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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #50 on: December 29, 2014, 11:31:23 AM »
This thread has the makings of an old fashioned SD vs. Blackcats off. 

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #51 on: December 29, 2014, 11:39:07 AM »
eh, let's just keep oscar. whatever.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #52 on: December 29, 2014, 11:39:56 AM »

eh, let's just keep oscar. whatever.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #53 on: December 29, 2014, 12:01:44 PM »
Idk if I'm convinced Brad would be good here.

me either. the time to hire underwood was when he might have had the ability to keep momentum, greenwalt, angel, upshaw, etc. not necessarily now. not that i'd hate it but it would've been a better hire three years ago.

I think they'll probably win the Southland again this year and go dancing again.  If we keep oscar next year, more than likely, Brad's record will be hard to ignore.

Spitballing here...hire Underwood and see if Frazier will stay?  Brooks isn't an awful recruiter, either.  Maybe just ditch everyone else?

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #54 on: December 29, 2014, 12:24:04 PM »
Idk if I'm convinced Brad would be good here.

me either. the time to hire underwood was when he might have had the ability to keep momentum, greenwalt, angel, upshaw, etc. not necessarily now. not that i'd hate it but it would've been a better hire three years ago.

I think they'll probably win the Southland again this year and go dancing again.  If we keep oscar next year, more than likely, Brad's record will be hard to ignore.

Spitballing here...hire Underwood and see if Frazier will stay?  Brooks isn't an awful recruiter, either.  Maybe just ditch everyone else?
much more likely Brooks with his TX ties and really no connection to Weber would stay than Chet.

If the season does go KenPom, I think Brad would have a chance to pick up the pieces fairly quickly, especially if he can keep Marcus and Wes. 

Brad has Pastrana with him at SFA and a former NYC Riverside Hawk that played at SoCar.  Keep AB3 around, add in Brad's connections at Sunrise (he has 3 start committed to SFA from there for 15) and I could see us salvaging some of the momentum from the last 7 years.  Also, Dalonte is available...


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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #55 on: December 29, 2014, 12:30:45 PM »
let's get the rough ridin' gang back together. I mean why not.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #56 on: December 29, 2014, 12:42:43 PM »
Frank wouldn't come back unless we fired/lost currie. so we can forget about it. would be amazing though.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #57 on: December 29, 2014, 12:47:14 PM »
There's a large contingent on this board where I'd be legitimately worried about their safety if Frank ever came back, because they would be partying so rough ridin' hard  :emawkid:
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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #58 on: December 29, 2014, 12:51:00 PM »
Frank wouldn't come back unless we fired/lost currie. so we can forget about it. would be amazing though.

In all seriousness I don't think it's a given that Underwood would come back, just because of Currie. He might be better served going to like a Southern Miss type job before a P5 job. (He wouldn't, but he might think that).

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #59 on: December 29, 2014, 12:51:33 PM »
Frank's not coming back, kids

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #60 on: December 29, 2014, 12:52:34 PM »
Frank's not coming back, kids

no crap? huh.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2014, 12:54:24 PM »
A Currie hire must meet the following criteria:

1.  Head coaching experience
2.  Had some arguable level of success
3.  Can be had for a "below market" price

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #62 on: December 29, 2014, 12:56:24 PM »
A Currie hire must meet the following criteria:

1.  Head coaching experience
2.  Had some arguable level of success
3.  Can be had for a "below market" price

I mean I think he'd go after undy hard but I don't think Undy would want to work with him.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2014, 01:00:26 PM »
A Currie hire must meet the following criteria:

1.  Head coaching experience
2.  Had some arguable level of success
3.  Can be had for a "below market" price

I mean I think he'd go after undy hard but I don't think Undy would want to work with him.

Have his feelings changed since Frank moved on? Seemed like he was ready to take the job at that point. K-State is still a much better job than SFA, or probably any other gig available to him at this point. Also, I think Brad's smart enough to realize that he would basically just need to refrain from shouting quite as many obscenities on the sidelines as Frank to have a decent working relationship with our current AD.
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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #64 on: December 29, 2014, 01:02:21 PM »
Frank's not coming back, kids

no crap? huh.

Yep, not going to happen cRustyMcMichiCat, sorry, friend.


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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #65 on: December 29, 2014, 01:05:47 PM »
A Currie hire must meet the following criteria:

1.  Head coaching experience
2.  Had some arguable level of success
3.  Can be had for a "below market" price

Criteria 3 wasn't a part of the oscar hire.  Unless it was just that he could have gotten him very cheaply and then chose not to. 
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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #66 on: December 29, 2014, 01:17:34 PM »
Guys, Underwood and Currie are good. Brad was given two options when Frank ran away:

1. Stay as an assistant.
2. Go be a head coach and show success. If oscar doesn't work out you'll be my first phone call.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #67 on: December 29, 2014, 01:21:53 PM »
i would like Brad but can he recruit? i feel like he recruited Texas for Frank but am too lazy to look up who he landed. Gip?

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #68 on: December 29, 2014, 02:46:22 PM »
Who should might be relative to how soon bruceketball is tossed out like the garbage it has become. Are we thinking this season or the next?

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #69 on: December 29, 2014, 02:50:08 PM »
Is there any talk of oscar being on the hot seat other than on here? I bet we have oscar for at least two more years regardless of how awful we are.
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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #70 on: December 29, 2014, 02:51:13 PM »
Guys, Underwood and Currie are good. Brad was given two options when Frank ran away:

1. Stay as an assistant.
2. Go be a head coach and show success. If oscar doesn't work out you'll be my first phone call.

Well, Brad has done his part. Make the phone call Captain Crap!

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #71 on: December 29, 2014, 02:56:00 PM »
Is there any talk of oscar being on the hot seat other than on here? I bet we have oscar for at least two more years regardless of how awful we are.

It's the inevitability of what will happen.

We aren't winning crap this year, and we most likely won't even get to the NIT.  If that happens, season ticket sales will plummet. 

With falling ticket sales and decreased revenue, oscar has one more season to right the ship.  But our complete lack of a point guard and no post play will almost guarantee that next year will be just like this.  If that happens, season ticket sales will fall again, revenues will decrease, etc.

MIR probably said it best (paraphrasing) when he said that Currie won't allow a revenue sport to slip so far that it will hurt his ability to create that massive surplus.  I agree with that.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #72 on: December 29, 2014, 02:58:20 PM »
Is there any talk of oscar being on the hot seat other than on here? I bet we have oscar for at least two more years regardless of how awful we are.

It's the inevitability of what will happen.

We aren't winning crap this year, and we most likely won't even get to the NIT.  If that happens, season ticket sales will plummet. 

With falling ticket sales and decreased revenue, oscar has one more season to right the ship.  But our complete lack of a point guard and no post play will almost guarantee that next year will be just like this.  If that happens, season ticket sales will fall again, revenues will decrease, etc.

MIR probably said it best (paraphrasing) when he said that Currie won't allow a revenue sport to slip so far that it will hurt his ability to create that massive surplus.  I agree with that.

How much does he owe oscar and for how many years?
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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #73 on: December 29, 2014, 03:15:18 PM »
Is there any talk of oscar being on the hot seat other than on here? I bet we have oscar for at least two more years regardless of how awful we are.

It's the inevitability of what will happen.

We aren't winning crap this year, and we most likely won't even get to the NIT.  If that happens, season ticket sales will plummet. 

With falling ticket sales and decreased revenue, oscar has one more season to right the ship.  But our complete lack of a point guard and no post play will almost guarantee that next year will be just like this.  If that happens, season ticket sales will fall again, revenues will decrease, etc.

MIR probably said it best (paraphrasing) when he said that Currie won't allow a revenue sport to slip so far that it will hurt his ability to create that massive surplus.  I agree with that.

How much does he owe oscar and for how many years?

Not sure.  I know his contract was extended to 2019 earlier this year.  However, I don't know if we have a buyout clause or not.  He makes $1.85m a year with a 100k escalator every year.  So, we'd owe him $1.95 next year, $2.05m, $2.15m, and then $2.25m.

Now...Underwood makes $400k next year at SFA.  My guess is that he'd probably take the job for $900k-$1.1m.  If that's the case, and we have to pay oscar each year for the remainder of his contract, we'd be eating about $3.0-$3.3m per year for a basketball coach, all things considered.  That's not completely horrible.

But we won't be able to go out there and get a guy for another $2+ million a year for sure.

Besides, if Underwood were here for three years and had strong success, we'd give him a big bump pretty quickly to retain him, so it would all balance out.


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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #74 on: December 29, 2014, 03:18:13 PM »
that piece of garbage gene kiedy should have to pay us back everything we owe oscar