Back on the Marc; TCU ADV

[Kat Kid]

I just want Foster to get more meaningful touches

YES

[kso_FAN]

I just want Foster to get more meaningful touches

YES

I'm on board with this. His %Poss and %Shots are both down this year and that should not be the case.

[Skipper44]

The lesson learned from 2012 is even with good players it took having 4 legit 3 pt shooters on the floor with Shane at the 4 for oscar's system to work.  We often don't have that due to JT, Nino or Malek's presence on the floor. 

It is too bad Nino's bouncy rainbow is only good out to 18 ft and he has to go back to that flat footed push shot like the one put up last night.

[MakeItRain]

oscar is usually pretty good at putting in wrinkles for us to adapt to. But we run the offense like garbage, so adding wrinkles would complex our current problems.

Yeah, its easy to just say "oscar sucks", but I think he's proven to be a pretty good offensive coach. I just think he either is having troubles reaching this group, or this group can't handle what the staff is trying to put in. Probably a combination of the two.
 
And he and Lowrey have always made pressure defense a point of emphasis and they aren't going to let it be as terrible as it has been this year, especially the crap we put on the floor in Hawaii.

Who is just saying "oscar sucks?" No one. I think the consensus is that oscar is stubborn and inflexible, none of that is news.

[Mixed-Nutz]

He usually calls out sequences to run during the games. I know oscar and Lowery aren't easy on the players at times. For instances after the timeouts the team is told three offensive sets to run against man and zone. Then they need to read the defense and running the plays in sequence. Bob Knight has said it truly takes players 2 years to be able to learn a motion offense.

Right.  I'm saying oscar should not be having the players perform this many reads right now.  They need to run more quick-hitters/set plays.

Probably so, but this is fundamental to oscar's philosophy (or any true motion coach). They are going to stick with teaching the system and options of the offense so the players can run it and not have to "rely" on sets. They'll have some stuff for end of game, end of shot clock, and getting certain players shots, but the motion is going to carry (sometimes later than sooner) the team. I'm sure oscar believes firmly that in the long run teaching the offense this way is the best for the program. And with time restrictions, I don't believe you can teach a bunch of sets and teach a true motion offense and be good at either one.

The questions about motion offenses is it more effective in the long run and if you can keep roster continuity in todays college basketball environment. I do believe well coached and experienced motion offenses can be really hard for defense to take away. Having a roster with enough experience I think can be a real challenge. 

[michigancat]

motion offenses are brutally simple.

Well, they can be.

[Mixed-Nutz]

motion offenses are brutally simple.

Well, they can be.

Yes in theory, but not it practice. They usually present a lot of chances for someone to eff up.

[michigancat]

motion offenses are brutally simple.

Well, they can be.

Yes in theory, but not it practice. They usually present a lot of chances for someone to eff up.

All offenses do

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oscar is usually pretty good at putting in wrinkles for us to adapt to. But we run the offense like garbage, so adding wrinkles would complex our current problems.

Yeah, its easy to just say "oscar sucks", but I think he's proven to be a pretty good offensive coach. I just think he either is having troubles reaching this group, or this group can't handle what the staff is trying to put in. Probably a combination of the two.
 
And he and Lowrey have always made pressure defense a point of emphasis and they aren't going to let it be as terrible as it has been this year, especially the crap we put on the floor in Hawaii.

Who is just saying "oscar sucks?" No one. I think the consensus is that oscar is stubborn and inflexible, none of that is news.

He does suck though.

[ksupamplemousse]

oscar is usually pretty good at putting in wrinkles for us to adapt to. But we run the offense like garbage, so adding wrinkles would complex our current problems.

Yeah, its easy to just say "oscar sucks", but I think he's proven to be a pretty good offensive coach. I just think he either is having troubles reaching this group, or this group can't handle what the staff is trying to put in. Probably a combination of the two.
 
And he and Lowrey have always made pressure defense a point of emphasis and they aren't going to let it be as terrible as it has been this year, especially the crap we put on the floor in Hawaii.

Who is just saying "oscar sucks?" No one. I think the consensus is that oscar is stubborn and inflexible, none of that is news.

He would probably be less stubborn and inflexible if John Currie hadn't generously rewarded his obvious failure at Illinois. oscar's situation basically didn't change at all after he was fired. He was immediately hired at a place that's about equal to his last job. Probably a little harder to recruit here, but fan expectations are lower than what he faced at Illinois, and he sure as crap didn't take a pay cut. We deserve what's happening to us, or it shouldn't be surprising at least.

[Mixed-Nutz]

oscar is usually pretty good at putting in wrinkles for us to adapt to. But we run the offense like garbage, so adding wrinkles would complex our current problems.

Yeah, its easy to just say "oscar sucks", but I think he's proven to be a pretty good offensive coach. I just think he either is having troubles reaching this group, or this group can't handle what the staff is trying to put in. Probably a combination of the two.
 
And he and Lowrey have always made pressure defense a point of emphasis and they aren't going to let it be as terrible as it has been this year, especially the crap we put on the floor in Hawaii.

Who is just saying "oscar sucks?" No one. I think the consensus is that oscar is stubborn and inflexible, none of that is news.

He would probably be less stubborn and inflexible if John Currie hadn't generously rewarded his obvious failure at Illinois. oscar's situation basically didn't change at all after he was fired. He was immediately hired at a place that's about equal to his last job. Probably a little harder to recruit here, but fan expectations are lower than what he faced at Illinois, and he sure as crap didn't take a pay cut. We deserve what's happening to us, or it shouldn't be surprising at least.

It is always funny listening people talk about oscar and Illinois that didn't watch him coach at Illinois.

[pissclams]

what? you want me to try and defend a motion offense?  what the eff is that?

#H4H

[Mixed-Nutz]

oscar's offense is so dependent on not turing the ball over. All his Great offenses were incredible at keeping the rock in their possession. oscar thinking this team could get buy on offense early is pretty crazy. Without any upperclass guards we didn't stand a chance. The sad part is the offense was actually pretty good early on, very early on. You compound that with not effectively reaching the team early on and it might equate oscar's worst job ever.

[ksupamplemousse]

oscar is usually pretty good at putting in wrinkles for us to adapt to. But we run the offense like garbage, so adding wrinkles would complex our current problems.

Yeah, its easy to just say "oscar sucks", but I think he's proven to be a pretty good offensive coach. I just think he either is having troubles reaching this group, or this group can't handle what the staff is trying to put in. Probably a combination of the two.
 
And he and Lowrey have always made pressure defense a point of emphasis and they aren't going to let it be as terrible as it has been this year, especially the crap we put on the floor in Hawaii.

Who is just saying "oscar sucks?" No one. I think the consensus is that oscar is stubborn and inflexible, none of that is news.

He would probably be less stubborn and inflexible if John Currie hadn't generously rewarded his obvious failure at Illinois. oscar's situation basically didn't change at all after he was fired. He was immediately hired at a place that's about equal to his last job. Probably a little harder to recruit here, but fan expectations are lower than what he faced at Illinois, and he sure as crap didn't take a pay cut. We deserve what's happening to us, or it shouldn't be surprising at least.

It is always funny listening people talk about oscar and Illinois that didn't watch him coach at Illinois.

You're not the only one who watches basketball, dickface.

[sys]

why doesn't he just recruit more and better guards?  he has three recruiting classes here.  it's not that he's stubbornly refusing to change his offense to fit his players.  it's that he's stubbornly refusing to recruit players to fit his offense.

[ksupamplemousse]

why doesn't he just recruit more and better guards?  he has three recruiting classes here.  it's not that he's stubbornly refusing to change his offense to fit his players.  it's that he's stubbornly refusing to recruit players to fit his offense.

He can be bad at both things.

[Mixed-Nutz]

why doesn't he just recruit more and better guards?  he has three recruiting classes here.  it's not that he's stubbornly refusing to change his offense to fit his players.  it's that he's stubbornly refusing to recruit players to fit his offense.

Staff failed last year at landing a better guard. Ended up settling for Trey harris, who might not be a bad player, but at the moment has to many limitations. I find it hard to be critical about the 2013 class. 

Missed out on Nate Mason who committed to Minnesota and Javon Bess who committed to Michigan State. Michigan State swooped in late and stole him.
Nate is playing quite a bit for Minn and doing so at a good level. Javon barely plays for MSU but is playing well in that time.

The Flush in the 2015 class appears to be a very good recruit. He is probably my favorite recruit oscar has landed at K-State.

[catzacker]

why doesn't he just recruit more and better guards?  he has three recruiting classes here.  it's not that he's stubbornly refusing to change his offense to fit his players.  it's that he's stubbornly refusing to recruit players to fit his offense.

i'm trying to figure out what offense Jevon and Edwards would actually be good in. 

[pissclams]

why doesn't he just recruit more and better guards?  he has three recruiting classes here.  it's not that he's stubbornly refusing to change his offense to fit his players.  it's that he's stubbornly refusing to recruit players to fit his offense.

i'm trying to figure out what offense Jevon and Edwards would actually be good in. 

the cherry pick offense.  sys knows all about it, i used to run it on his ass at the chester e peters

[MakeItRain]

why doesn't he just recruit more and better guards?  he has three recruiting classes here.  it's not that he's stubbornly refusing to change his offense to fit his players.  it's that he's stubbornly refusing to recruit players to fit his offense.

i'm trying to figure out what offense Jevon and Edwards would actually be good in.

As previously discussed, Jevon would be much better in a faster tempo, less precise offense. I'd actually like to see him in a dribble drive motion. Edwards is fine. We took the most athletic player in oscar's three years and turned him into a jump shooter. Makes since.

[MakeItRain]

oscar is usually pretty good at putting in wrinkles for us to adapt to. But we run the offense like garbage, so adding wrinkles would complex our current problems.

Yeah, its easy to just say "oscar sucks", but I think he's proven to be a pretty good offensive coach. I just think he either is having troubles reaching this group, or this group can't handle what the staff is trying to put in. Probably a combination of the two.
 
And he and Lowrey have always made pressure defense a point of emphasis and they aren't going to let it be as terrible as it has been this year, especially the crap we put on the floor in Hawaii.

Who is just saying "oscar sucks?" No one. I think the consensus is that oscar is stubborn and inflexible, none of that is news.

He would probably be less stubborn and inflexible if John Currie hadn't generously rewarded his obvious failure at Illinois. oscar's situation basically didn't change at all after he was fired. He was immediately hired at a place that's about equal to his last job. Probably a little harder to recruit here, but fan expectations are lower than what he faced at Illinois, and he sure as crap didn't take a pay cut. We deserve what's happening to us, or it shouldn't be surprising at least.

It is always funny listening people talk about oscar and Illinois that didn't watch him coach at Illinois.

Also what a load of bullshit this is. You spent all summer talking about Hopper and I can almost guarantee you that pamplemousse saw more Illinois basketball with oscar Weber than you saw Hopper play Maine basketball.

[ksupamplemousse]

I'd wager that I watched 35-45 games while oscar was head coach at Illinois. If Mixed-Nutz watched that many Maine games over a two year period then he's either a Maine fan or has very unique priorities.

[Mixed-Nutz]

oscar is usually pretty good at putting in wrinkles for us to adapt to. But we run the offense like garbage, so adding wrinkles would complex our current problems.

Yeah, its easy to just say "oscar sucks", but I think he's proven to be a pretty good offensive coach. I just think he either is having troubles reaching this group, or this group can't handle what the staff is trying to put in. Probably a combination of the two.
 
And he and Lowrey have always made pressure defense a point of emphasis and they aren't going to let it be as terrible as it has been this year, especially the crap we put on the floor in Hawaii.

Who is just saying "oscar sucks?" No one. I think the consensus is that oscar is stubborn and inflexible, none of that is news.

He would probably be less stubborn and inflexible if John Currie hadn't generously rewarded his obvious failure at Illinois. oscar's situation basically didn't change at all after he was fired. He was immediately hired at a place that's about equal to his last job. Probably a little harder to recruit here, but fan expectations are lower than what he faced at Illinois, and he sure as crap didn't take a pay cut. We deserve what's happening to us, or it shouldn't be surprising at least.

It is always funny listening people talk about oscar and Illinois that didn't watch him coach at Illinois.

Also what a load of bullshit this is. You spent all summer talking about Hopper and I can almost guarantee you that pamplemousse saw more Illinois basketball with oscar Weber than you saw Hopper play Maine basketball.

I was wrong about Justin, my people were wrong about Justin. It happens.

[sys]

 

[michigancat]

all I need to know about oscar's tenure at Illinois I found on his wikipedia page.

all I needed to know to formulate my preseason Hopper opinion was a look at his Maine 3FG%