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« Reply #30700 on: September 18, 2020, 12:52:56 PM »
Arkansas lost the majority of its national football identity when they lost their annual game against Texas.

The Ark-Tx game was once on par with the top rivalry games in the nation.

Arkansas is now utterly irrelevant on the football stage, even in their own conference.

As an aside, nothing beats the comedy of people who believed John Wefald and thought the Big 8 was going to kick K-State out and try to bring in somebody like Arkansas.   If there's one thing NU and OU wanted and that's more competition.




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« Reply #30701 on: September 18, 2020, 03:43:17 PM »
I still think UCF would be great for recruiting, and great for away games.

Imo being a big State or U of should be a prerequisite for B12 poaching w/ exceptions made for national brand privates.
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« Reply #30702 on: September 18, 2020, 07:50:30 PM »
I still think UCF would be great for recruiting, and great for away games.

Imo being a big State or U of should be a prerequisite for B12 poaching w/ exceptions made for national brand privates.

Is UCF a private university?
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« Reply #30703 on: September 18, 2020, 08:05:29 PM »
The idea that there are 30 million schools for grabs is stupid.  I don't remember the ACC, BIG Ten, SEC, or PAC 12 bringing in any high value schools.  Also our great network contract may not renegotiate at the same value as our existing contract.  The long and short of it is we may need two more schools to get a competitive contract and if we sit on our ass like we did last time things may not turn out very good for the conference.
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« Reply #30704 on: September 18, 2020, 11:14:18 PM »
I still think UCF would be great for recruiting, and great for away games.

Imo being a big State or U of should be a prerequisite for B12 poaching w/ exceptions made for national brand privates.

Is UCF a private university?

It’s not a national brand. Well, I guess it’s like great value. No good imo
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« Reply #30705 on: September 18, 2020, 11:25:08 PM »
As long as we keep mushing BYU in their white and delightsome faces, I’m good with whatever. 

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« Reply #30706 on: September 19, 2020, 10:48:31 AM »
The idea that there are 30 million schools for grabs is stupid.  I don't remember the ACC, BIG Ten, SEC, or PAC 12 bringing in any high value schools.  Also our great network contract may not renegotiate at the same value as our existing contract.  The long and short of it is we may need two more schools to get a competitive contract and if we sit on our ass like we did last time things may not turn out very good for the conference.

The Big 10, ACC, and SEC all made expansions to enhance either existing or proposed networks. Adding schools added places where those conferences were played, therefore adding places where cable providers would add the networks, giving those conferences more money. The model has changed, there will be no Big 12 Network and that has nothing to do with LHN. The Big 12 Network is the deal we have with ESPN+

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« Reply #30707 on: September 19, 2020, 05:04:59 PM »
The idea that there are 30 million schools for grabs is stupid.  I don't remember the ACC, BIG Ten, SEC, or PAC 12 bringing in any high value schools.  Also our great network contract may not renegotiate at the same value as our existing contract.  The long and short of it is we may need two more schools to get a competitive contract and if we sit on our ass like we did last time things may not turn out very good for the conference.

The Big 10, ACC, and SEC all made expansions to enhance either existing or proposed networks. Adding schools added places where those conferences were played, therefore adding places where cable providers would add the networks, giving those conferences more money. The model has changed, there will be no Big 12 Network and that has nothing to do with LHN. The Big 12 Network is the deal we have with ESPN+

I should have made my post a little clearer for those who don't know I'm not talking about a Big XII network.  I'm talking about our contract with ESPN and Fox that will expire around 2025.  I think we are lucky to have kept the original network proposed negotiations when we lost four schools and grabbed WVU and TCU.  I'm saying we may not get what we're getting with ten schools.   
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« Reply #30708 on: September 19, 2020, 05:27:08 PM »
As an aside, nothing beats the comedy of people who believed John Wefald and thought the Big 8 was going to kick K-State out and try to bring in somebody like Arkansas.   If there's one thing NU and OU wanted and that's more competition.

The truth is in the middle. There was an informal “vote” to kick K-State out that was 6-1 with KU voting keep. The vote wasn’t binding and everyone knew ahead how KU was voting. It was just to send a message. The message had some context that the conference landscapes were changing. If we didn’t invest in football & conference affiliations were to change, there would be very little fight among the others to bring us along. I knew this when I was a kid in the mid-90s.
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« Reply #30709 on: September 19, 2020, 05:50:59 PM »
As an aside, nothing beats the comedy of people who believed John Wefald and thought the Big 8 was going to kick K-State out and try to bring in somebody like Arkansas.   If there's one thing NU and OU wanted and that's more competition.

The truth is in the middle. There was an informal “vote” to kick K-State out that was 6-1 with KU voting keep. The vote wasn’t binding and everyone knew ahead how KU was voting. It was just to send a message. The message had some context that the conference landscapes were changing. If we didn’t invest in football & conference affiliations were to change, there would be very little fight among the others to bring us along. I knew this when I was a kid in the mid-90s.

If I were a squawk and knew this I’d hold it over our heads until the end of time.
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« Reply #30710 on: September 19, 2020, 06:00:33 PM »
As an aside, nothing beats the comedy of people who believed John Wefald and thought the Big 8 was going to kick K-State out and try to bring in somebody like Arkansas.   If there's one thing NU and OU wanted and that's more competition.

The truth is in the middle. There was an informal “vote” to kick K-State out that was 6-1 with KU voting keep. The vote wasn’t binding and everyone knew ahead how KU was voting. It was just to send a message. The message had some context that the conference landscapes were changing. If we didn’t invest in football & conference affiliations were to change, there would be very little fight among the others to bring us along. I knew this when I was a kid in the mid-90s.

If I were a squawk and knew this I’d hold it over our heads until the end of time.

Maybe. Everyone knew how little we invested in football. If it was a real binding vote, the others might have voted different. It was just their way of putting some teeth behind telling us that if we didn’t invest more in football, then Big8/future conference affiliation with the rest of them wasn’t guaranteed long term. The rest of the Big8 wanted us to stay too. They just wanted to stop having to go to a high school facility to play against a hapless team every year.
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« Reply #30711 on: September 19, 2020, 06:09:15 PM »
As an aside, nothing beats the comedy of people who believed John Wefald and thought the Big 8 was going to kick K-State out and try to bring in somebody like Arkansas.   If there's one thing NU and OU wanted and that's more competition.

The truth is in the middle. There was an informal “vote” to kick K-State out that was 6-1 with KU voting keep. The vote wasn’t binding and everyone knew ahead how KU was voting. It was just to send a message. The message had some context that the conference landscapes were changing. If we didn’t invest in football & conference affiliations were to change, there would be very little fight among the others to bring us along. I knew this when I was a kid in the mid-90s.

If I were a squawk and knew this I’d hold it over our heads until the end of time.

Maybe. Everyone knew how little we invested in football. If it was a real binding vote, the others might have voted different. It was just their way of putting some teeth behind telling us that if we didn’t invest more in football, then Big8/future conference affiliation with the rest of them wasn’t guaranteed long term. The rest of the Big8 wanted us to stay too. They just wanted to stop having to go to a high school facility to play against a hapless team every year.

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« Reply #30712 on: September 19, 2020, 07:08:19 PM »
The idea that there are 30 million schools for grabs is stupid.  I don't remember the ACC, BIG Ten, SEC, or PAC 12 bringing in any high value schools.  Also our great network contract may not renegotiate at the same value as our existing contract.  The long and short of it is we may need two more schools to get a competitive contract and if we sit on our ass like we did last time things may not turn out very good for the conference.

The Big 10, ACC, and SEC all made expansions to enhance either existing or proposed networks. Adding schools added places where those conferences were played, therefore adding places where cable providers would add the networks, giving those conferences more money. The model has changed, there will be no Big 12 Network and that has nothing to do with LHN. The Big 12 Network is the deal we have with ESPN+

I should have made my post a little clearer for those who don't know I'm not talking about a Big XII network.  I'm talking about our contract with ESPN and Fox that will expire around 2025.  I think we are lucky to have kept the original network proposed negotiations when we lost four schools and grabbed WVU and TCU.  I'm saying we may not get what we're getting with ten schools.

The contract we have was finalized in September of 2012, after the conference added WVU and TCU. If we get less money, and it's very possible that happens, it will be because the sports media rights bubble finally popped, not because we only have 10 teams.

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« Reply #30713 on: September 19, 2020, 07:18:48 PM »
As an aside, nothing beats the comedy of people who believed John Wefald and thought the Big 8 was going to kick K-State out and try to bring in somebody like Arkansas.   If there's one thing NU and OU wanted and that's more competition.

The truth is in the middle. There was an informal “vote” to kick K-State out that was 6-1 with KU voting keep. The vote wasn’t binding and everyone knew ahead how KU was voting. It was just to send a message. The message had some context that the conference landscapes were changing. If we didn’t invest in football & conference affiliations were to change, there would be very little fight among the others to bring us along. I knew this when I was a kid in the mid-90s.

If I were a squawk and knew this I’d hold it over our heads until the end of time.

They weren't in much better shape and their basketball program was nothing close to what it is today. Hamburglar mentioned the mid 90's but if this informal vote took place it would have been in the mid to late 80's. Also the timing of this supposed informal vote is important because of the reduction in scholarships. As great of a coach as LHC Bill Snyder was, if the scholarship limit didn't get changed to 85 in 1991, I don't think we ever become what we were.

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« Reply #30714 on: September 19, 2020, 07:21:20 PM »
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« Reply #30715 on: September 19, 2020, 07:23:53 PM »
As an aside, nothing beats the comedy of people who believed John Wefald and thought the Big 8 was going to kick K-State out and try to bring in somebody like Arkansas.   If there's one thing NU and OU wanted and that's more competition.

The truth is in the middle. There was an informal “vote” to kick K-State out that was 6-1 with KU voting keep. The vote wasn’t binding and everyone knew ahead how KU was voting. It was just to send a message. The message had some context that the conference landscapes were changing. If we didn’t invest in football & conference affiliations were to change, there would be very little fight among the others to bring us along. I knew this when I was a kid in the mid-90s.

If I were a squawk and knew this I’d hold it over our heads until the end of time.

They weren't in much better shape and their basketball program was nothing close to what it is today. Hamburglar mentioned the mid 90's but if this informal vote took place it would have been in the mid to late 80's. Also the timing of this supposed informal vote is important because of the reduction in scholarships. As great of a coach as LHC Bill Snyder was, if the scholarship limit didn't get changed to 85 in 1991, I don't think we ever become what we were.

I didn’t mean it happened in the mid-90s, that’s when I was old enough to be told about it & understand. My grandfather was about as well connected as you could get at K-State from the mid-60s to the early-90s.
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« Reply #30716 on: September 19, 2020, 07:35:21 PM »
As an aside, nothing beats the comedy of people who believed John Wefald and thought the Big 8 was going to kick K-State out and try to bring in somebody like Arkansas.   If there's one thing NU and OU wanted and that's more competition.

The truth is in the middle. There was an informal “vote” to kick K-State out that was 6-1 with KU voting keep. The vote wasn’t binding and everyone knew ahead how KU was voting. It was just to send a message. The message had some context that the conference landscapes were changing. If we didn’t invest in football & conference affiliations were to change, there would be very little fight among the others to bring us along. I knew this when I was a kid in the mid-90s.

If I were a squawk and knew this I’d hold it over our heads until the end of time.

They weren't in much better shape and their basketball program was nothing close to what it is today. Hamburglar mentioned the mid 90's but if this informal vote took place it would have been in the mid to late 80's. Also the timing of this supposed informal vote is important because of the reduction in scholarships. As great of a coach as LHC Bill Snyder was, if the scholarship limit didn't get changed to 85 in 1991, I don't think we ever become what we were.

I didn’t mean it happened in the mid-90s, that’s when I was old enough to be told about it & understand. My grandfather was about as well connected as you could get at K-State from the mid-60s to the early-90s.

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« Reply #30717 on: September 20, 2020, 12:29:16 PM »
As an aside, nothing beats the comedy of people who believed John Wefald and thought the Big 8 was going to kick K-State out and try to bring in somebody like Arkansas.   If there's one thing NU and OU wanted and that's more competition.

The truth is in the middle. There was an informal “vote” to kick K-State out that was 6-1 with KU voting keep. The vote wasn’t binding and everyone knew ahead how KU was voting. It was just to send a message. The message had some context that the conference landscapes were changing. If we didn’t invest in football & conference affiliations were to change, there would be very little fight among the others to bring us along. I knew this when I was a kid in the mid-90s.

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« Reply #30718 on: September 20, 2020, 12:31:25 PM »
As an aside, nothing beats the comedy of people who believed John Wefald and thought the Big 8 was going to kick K-State out and try to bring in somebody like Arkansas.   If there's one thing NU and OU wanted and that's more competition.

The truth is in the middle. There was an informal “vote” to kick K-State out that was 6-1 with KU voting keep. The vote wasn’t binding and everyone knew ahead how KU was voting. It was just to send a message. The message had some context that the conference landscapes were changing. If we didn’t invest in football & conference affiliations were to change, there would be very little fight among the others to bring us along. I knew this when I was a kid in the mid-90s.

If I were a squawk and knew this I’d hold it over our heads until the end of time.

They weren't in much better shape and their basketball program was nothing close to what it is today. Hamburglar mentioned the mid 90's but if this informal vote took place it would have been in the mid to late 80's. Also the timing of this supposed informal vote is important because of the reduction in scholarships. As great of a coach as LHC LHC Bill Snyder was, if the scholarship limit didn't get changed to 85 in 1991, I don't think we ever become what we were.

I didn’t mean it happened in the mid-90s, that’s when I was old enough to be told about it & understand. My grandfather was about as well connected as you could get at K-State from the mid-60s to the early-90s.

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« Reply #30719 on: September 20, 2020, 02:52:03 PM »
As an aside, nothing beats the comedy of people who believed John Wefald and thought the Big 8 was going to kick K-State out and try to bring in somebody like Arkansas.   If there's one thing NU and OU wanted and that's more competition.

The truth is in the middle. There was an informal “vote” to kick K-State out that was 6-1 with KU voting keep. The vote wasn’t binding and everyone knew ahead how KU was voting. It was just to send a message. The message had some context that the conference landscapes were changing. If we didn’t invest in football & conference affiliations were to change, there would be very little fight among the others to bring us along. I knew this when I was a kid in the mid-90s.

If I were a squawk and knew this I’d hold it over our heads until the end of time.
This is laughable in the context that, for example: KU was the other team in the Toilet Bowl.  They sucked as well and they were making no investment in football.  Iowa State sucked.  Ostate was mediocre and about to hit the skids because Pat Jones was cheating his ass off and got caught. 

If such a vote took place, it was by every definition, symbolic, as you said.  Hell even CU sucked ass for the majority of the 80’s.   

All you had to do was see the look on Tom Osborne’s face when NU was told they had to play OU again in the Orange Bowl.  At their core they wanted zero additional competition in the Big 8. 

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« Reply #30720 on: September 21, 2020, 08:53:47 AM »
As an aside, nothing beats the comedy of people who believed John Wefald and thought the Big 8 was going to kick K-State out and try to bring in somebody like Arkansas.   If there's one thing NU and OU wanted and that's more competition.

The truth is in the middle. There was an informal “vote” to kick K-State out that was 6-1 with KU voting keep. The vote wasn’t binding and everyone knew ahead how KU was voting. It was just to send a message. The message had some context that the conference landscapes were changing. If we didn’t invest in football & conference affiliations were to change, there would be very little fight among the others to bring us along. I knew this when I was a kid in the mid-90s.

If I were a squawk and knew this I’d hold it over our heads until the end of time.

They weren't in much better shape and their basketball program was nothing close to what it is today. Hamburglar mentioned the mid 90's but if this informal vote took place it would have been in the mid to late 80's. Also the timing of this supposed informal vote is important because of the reduction in scholarships. As great of a coach as LHC LHC Bill Snyder was, if the scholarship limit didn't get changed to 85 in 1991, I don't think we ever become what we were.

I didn’t mean it happened in the mid-90s, that’s when I was old enough to be told about it & understand. My grandfather was about as well connected as you could get at K-State from the mid-60s to the early-90s.

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« Reply #30721 on: September 21, 2020, 12:07:11 PM »
As an aside, nothing beats the comedy of people who believed John Wefald and thought the Big 8 was going to kick K-State out and try to bring in somebody like Arkansas.   If there's one thing NU and OU wanted and that's more competition.

The truth is in the middle. There was an informal “vote” to kick K-State out that was 6-1 with KU voting keep. The vote wasn’t binding and everyone knew ahead how KU was voting. It was just to send a message. The message had some context that the conference landscapes were changing. If we didn’t invest in football & conference affiliations were to change, there would be very little fight among the others to bring us along. I knew this when I was a kid in the mid-90s.

If I were a squawk and knew this I’d hold it over our heads until the end of time.
This is laughable in the context that, for example: KU was the other team in the Toilet Bowl.  They sucked as well and they were making no investment in football.  Iowa State sucked.  Ostate was mediocre and about to hit the skids because Pat Jones was cheating his ass off and got caught. 

If such a vote took place, it was by every definition, symbolic, as you said.  Hell even CU sucked ass for the majority of the 80’s.   

All you had to do was see the look on Tom Osborne’s face when NU was told they had to play OU again in the Orange Bowl.  At their core they wanted zero additional competition in the Big 8.

Now, imagine I’m a squawk and you just rattled all that crap off at me irl, then I came back with the BCS bowl win and all-time head to head smack.

It’s an absolutely perfect arrow for the squawk quiver.
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« Reply #30723 on: September 24, 2020, 09:56:43 PM »
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« Reply #30724 on: September 25, 2020, 12:07:02 AM »
Would take

The "smart" ones ITT would not take due to the 30 million qualifier.
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