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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #100 on: February 10, 2015, 04:43:02 PM »
Years ago I wrote out a comparison of KU and KSU basketball history on the eve of the two teams' 1988 Elite Eight game. They were very comparable, with KSU having the edge in certain areas like #1 rankings and NCAA appearances (IIRC). Fatty used that post as his signature for a while...

But, my god, when KU has Roy Williams as coach and KSU has Asbury and Wooldridge as coaches, your programs are going to go in opposite directions. Fast.

(On the eve of the 1988 Elite Eight game, KSU vs. KU)- - -[NCAA Appearances: KSU (18) - KU (18)]- - -[Sweet 16: KSU (16) - KU (13)]- - -[Elite 8: KSU (11) - KU (11)]- - -[Final 4: KSU (4) - KU (6)]- - -[Nat'l Champ: KSU (0) - KU (1)]- - -[Weeks Ranked #1: KSU (8) - KU (9)]- - -[Weeks in Top 5: KSU (62) - KU (49)]- - -[Weeks in Top 10: KSU (89) - KU (139)]- - -[Final Top 10: KSU (7) - KU (10)]- - -[Final #1: KSU (1) - KU (0)]- - -[Big 8 Champs: KSU (10) - KU (8)]- - -[Big 7 Champs: KSU (5) - KU (5)]- - -[KSU vs KU (Big 8): 39-37]- - -[KSU vs KU (Big 7): 13-15]- -


Seeing all that is still infuriating

Larry teaching KU how to bagman is what killed us. Was Hartman a clean coach, I am under the impression he was.

Heard that Jack and Tex had their ways to get players. To bad went couldn't stay in that coaching tree. 

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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #101 on: February 10, 2015, 04:46:47 PM »
I just want to know why we haven't claimed the national title we ended the year ranked #1

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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #102 on: February 10, 2015, 05:06:11 PM »
The reason Lon left is because we put all of our eggs in the football basket. Lon felt he wasn't getting the money/support he needed to maintain or push the program to the next level. Im pretty close with the entire Kruger bunch and this was mentioned multiple times by Lon over the years.

And to whoever mentioned Rettiger: I was in AFH for the 1989 game where Henson went crazy bombing threes (Kevin Pritchard also had a play where he drove the lane and slammed in the face of er'ybody. Henson let him go at the free throw line and as the crowd went nuts, Cats pushed the ball on two passes to Henson who drained about a 27 footer to take back the lead).

Oh yea, Rettiige.. That idiot, late in the game received a beautiful no look from Henson and instead of slamming, he clanged it off the back rim. Alonzo whathisname, got the outlet and slammed it to push the lead to three. End of game.

I dislike Rettiger for that 15 seconds that ruined my day.

Was a great game tho.


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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #103 on: February 10, 2015, 05:10:27 PM »
One must not forget that Eddie Sutton begged for the K-State job after Kruger left, and that K-State all but had Tubby Smith signed, but he had a last second change of mind.

We had him. But they were afraid he was a "risk". Such pussies in the administration. Of course he was a risk. A risk to get drunk after winning a conference title, a game, a regional final. Yea.

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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #104 on: February 10, 2015, 05:19:59 PM »
great info william the wildcat.

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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #105 on: February 10, 2015, 05:21:45 PM »
Why did Lon Kruger leave KSU??

Because we are Kansas State basketball and we don't get to have nice things very long.

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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #106 on: February 10, 2015, 06:42:47 PM »
Kansasooner told me that he thought Kruger talks like he's had a stroke.

Do you agree?

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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #107 on: February 10, 2015, 06:45:15 PM »
Kansasooner told me that he thought Kruger talks like he's had a stroke.

Do you agree?

he has a lisp.  he talks like he just got dentures.


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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #108 on: February 10, 2015, 06:59:52 PM »
Did Lon leave K-State because he had a stroke and everyone thought it was just a lisp?

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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #109 on: February 10, 2015, 07:54:57 PM »
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« Reply #110 on: February 10, 2015, 08:00:39 PM »
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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #111 on: February 11, 2015, 05:08:57 AM »
williamthewildcat,

What was the deal with Isaiah Rider and Altman?  Wasn't that part of the reason Dana got hired?  There's a story there.

Also, speaking of Henson bombing threes, I still remember vividly the 1998 game in Kemper where Henson drained about a 30 footer from mid court because he was feelin it in route to our twenty point beat down if the Hawks in the Big 8 tourney.  God, I loved Henson and Richmond.

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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #112 on: February 11, 2015, 08:45:28 AM »
While I certainly agree that Lon was non-to-pleased with all kinds of funds being channeled towards football . . . the fact that he and Steve Miller didn't get along was also a huge factor in his leaving K-State.   The story I had always heard was that Lon was just going to try and used Florida as leverage for money at K-State, but that Miller told the media that Kruger was gone.   I still remember a TV interview with Kruger right when it all went down and he was not very happy for a guy who just took a job for more money at Florida.

It all changed when KU hired Larry Brown and brought the "Carolina Way" with the bag men, and the agents.   Hartman used assistant coaching hires to develop pipelines and of course I'm sure there were other little minor shenanigans going on at K-State, but it was no match for ku whose entire history of the "godfathers" was only put on steroids once Brown was hired.   Both Self and Calipari were assistants under Brown at ku.




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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #114 on: February 11, 2015, 10:36:05 AM »
While I certainly agree that Lon was non-to-pleased with all kinds of funds being channeled towards football . . . the fact that he and Steve Miller didn't get along was also a huge factor in his leaving K-State.   The story I had always heard was that Lon was just going to try and used Florida as leverage for money at K-State, but that Miller told the media that Kruger was gone.   I still remember a TV interview with Kruger right when it all went down and he was not very happy for a guy who just took a job for more money at Florida.

It all changed when KU hired Larry Brown and brought the "Carolina Way" with the bag men, and the agents.   Hartman used assistant coaching hires to develop pipelines and of course I'm sure there were other little minor shenanigans going on at K-State, but it was no match for ku whose entire history of the "godfathers" was only put on steroids once Brown was hired.   Both Self and Calipari were assistants under Brown at ku.

I'm interested in hearing more about KU's unsavory pursuits.
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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #115 on: February 11, 2015, 10:46:54 AM »
While I certainly agree that Lon was non-to-pleased with all kinds of funds being channeled towards football . . . the fact that he and Steve Miller didn't get along was also a huge factor in his leaving K-State.   The story I had always heard was that Lon was just going to try and used Florida as leverage for money at K-State, but that Miller told the media that Kruger was gone.   I still remember a TV interview with Kruger right when it all went down and he was not very happy for a guy who just took a job for more money at Florida.

It all changed when KU hired Larry Brown and brought the "Carolina Way" with the bag men, and the agents.   Hartman used assistant coaching hires to develop pipelines and of course I'm sure there were other little minor shenanigans going on at K-State, but it was no match for ku whose entire history of the "godfathers" was only put on steroids once Brown was hired.   Both Self and Calipari were assistants under Brown at ku.

You can see through Self, Calipari and Brown how cheating has developed. They are on a completely different level. Jim Boeheim has his car dealership friend, Coach K is a classic money envelope guy. But Self and Calipari are out running this Agent - Handler - Recruit cash cycle.

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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #116 on: February 11, 2015, 11:04:59 AM »
It's really not hard to pull off shenanigans and the only way you can be caught is if somebody snitches. 





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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #117 on: February 11, 2015, 11:06:37 AM »
I'm learning so much KSU history ITT.

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« Reply #118 on: February 11, 2015, 11:11:15 AM »
You guys better hope beems doesn't see this thread

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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #119 on: February 11, 2015, 11:13:47 AM »
You guys better hope beems doesn't see this thread

It's @OregonSmock and I hope he comes in here and sets the record straight.   Lotta :jeffy: going on.

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« Reply #120 on: February 11, 2015, 11:29:49 AM »
You guys better hope beems doesn't see this thread

It's @OregonSmock and I hope he comes in here and sets the record straight.   Lotta :jeffy: going on.

Why do so many ku people fail to accept reality?   You should see all the dumbfounded, shellshocked "Carolina Way" people mumbling and sputtering their way through trying to explain why what happened at UNC wasn't really that bad.   If you really want to believe that Bill Self and Calipari and others land the talent they do simply because the kid is all motored up by the "tradition" and that fanbase boner giving pre-game intro video . . . knock yourself out.   Tons of schools have nice facilities and nice places to live. 

I'll readily admit agent-player shenanigans were in play for guys like Beasley and Bill Walker, and that the NCAA looked into it, but nobody would snitch.l

Self and his lil BFF developer buddy have a nice little gig going (amongst multiple facets of the operation) . . . enjoy it ku fans.






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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #121 on: February 11, 2015, 11:35:51 AM »
You guys better hope beems doesn't see this thread

It's @OregonSmock and I hope he comes in here and sets the record straight.   Lotta :jeffy: going on.

Why do so many ku people fail to accept reality?   You should see all the dumbfounded, shellshocked "Carolina Way" people mumbling and sputtering their way through trying to explain why what happened at UNC wasn't really that bad.   If you really want to believe that Bill Self and Calipari and others land the talent they do simply because the kid is all motored up by the "tradition" and that fanbase boner giving pre-game intro video . . . knock yourself out.   Tons of schools have nice facilities and nice places to live. 

I'll readily admit agent-player shenanigans were in play for guys like Beasley and Bill Walker, and that the NCAA looked into it, but nobody would snitch.l

Self and his lil BFF developer buddy have a nice little gig going (amongst multiple facets of the operation) . . . enjoy it ku fans.

It is the shear breadth of the apparent conspiracy that makes you sound paranoid.  I doubt Self himself has much knowledge of any shenanigans, much less is personally orchestrating it. 

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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #122 on: February 11, 2015, 11:37:15 AM »
You guys better hope beems doesn't see this thread

It's @OregonSmock and I hope he comes in here and sets the record straight.   Lotta :jeffy: going on.

Why do so many ku people fail to accept reality?   You should see all the dumbfounded, shellshocked "Carolina Way" people mumbling and sputtering their way through trying to explain why what happened at UNC wasn't really that bad.   If you really want to believe that Bill Self and Calipari and others land the talent they do simply because the kid is all motored up by the "tradition" and that fanbase boner giving pre-game intro video . . . knock yourself out.   Tons of schools have nice facilities and nice places to live. 

I'll readily admit agent-player shenanigans were in play for guys like Beasley and Bill Walker, and that the NCAA looked into it, but nobody would snitch.l

Self and his lil BFF developer buddy have a nice little gig going (amongst multiple facets of the operation) . . . enjoy it ku fans.

It is the shear breadth of the apparent conspiracy that makes you sound paranoid.  I doubt Self himself has much knowledge of any shenanigans, much less is personally orchestrating it.

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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #123 on: February 11, 2015, 11:40:04 AM »
You guys better hope beems doesn't see this thread

It's @OregonSmock and I hope he comes in here and sets the record straight.   Lotta :jeffy: going on.

Why do so many ku people fail to accept reality?   You should see all the dumbfounded, shellshocked "Carolina Way" people mumbling and sputtering their way through trying to explain why what happened at UNC wasn't really that bad.   If you really want to believe that Bill Self and Calipari and others land the talent they do simply because the kid is all motored up by the "tradition" and that fanbase boner giving pre-game intro video . . . knock yourself out.   Tons of schools have nice facilities and nice places to live. 

I'll readily admit agent-player shenanigans were in play for guys like Beasley and Bill Walker, and that the NCAA looked into it, but nobody would snitch.l

Self and his lil BFF developer buddy have a nice little gig going (amongst multiple facets of the operation) . . . enjoy it ku fans.

It is the shear breadth of the apparent conspiracy that makes you sound paranoid.  I doubt Self himself has much knowledge of any shenanigans, much less is personally orchestrating it.
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Re: why did kruger leave k-state?
« Reply #124 on: February 11, 2015, 11:41:56 AM »
You guys better hope beems doesn't see this thread

It's @OregonSmock and I hope he comes in here and sets the record straight.   Lotta :jeffy: going on.

Why do so many ku people fail to accept reality?   You should see all the dumbfounded, shellshocked "Carolina Way" people mumbling and sputtering their way through trying to explain why what happened at UNC wasn't really that bad.   If you really want to believe that Bill Self and Calipari and others land the talent they do simply because the kid is all motored up by the "tradition" and that fanbase boner giving pre-game intro video . . . knock yourself out.   Tons of schools have nice facilities and nice places to live. 

I'll readily admit agent-player shenanigans were in play for guys like Beasley and Bill Walker, and that the NCAA looked into it, but nobody would snitch.l

Self and his lil BFF developer buddy have a nice little gig going (amongst multiple facets of the operation) . . . enjoy it ku fans.

It is the shear breadth of the apparent conspiracy that makes you sound paranoid.  I doubt Self himself has much knowledge of any shenanigans, much less is personally orchestrating it.
Dude, the ticket deal with Pump N Run stank to high heaven but only a couple of AD flunkies took the fall  - you need to revel in it, not deny it

I'm really not here to defend all things KU, but what does employee theft and/or embezzlement have to do with this?  I can't wait to see the tenuous leap you make...