not just missouri, best to avoid all cops

[ednksu]

Because minor traffic violations never go anywhere....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/memphis-officer-killed-traffic-stop/

especially when the suspect becomes even more suspicious and combative ignoring lawful orders

Agreed. All citizens should be treated as hostile and guilty until proven innocent. The cop in Memphis should have already had his gun drawn, and every cop in America should do the same thing.

Exactly or we can go full dumbass and say stuff like "The cop shot someone in the head and killed him instantly..." while ignoring the rest of the video and making it seem like the cop executed him.

[ednksu]

everyone knows that there are steps you can take to decrease the chances of a cop murdering you. the fact that we have to know that and do that is the problem.

very good post

yeah, not really if you value acting like a responsible adult and believe that just because a cop kills someone it isn't murder.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Because minor traffic violations never go anywhere....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/memphis-officer-killed-traffic-stop/

especially when the suspect becomes even more suspicious and combative ignoring lawful orders

Agreed. All citizens should be treated as hostile and guilty until proven innocent. The cop in Memphis should have already had his gun drawn, and every cop in America should do the same thing.

Exactly or we can go full dumbass and say stuff like "The cop shot someone in the head and killed him instantly..." while ignoring the rest of the video and making it seem like the cop executed him.

The cop did execute him. His bodycam filmed it. I guess if you are a psychopath, you could say that the rest of the footage justifies the execution.

[ednksu]

Because minor traffic violations never go anywhere....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/memphis-officer-killed-traffic-stop/

especially when the suspect becomes even more suspicious and combative ignoring lawful orders

Agreed. All citizens should be treated as hostile and guilty until proven innocent. The cop in Memphis should have already had his gun drawn, and every cop in America should do the same thing.

Exactly or we can go full dumbass and say stuff like "The cop shot someone in the head and killed him instantly..." while ignoring the rest of the video and making it seem like the cop executed him.

The cop did execute him. His bodycam filmed it. I guess if you are a psychopath, you could say that the rest of the footage justifies the execution.

LOL yeah anyone who disagrees with you is a psychopath.  Are you a freshman who just had your eyes opened in your first 101 class? 

The reality is this is one second short off murder and one second off a clean shoot.

[Mrs. Gooch]

everyone knows that there are steps you can take to decrease the chances of a cop murdering you. the fact that we have to know that and do that is the problem.

The first step is don't be black.

[CNS]

Yep.  The second step is be impervious to bullets.

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[michigancat]

The reality is this is one second short off murder and one second off a clean shoot.

no one but shitty cops knows what this means

[puniraptor]

the fact that he could even draw and dome that dude in less than a second shows that he was just itching for it

[puniraptor]

the fact that the video totally debunks this guy's fabricated story doesn't make you shy away from defending him?

[CNS]

That guy has been practicing for this the entire 6 months it took him to get his uni cop certificate.

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[puniraptor]

he lied and his cop bros lied and if there wasn't the video it would be case closed, mission accomplished.

[ednksu]

the fact that he could even draw and dome that dude in less than a second shows that he was just itching for it

Or the fact that its hours of muscle memory training at play...but don't let the basic premise of how cops train effect your misconceptions.

the fact that the video totally debunks this guy's fabricated story doesn't make you shy away from defending him?

How does it debunk his story?  The fact is I'm sure he thought that Dubose was fleeing as he shot him.  I'm also sure he thought he was being dragged.  That doesn't invalidate his perception, but it does show his perception was wrong.  Further there is a pretty good argument that he was dragged slightly.  And as facetious as that sounds, how long does a cop need to be dragged before they are under threat of bodily harm from a deadly weapon?  Stop and think about that and maybe Michigan can think about that point as well.  Many are ducking what the actual statutes say about assaults with a deadly, but that is the key issue here. 

[ednksu]

That guy has been practicing for this the entire 6 months it took him to get his uni cop certificate.

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wait till you see what KU does for cops around here.

[CNS]

That guy would be a cop manager in 2 yrs if there weren't cams.  High fives, celebratory beers, and lots of racist jokes all around without that cam.

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[steve dave]

I don't know a lot about the law here. Like, I don't know when the law says it's ok to use your gun or kill people. I do know that if this is a time where the law says killing that guy was ok then the law is wrong and has to be changed. because that was not ok or anywhere near ok.

[michigancat]

the fact that he could even draw and dome that dude in less than a second shows that he was just itching for it

Or the fact that its hours of muscle memory training at play...but don't let the basic premise of how cops train effect your misconceptions.   

yeah that's a definite cop training problem but does not excuse blasting this dude in the face.

[star seed 7]

I'd like to know yard dog's take on the matter

[michigancat]

Like, let's do more training on how to handle traffic stops peacefully and less training on pulling your gun as fast as possible. just spitballing here, I'm open to suggestions.

[puniraptor]

the fact that he could even draw and dome that dude in less than a second shows that he was just itching for it

Or the fact that its hours of muscle memory training at play...but don't let the basic premise of how cops train effect your misconceptions.

i have a problem that cops are trained as warriors. fighting and killing drilled into them until it is an instinct. if he had trained half as diligently in communication, problem solving, empathy, and conflict resolution that guy would be alive and we would be pitting about something else

[puniraptor]

the fact that the video totally debunks this guy's fabricated story doesn't make you shy away from defending him?

How does it debunk his story?  The fact is I'm sure he thought that Dubose was fleeing as he shot him.  I'm also sure he thought he was being dragged.  That doesn't invalidate his perception, but it does show his perception was wrong.  Further there is a pretty good argument that he was dragged slightly.  And as facetious as that sounds, how long does a cop need to be dragged before they are under threat of bodily harm from a deadly weapon?  Stop and think about that and maybe Michigan can think about that point as well.  Many are ducking what the actual statutes say about assaults with a deadly, but that is the key issue here.

i havent personally done a frame by frame analysis, but his story was that he was being dragged so he shot the guy and people seem to think that the car didnt start moving until after he shot.

[ednksu]

the fact that he could even draw and dome that dude in less than a second shows that he was just itching for it

Or the fact that its hours of muscle memory training at play...but don't let the basic premise of how cops train effect your misconceptions.

i have a problem that cops are trained as warriors. fighting and killing drilled into them until it is an instinct. if he had trained half as diligently in communication, problem solving, empathy, and conflict resolution that guy would be alive and we would be pitting about something else

And that absurd to think that cops need to be dragged around the hood for a minimum "x" laps before they can respond, because that is what you're advocating. The cop used fair, polite, firm commands to get what was legally required to drive.  The guy became combative and chose to escalate the situation through rhetoric and actions.  The cop never raised his voice and politely ordered the guy out of the vehicle (another lawful order).  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim.  The best critique you have is that he should have got back in his car to initiate a pursuit through a neighborhood, and think about how stupid that sounds.

[puniraptor]

  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho

[ednksu]

the fact that the video totally debunks this guy's fabricated story doesn't make you shy away from defending him?

How does it debunk his story?  The fact is I'm sure he thought that Dubose was fleeing as he shot him.  I'm also sure he thought he was being dragged.  That doesn't invalidate his perception, but it does show his perception was wrong.  Further there is a pretty good argument that he was dragged slightly.  And as facetious as that sounds, how long does a cop need to be dragged before they are under threat of bodily harm from a deadly weapon?  Stop and think about that and maybe Michigan can think about that point as well.  Many are ducking what the actual statutes say about assaults with a deadly, but that is the key issue here.

i havent personally done a frame by frame analysis, but his story was that he was being dragged so he shot the guy and people seem to think that the car didnt start moving until after he shot.

So you haven't even bothered to look at the links posted and are only going off your feelz.  (hint I posted a link where you can literally go frame by frame)

[ednksu]

  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho

Trained as warrior = defending yourself when you believe you are being dragged by a guy who refuses to ID himself and has become combative as you proceed reasonably with a legal and common traffic stop.

[puniraptor]

  None of that is being "trained as warriors" as you claim. 

they are tho

Trained as warrior = defending yourself when you believe you are being dragged by a guy who refuses to ID himself and has become combative as you proceed reasonably with a legal and common traffic stop.

i am talking more generally about the time police devote to training weapons, combat, and tactics in comparison to training de-escalating irate citizens after common traffic stops.