Back on the Marc; TCU ADV

[slobber]

I didn't think Marcus looked noticeably different than previous games, other than the fact that he played more minutes than the past two games. I'm being serious, and I realize that others disagree with me, but I thought the dumbasses pbp and color guys were trying way too hard to claim how much more engaged Marcus was. 


Gonna win 'em all!

[michigancat]

Was Foster's defense better? Because when I wasn't busy discussing Kansas geography in chat he looked just as lazy on defense as he had before.

Also, loved the second half possession that started with an in bound under our basket and Marcus literally had his hands on his hips with the ball in play, runs around a screen, and nails a 3.

He definitely had stretches where Marcus was better, but he does not put much effort in defensively.  Some of that is we don't extend our man pressure very far and we switch on every screen.

As far as offense, that should be most possessions.

I'd like to see way more transition 3's

[michigancat]

I didn't think Marcus looked noticeably different than previous games, other than the fact that he played more minutes than the past two games. I'm being serious, and I realize that others disagree with me, but I thought the dumbasses pbp and color guys were trying way too hard to claim how much more engaged Marcus was. 


Gonna win 'em all!

I agree with you, slobber

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Marcus was sweating, which means he was definitely working harder than in previous games.

[michigancat]

Marcus was sweating, which means he was definitely working harder than in previous games.

He didn't play enough to sweat the previous games

[pissclams]

ok

nino:  3/9 FGs, 0-1 3pt, 9 reb, 3 TO

to me, this is out standing

jaws does not need to be shooting 3's and he needs to increase his fg%
ya rebounds
3 TO's

eff that crap

after his kat kareer, he needs to open up a dispensary and name it Nino's Baseline J's b/c that's all he's good at

[michigancat]

He needs to practice 3's more and bust another one out in a couple weeks

[pissclams]

fair enough, let's give him a couple of weeks practice at the new facility meant just for getting better and we'll go from there.

nino, until then- NO MORE 3's!!  i'm serious bro, no more.

[pissclams]

ok

Westicles:  3/4 FGs, 1-1 3pt, 2 reb, 3 assists, 2 TO, in 30 mins

ruling:  ou tstanding

[michigancat]

ok

Westicles:  3/4 FGs, 1-1 3pt, 2 reb, 3 assists, 2 TO, in 30 mins

ruling:  ou tstanding

also, shoot more 3's!

[CNS]

We talked about it in chat a bit but the pace this year is horrendous. I don't know why he thinks with this personnel the right play is to play slower, but all it does is further expose all of our weaknesses. It's so gross to watch.

I hate slow basketball almost as much as slow losing basketball.  Not entertaining at all

[ltrain]

Was Foster's defense better? Because when I wasn't busy discussing Kansas geography in chat he looked just as lazy on defense as he had before.

Also, loved the second half possession that started with an in bound under our basket and Marcus literally had his hands on his hips with the ball in play, runs around a screen, and nails a 3.

He definitely had stretches where Marcus was better, but he does not put much effort in defensively.  Some of that is we don't extend our man pressure very far and we switch on every screen.

As far as offense, that should be most possessions.

He loses his man, like, a lot.  And not because of a bad switch or anything.  Like he's watching the ball and loses track of his guy who is standing in the opposite corner or under the basket or something.

[michigancat]

Was Foster's defense better? Because when I wasn't busy discussing Kansas geography in chat he looked just as lazy on defense as he had before.

Also, loved the second half possession that started with an in bound under our basket and Marcus literally had his hands on his hips with the ball in play, runs around a screen, and nails a 3.

He definitely had stretches where Marcus was better, but he does not put much effort in defensively.  Some of that is we don't extend our man pressure very far and we switch on every screen.

As far as offense, that should be most possessions.

He loses his man, like, a lot.  And not because of a bad switch or anything.  Like he's watching the ball and loses track of his guy who is standing in the opposite corner or under the basket or something.

yes, and then he is very slow at his closeouts. I think it's bad coaching.

[Skipper44]

We talked about it in chat a bit but the pace this year is horrendous. I don't know why he thinks with this personnel the right play is to play slower, but all it does is further expose all of our weaknesses. It's so gross to watch.

I hate slow basketball almost as much as slow losing basketball.  Not entertaining at all

I completely agree, after we make a fourth or fifth pass on a possession it usually requires an amazing shot or oreb to score.

I blame it on oscar's control freakness. His only good teams are when he has stud perimeter players that are good enough ignore 75% of his blathering and just go play. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The motion offense sucks because we fail at the motion part. Most of the time the defender beats our guy to the spot forcing passes that move the offense away from the basket. The second and third looks aren't there because only one guy is ever moving.

[Kat Kid]

The motion offense sucks because we fail at the motion part. Most of the time the defender beats our guy to the spot forcing passes that move the offense away from the basket. The second and third looks aren't there because only one guy is ever moving.

I agree in the sense that offensive system is not "the problem."  The motion offense has worked in many places. 

However, there is more to its failure this year than execution of principles.  Limited talent is a part, poor execution is a part, a lack of effective passers is a part...The biggest concern for me is a lack of innovation or wrinkles/reads to get us quality shots.  Our offense seems most successful at getting Nino baseline jumpers. 

It struggles to get Gip good isolated touches on the block.  We struggle to find cutters (and we don't often cut).  We don't have the personnel to execute pick and pops (even though we often read that when running motion).  We don't get enough open looks for Foster and our offense is much to egalitarian in touches.  I hate the offense because it doesn't play to our strengths and I don't think running it better is a viable solution because at its best it does not play to our strengths and we don't have the personnel to run it well imo.

[Mixed-Nutz]

oscar is usually pretty good at putting in wrinkles for us to adapt to. But we run the offense like garbage, so adding wrinkles would complex our current problems.

[pissclams]

bring back the windmill

[kso_FAN]

oscar is usually pretty good at putting in wrinkles for us to adapt to. But we run the offense like garbage, so adding wrinkles would complex our current problems.

Yeah, its easy to just say "oscar sucks", but I think he's proven to be a pretty good offensive coach. I just think he either is having troubles reaching this group, or this group can't handle what the staff is trying to put in. Probably a combination of the two.
 
And he and Lowrey have always made pressure defense a point of emphasis and they aren't going to let it be as terrible as it has been this year, especially the crap we put on the floor in Hawaii.

[Kat Kid]

oscar is usually pretty good at putting in wrinkles for us to adapt to. But we run the offense like garbage, so adding wrinkles would complex our current problems.

Yeah, its easy to just say "oscar sucks", but I think he's proven to be a pretty good offensive coach. I just think he either is having troubles reaching this group, or this group can't handle what the staff is trying to put in. Probably a combination of the two.
 
And he and Lowrey have always made pressure defense a point of emphasis and they aren't going to let it be as terrible as it has been this year, especially the crap we put on the floor in Hawaii.

I think they almost have too much trust in the player's competency at running motion.  oscar does not run very many called plays.  I think we should run more structured offense, not less.

[Mixed-Nutz]

He usually calls out sequences to run during the games. I know oscar and Lowery aren't easy on the players at times. For instances after the timeouts the team is told three offensive sets to run against man and zone. Then they need to read the defense and running the plays in sequence. Bob Knight has said it truly takes players 2 years to be able to learn a motion offense.

[Kat Kid]

He usually calls out sequences to run during the games. I know oscar and Lowery aren't easy on the players at times. For instances after the timeouts the team is told three offensive sets to run against man and zone. Then they need to read the defense and running the plays in sequence. Bob Knight has said it truly takes players 2 years to be able to learn a motion offense.

Right.  I'm saying oscar should not be having the players perform this many reads right now.  They need to run more quick-hitters/set plays.

[kso_FAN]

He usually calls out sequences to run during the games. I know oscar and Lowery aren't easy on the players at times. For instances after the timeouts the team is told three offensive sets to run against man and zone. Then they need to read the defense and running the plays in sequence. Bob Knight has said it truly takes players 2 years to be able to learn a motion offense.

Right.  I'm saying oscar should not be having the players perform this many reads right now.  They need to run more quick-hitters/set plays.

Probably so, but this is fundamental to oscar's philosophy (or any true motion coach). They are going to stick with teaching the system and options of the offense so the players can run it and not have to "rely" on sets. They'll have some stuff for end of game, end of shot clock, and getting certain players shots, but the motion is going to carry (sometimes later than sooner) the team. I'm sure oscar believes firmly that in the long run teaching the offense this way is the best for the program. And with time restrictions, I don't believe you can teach a bunch of sets and teach a true motion offense and be good at either one.

[Kat Kid]

He usually calls out sequences to run during the games. I know oscar and Lowery aren't easy on the players at times. For instances after the timeouts the team is told three offensive sets to run against man and zone. Then they need to read the defense and running the plays in sequence. Bob Knight has said it truly takes players 2 years to be able to learn a motion offense.

Right.  I'm saying oscar should not be having the players perform this many reads right now.  They need to run more quick-hitters/set plays.

Probably so, but this is fundamental to oscar's philosophy (or any true motion coach). They are going to stick with teaching the system and options of the offense so the players can run it and not have to "rely" on sets. They'll have some stuff for end of game, end of shot clock, and getting certain players shots, but the motion is going to carry (sometimes later than sooner) the team. I'm sure oscar believes firmly that in the long run teaching the offense this way is the best for the program. And with time restrictions, I don't believe you can teach a bunch of sets and teach a true motion offense and be good at either one.

I honestly don't think it would be that difficult to teach some sets that reinforce motion concepts and that is probably what I would pitch it as if I were an assistant coach.  I think it is stupid for basketball coaches to be so married to a system.  This isn't football where you are attempting to coordinate 11 moving parts and you only have 3-4 tries to advance the ball 10 yards.  I know that coaches have systems and there are system guys all over the place, but I don't think it is smart to be inflexible in the face of mounting failure. 

I realize that this is all not going to happen, but it is frustrating to watch and I don't know how losing a bunch of games running crappy offense is actually building the program.  The fact that there does not seem to be any drastic steps being taken doesn't necessarily undermine my case.

[michigancat]

I just want Foster to get more meaningful touches