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« Reply #150 on: August 03, 2015, 08:10:06 AM »
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.

He was fleeing. He started up the car before he got shot. The cop went nuts when he put the car in gear.

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« Reply #151 on: August 03, 2015, 08:13:15 AM »
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.
This was my take too

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Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
« Reply #152 on: August 03, 2015, 09:45:51 AM »
I considered starting the car and putting the car in drive to be the start of an attempt to flee.

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« Reply #153 on: August 03, 2015, 09:52:52 AM »
It seems obvious to me that the guy was going to try and drive off.  It doesn't seem obvious that the cop was about to be dragged to death. 

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« Reply #154 on: August 03, 2015, 10:05:05 AM »
The guy starts the car. The cop leverages himself in a manner to keep himself in front of the window while he draws his gun and executes the driver. Simple as that.
in front of the window....on the side of the car?

keep in mind he was moving to arrest the guy, who was totally at fault for escalating the interaction attempting to flee. I mean people need to step back and examine all the facts and who is escalating the conflict and take a hard look at the timing of things.

Really? Are you trying to use the potential imminence as a justification for of an action that has legal precedence specifically stating that officers cannot use deadly force for it? While at the same time not stepping back and examining the recent national context of police officer conduct on our communities?  In what world is anything that young man did equatable to the escalation of an immediate execution? GTFO

You think you're being reasonable, but it's really only bias. Every time this happens, and it happens a lot, people try to over-analyze the situation to justify the officer's actions when cumulative data tells us there's a larger, real problem going on in America and it's not terrorism or some farming community living on a large oil deposit in the Middle-East...it's our own policing culture (among others). 

*Note: Out of all the officers I've met in Kansas, 98% were good people. Hell, one is a good buddy, but he has kind of echoed this same thing to me...there's a culture of "us vs. them".
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« Reply #155 on: August 03, 2015, 10:16:03 AM »
His acting buddy should be fired too.

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« Reply #156 on: August 03, 2015, 11:05:01 AM »
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.

You guys don't need to try and justify what the victim did or didn't do here, the cop was wrong and the video is all the proof you need. The fact is he refused to turn over his driver's license, so he was probably going to be frisked. He started the car and put it in gear which would indicate he was going to flee the scene. The guy would be alive if he cooperated with the cop.

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« Reply #157 on: August 03, 2015, 11:17:39 AM »
The guy starts the car. The cop leverages himself in a manner to keep himself in front of the window while he draws his gun and executes the driver. Simple as that.
in front of the window....on the side of the car?

keep in mind he was moving to arrest the guy, who was totally at fault for escalating the interaction attempting to flee. I mean people need to step back and examine all the facts and who is escalating the conflict and take a hard look at the timing of things.

Did you watch the video without audio or something? The cop couldn't have been a bigger dick.
This is just laughably silly. 
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« Reply #158 on: August 03, 2015, 11:20:53 AM »
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.
This is just naive that its almost impossible respond to.  Remove him from his car for a license plate?  Did you watch any of the video?    Did you notice the guys failure to produce a license that is required to be with the driver?  Did you notice the bottle of booze? Did you not hear the multiple lawful commands? It's like cop haters intentionally ignore 90% of the facts in order to convict a cop just because they wear a badge.
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Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
« Reply #159 on: August 03, 2015, 11:23:01 AM »
The guy would be alive if he cooperated with the cop.

maybe

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« Reply #160 on: August 03, 2015, 11:41:03 AM »
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.
This is just naive that its almost impossible respond to.  Remove him from his car for a license plate?  Did you watch any of the video?    Did you notice the guys failure to produce a license that is required to be with the driver?  Did you notice the bottle of booze? Did you not hear the multiple lawful commands? It's like cop haters intentionally ignore 90% of the facts in order to convict a cop just because they wear a badge.

People are convicting this cop because he shot a man in the head for putting his car into gear.

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« Reply #161 on: August 03, 2015, 01:00:00 PM »
What is the protocol for an officer asking someone to get out of their car? Are they supposed to ask the person to get out of the car or are they supposed to open the door themselves and take the person's seat belt off of them instead of asking?

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« Reply #162 on: August 03, 2015, 01:14:38 PM »
What is the protocol for an officer asking someone to get out of their car? Are they supposed to ask the person to get out of the car or are they supposed to open the door themselves and take the person's seat belt off of them instead of asking?

I guess it just depends on whether he finds an unopened bottle of booze or not.

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« Reply #163 on: August 03, 2015, 01:20:20 PM »
edn, do you think the film "Judge Dredd" is a documentary?

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« Reply #164 on: August 03, 2015, 01:37:11 PM »
What is the protocol for an officer asking someone to get out of their car? Are they supposed to ask the person to get out of the car or are they supposed to open the door themselves and take the person's seat belt off of them instead of asking?

you let them know your intention so they don't drag you down the road when you try to reach in and remove them from the vehicle.

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« Reply #165 on: August 03, 2015, 01:38:38 PM »
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.
This is just naive that its almost impossible respond to.  Remove him from his car for a license plate?  Did you watch any of the video?    Did you notice the guys failure to produce a license that is required to be with the driver?  Did you notice the bottle of booze? Did you not hear the multiple lawful commands? It's like cop haters intentionally ignore 90% of the facts in order to convict a cop just because they wear a badge.

People are convicting this cop because he shot a man in the head for putting his car into gear.
Yeah it was only for putting his car into gear, nothing else. A little bit of personal responsibility is not required living in civil society.
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« Reply #166 on: August 03, 2015, 01:39:26 PM »
edn, do you think the film "Judge Dredd" is a documentary?
yeah I've got 3 lawgivers myself.
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« Reply #167 on: August 03, 2015, 01:42:55 PM »
I gotta say I'm constantly amazed at people's inability to apply a little bit of critical thinking to these situations.  Like this situation wouldn't have turned out differently if Dubose produced his license or at the very least wasn't combative with a lawful order.
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« Reply #168 on: August 03, 2015, 01:45:30 PM »
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.
This is just naive that its almost impossible respond to.  Remove him from his car for a license plate?  Did you watch any of the video?    Did you notice the guys failure to produce a license that is required to be with the driver?  Did you notice the bottle of booze? Did you not hear the multiple lawful commands? It's like cop haters intentionally ignore 90% of the facts in order to convict a cop just because they wear a badge.

People are convicting this cop because he shot a man in the head for putting his car into gear.
Yeah it was only for putting his car into gear, nothing else. A little bit of personal responsibility is not required living in civil society.

True. He also was missing a license plate and may have had an expired driver's license. Oh, and he had an unopened bottle of booze in the vehicle.

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« Reply #169 on: August 03, 2015, 01:47:13 PM »
I gotta say I'm constantly amazed at people's inability to apply a little bit of critical thinking to these situations.  Like this situation wouldn't have turned out differently if Dubose produced his license or at the very least wasn't combative with a lawful order.

I'm sure most murderers are pissed off about something and wouldn't have pulled the trigger if their victims would have treated them better.

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« Reply #170 on: August 03, 2015, 01:50:15 PM »
everyone knows that there are steps you can take to decrease the chances of a cop murdering you. the fact that we have to know that and do that is the problem.

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« Reply #171 on: August 03, 2015, 01:53:10 PM »
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.
This is just naive that its almost impossible respond to.  Remove him from his car for a license plate?  Did you watch any of the video?    Did you notice the guys failure to produce a license that is required to be with the driver?  Did you notice the bottle of booze? Did you not hear the multiple lawful commands? It's like cop haters intentionally ignore 90% of the facts in order to convict a cop just because they wear a badge.
The cop shot someone in the head and killed him instantly. In what world is that the appropriate action for dealing with a dude that didn't have his DL and an unopened bottle of booze? This cop used zero % of his training (if he even had much training, being a campus cop and all)

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« Reply #172 on: August 03, 2015, 01:53:20 PM »
The guy tried to "flee" because he could tell he was in a dangerous situation. Which he obviously was. It's real easy to say just be calm and follow orders, (which the guy did for quite a while) but when cops are blasting black men left and right you can see why a black man getting stopped for, well, anything, could fear for his life.

He wasn't "fleeing", he tried to stay in his car because he was confused why the cop wanted to forcefully remove him from the car for a missing front license plate. When the guy put his hand on the door to stop from being yanked out of the car and tried to ask the cop why he needed to get out of the car for such a small violation, the cop pulled his gun and executed him. The reason the car moved was because the guy was DEAD and his foot pressed down on the gas from being DEAD.
This is just naive that its almost impossible respond to.  Remove him from his car for a license plate?  Did you watch any of the video?    Did you notice the guys failure to produce a license that is required to be with the driver?  Did you notice the bottle of booze? Did you not hear the multiple lawful commands? It's like cop haters intentionally ignore 90% of the facts in order to convict a cop just because they wear a badge.

People are convicting this cop because he shot a man in the head for putting his car into gear.
Yeah it was only for putting his car into gear, nothing else. A little bit of personal responsibility is not required living in civil society.

True. He also was missing a license plate and may have had an expired driver's license. Oh, and he had an unopened bottle of booze in the vehicle.

Because minor traffic violations never go anywhere....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/memphis-officer-killed-traffic-stop/

especially when the suspect becomes even more suspicious and combative ignoring lawful orders
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Re: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops
« Reply #173 on: August 03, 2015, 01:55:17 PM »
everyone knows that there are steps you can take to decrease the chances of a cop murdering you. the fact that we have to know that and do that is the problem.

very good post

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« Reply #174 on: August 03, 2015, 01:56:46 PM »


Because minor traffic violations never go anywhere....
http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/03/us/memphis-officer-killed-traffic-stop/

especially when the suspect becomes even more suspicious and combative ignoring lawful orders

Agreed. All citizens should be treated as hostile and guilty until proven innocent. The cop in Memphis should have already had his gun drawn, and every cop in America should do the same thing.