Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[ArchE_Cat]

Or the Pac doesn't want OU without TX....

This because the PAC-14 has to have 4 central time zone teams to make the Pods work. OU would be stupid to go to a PAC-14 w/ OSU. Only way PAC-12 goes to 14 teams is by picking up two teams from the Mountain or Pacific time zones, and dem's slim pickin's. Also, could isolate PAC if other conferences go to 16 teams.

If OU wants to go west bad enough and the Scott wants 16 bad enough, two other Big 12 teams have to be involved. UT is the big fish, but they won't give up the LHN cash.

[catzacker]

Why wouldn’t ou/osu go to the sec as the 14th and 15th members (w/ wvu as the 13th)?  They might be scared of sec, but they’d make money and their division/pod wouldn’t be anything more difficult than having to get past UT every year to “advance”.  UT would then be royally f’d because they’d have to go indy and then try to compete against the best conf in america pillaging texas.  Because OU wouldn’t need the RRR at that point and quite frankly it’d be stupid for them to play that game in the SEC.  

[Pete]

ClayTravisBGID Clay Travis
by dennisdoddcbs
Why West Virginia to the SEC won't happen. bit.ly/oX9JBz
5 minutes ago

[michigancat]

How in the world would ESPN and UT just let the LHN "fold" into this?:

http://cliffkirkpatrick.mvourtown.com/2011/07/27/pac-12-network-details/

[steve dave]

As the landscape changes, you have to change with it

[kso_FAN]

I just assume everything is a smokescreen until something officially happens.

That's pretty much where I've been the past month. There is so much info being leaked b/c people in power have figured out the wacked out twitter/media world. The information is so plentiful and coming from so many sources that you don't know what to believe, and I think that's exactly how most of the people in charge want it to be.

The other part that is funny in all this is how weak and unnecessary the NCAA looks in all of this. While they slowly helped create a monster in the NCAA tournament over the last 50 years (and their major fundraiser), they did nothing to the bowl system, largely b/c of the power of the major bowls. Finally the conferences took over with the Bowl Coalition, then Bowl Alliance, then BCS and now the NCAA is powerless as the presidents and leagues rework themselves to make a football playoff happen. Then they look even worse with the "punishments" they've handed out lately to traditional powers.

At some point does football and conference realignment finally eliminate the need for the NCAA? And is that good or bad for a school like K-State?

[Skipper44]

Why wouldn’t ou/osu go to the sec

There has been almost no ou/osu to sec talk since last summer - maybe the one lucid thought OU had was "whoa, we want no part of the SEC West"

[michigancat]

As the landscape changes, you have to change with it

he and mack are just mouthpieces.

[steve dave]

At some point does football and conference realignment finally eliminate the need for the NCAA? And is that good or bad for a school like K-State?

It would come down to the haves v. have nots even more than it already is.  and, we definately have not. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I just assume everything is a smokescreen until something officially happens.

That's pretty much where I've been the past month. There is so much info being leaked b/c people in power have figured out the wacked out twitter/media world. The information is so plentiful and coming from so many sources that you don't know what to believe, and I think that's exactly how most of the people in charge want it to be.

The other part that is funny in all this is how weak and unnecessary the NCAA looks in all of this. While they slowly helped create a monster in the NCAA tournament over the last 50 years (and their major fundraiser), they did nothing to the bowl system, largely b/c of the power of the major bowls. Finally the conferences took over with the Bowl Coalition, then Bowl Alliance, then BCS and now the NCAA is powerless as the presidents and leagues rework themselves to make a football playoff happen. Then they look even worse with the "punishments" they've handed out lately to traditional powers.

At some point does football and conference realignment finally eliminate the need for the NCAA? And is that good or bad for a school like K-State?

There will still be an NCAA for schools that don't go do their own thing. If 64 schools leave the NCAA and K-State is not one of them, the NCAA will still be around and K-State will be a part of it. It will basically be like an expansion of 1AA football.

[SkinnyBenny]

I don't know anything about the whoozits and whatzits of the law or whatever, but wouldn't a 64-team breakoff that excludes other teams from even having a shot at the national championship be ridiculously illegal somehow?  Anti-trust or something?  We need to talk about that.  There'd have to be a way to get at least one of the Left Behind conference teams into the playoff mix to avoid massive lawsuits, right?

And even if it's not illegal, it's still sucky.  This sucks.  And it's mean to the little guys.

Thought of something else.  Excluding the little guise is not just unfair and mean, it's sucky.  People love March Madness because there is the occasional upset.  That's what people tune in for.  I'm not saying a 16-team football playoff should be comprised of half Cinderellas, because it shouldn't, but it should at least be ABLE to happen once in a while.  Remember how awesome it was when Utah beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl?

[michigancat]

I don't think the NCAA just goes away. I think the NCAA really helps its members exploit free student labor.

[kso_FAN]

There will still be an NCAA for schools that don't go do their own thing. If 64 schools leave the NCAA and K-State is not one of them, the NCAA will still be around and K-State will be a part of it. It will basically be like an expansion of 1AA football.

Yeah, this could end up being some weird modern version of the NIT vs the NCAA tournaments of the 50s/60s that the NCAA eventually won out. Its highly unlikely they'd win out this time, but then what happens with basketball? And does that even matter?

[ArchE_Cat]

As the landscape changes, you have to change with it

"If the horse is dead, dismount"

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't know anything about the whoozits and whatzits of the law or whatever, but wouldn't a 64-team breakoff that excludes other teams from even having a shot at the national championship be ridiculously illegal somehow?  Anti-trust or something?  We need to talk about that.  There'd have to be a way to get at least one of the Left Behind conference teams into the playoff mix to avoid massive lawsuits, right?

And even if it's not illegal, it's still sucky.  This sucks.  And it's mean to the little guys.

Thought of something else.  Excluding the little guise is not just unfair and mean, it's sucky.  People love March Madness because there is the occasional upset.  That's what people tune in for.  I'm not saying a 16-team football playoff should be comprised of half Cinderellas, because it shouldn't, but it should at least be ABLE to happen once in a while.  Remember how awesome it was when Utah beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl?

College basketball would be completely ruined by all of this.

[catzacker]

I just assume everything is a smokescreen until something officially happens.

That's pretty much where I've been the past month. There is so much info being leaked b/c people in power have figured out the wacked out twitter/media world. The information is so plentiful and coming from so many sources that you don't know what to believe, and I think that's exactly how most of the people in charge want it to be.

The other part that is funny in all this is how weak and unnecessary the NCAA looks in all of this. While they slowly helped create a monster in the NCAA tournament over the last 50 years (and their major fundraiser), they did nothing to the bowl system, largely b/c of the power of the major bowls. Finally the conferences took over with the Bowl Coalition, then Bowl Alliance, then BCS and now the NCAA is powerless as the presidents and leagues rework themselves to make a football playoff happen. Then they look even worse with the "punishments" they've handed out lately to traditional powers.

At some point does football and conference realignment finally eliminate the need for the NCAA? And is that good or bad for a school like K-State?

I’m not sure this ever happens.  For a variety of reasons, but first and foremost, if 64 teams “break off” from the ncaa, they will effectlvely create an “exclusive” system which will most certainly get congress involved.  It would most certainly inovlve anti-trust litigation.  The BCS is “inclusive” because it allows for avenues of those outside the “bcs” to gain access.  And what does it do to the ncaa basketball tournament?  Those schools wouldn’t/couldn’t be “half members” of the ncaa.  No way the ncaa gives that thing up w/out a fight (i.e. litigation).  The ncaa may shift or realign itself with how the world works, but it won’t go away.  

[mcmwcat]

ClayTravisBGID Clay Travis
by dennisdoddcbs
Why West Virginia to the SEC won't happen. bit.ly/oX9JBz
5 minutes ago

7. Missouri and Kansas are both more attractive to the SEC.

I believe that Missouri, barring Big Ten pursuit, will be the SEC's 14th school.

But if Missouri doesn't work oout don't forget about Kansas. The Jayhawks would have no other options other than remaining in a reworked Big 12/Big East. Could Kansas be an attractive addition to the SEC? Yes, potentially.

Missouri would be the first choice of the Big 12 schools, but Kansas is a much better addition than West Virginia would be.

...

and thus KSU 
 

[kso_FAN]

I’m not sure this ever happens.  For a variety of reasons, but first and foremost, if 64 teams “break off” from the ncaa, they will effectlvely create an “exclusive” system which will most certainly get congress involved.  It would most certainly inovlve anti-trust litigation.  The BCS is “inclusive” because it allows for avenues of those outside the “bcs” to gain access.  And what does it do to the ncaa basketball tournament?  Those schools wouldn’t/couldn’t be “half members” of the ncaa.  No way the ncaa gives that thing up w/out a fight (i.e. litigation).  The ncaa may shift or realign itself with how the world works, but it won’t go away.  

I can see this happening as well, but then I wonder if the leagues will come back to the NCAA and let them have a share in running the tournament and it ends up like the FCS tournament. FCS has 126 teams and 20 slots for theres (from 14 leagues or something like that, 10 AQs), so there is a model already in place.

Just tryinig to think through if (when) the football playoff goes down, where do we go from there. And if that is the case, is there still a slot or two left for non-superconf schools or whatever with qualifications similar to what is in place now for non-BCS league schools.

[Ira Hayes]

NCAA turns into the NAIA.  

[pissclams]

the Mountain West is calling.  

[Ira Hayes]

The AAU is exclusive.  Where is congress on that?

[OregonSmock]

This is awesome.

[TheHamburglar]

This is awesome.

Where'd you get that statue?

["storm"nut]

This is awesome.

MODS please save this for re-use in 2 weeks.

[Panjandrum]

ClayTravisBGID Clay Travis
by dennisdoddcbs
Why West Virginia to the SEC won't happen. bit.ly/oX9JBz
5 minutes ago

I think a lot of what Travis says is right, but some of it is skewed by personal preference.  The ACC is locked down.  They wouldn't have unanimously voted to increase their buyout by almost ten million and agreed, unanimously, to expand unless they were really wanting to make this happen.  They are in the midst of creating a basketball super-monster, especially if they add UConn.  ESPN is going to rework their deal.  That will happen.  What they need is an increased football presence because they are the second weakest BCS conference, even after this addition.  WVU would help that.  So, I think they would be in play there.

Mizzou really is the belle of the ball right now for any conference that's east of the Mississippi, presuming UT goes to the Pac with OU.  They are, by far, the most attractive free agent.  The SEC WILL want them.  They WILL allow them to dictate terms.  Part of those terms will be Kansas.  And part of Kansas' terms will be Kansas State.

Now, is a WVU add more attractive to the SEC than KU/KSU/MU?  9.5 million new TVs, built in rivalries, and not entirely a bad geographic fit? Teams academically on par with what they currently have?

I mean, it's something to think about.  There aren't many 'state' or private schools left on the table for a conference like the SEC.  Do you want a 'city' college?  A directional school?  These are university presidents we're talking about.  If the four schools go to the Pac, and the ACC holds together, the three of us joining A&M isn't the worst idea ever given the alternative.

The SEC is pot committed at this point.  They have a 13th member sitting in limbo.  Clay Travis is wrong that the SEC can wait.  They can't wait.  The Pac-12 isn't waiting.  The ACC isn't waiting.  After those two conferences expand and fortify, the SEC and Big Ten will be fighting over scraps, and the three of us, bundled together, are not horrible scraps.