pay whatever to get out next year and avoid the embarassment

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #33158 on: June 10, 2022, 12:04:53 PM »
how embarassing will it be for ou/tex to lose to these new schools.  they'll probably pony up and pay whatever to get out next year and avoid the embarassment
Definitely, no way OU/UT could handle losing to a Houston or Cincinnati.

UT is used to it (Kansas) but OU would implode if they lost to Houston.

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« Reply #33159 on: June 10, 2022, 12:29:43 PM »
So this will be the last year of the Big 12 as we've known it since, 2012?  :cry:

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« Reply #33160 on: June 10, 2022, 01:28:14 PM »
To answer both of your observations, OU lost to Houston just a few years ago and there has never been a tradition in the Big XII.  :facepalm:
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