“The question would be how much you could read before they grabbed you"

[Kat Kid]

Dick Cheney on the innocent man Rahman Gul being tortured to death:

I have no problem [with torturing innocent people] as long as we achieved our objective.

KSUW on the innocent man Rahman Gul being tortured to death:

What kind of "torture" did these "innocent" people receive?

When I, and others, pointed to his specific example as the most egregious of the 26 innocent men who were tortured by the CIA we received silence.  Because there really is no defending this.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Kat Kid on Obama droning uncorroborated terrorists and "collateral damage" women and children.

-silence

[sonofdaxjones]

KK hates that as well.

I'm still stunned though, and this is saying a lot, about how complicit the majority of prog-libs are with the current administration and all the horrors they've unleashed on the world.

It's mind boggling how deathly partisan they are . . . sad.

[Kat Kid]

Kat Kid on Obama droning uncorroborated terrorists and "collateral damage" women and children.

-silence

not accurate.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Dick Cheney on the innocent man Rahman Gul being tortured to death:

I have no problem [with torturing innocent people] as long as we achieved our objective.

KSUW on the innocent man Rahman Gul being tortured to death:

What kind of "torture" did these "innocent" people receive?

When I, and others, pointed to his specific example as the most egregious of the 26 innocent men who were tortured by the CIA we received silence.  Because there really is no defending this.

I thought I had already responded to this. Assumign that Gul was "innocent" based on a footnote of "mistaken identity" from a partially redacted and disclosed CIA report, then that sucks, but it doesn't change my position. It's an unfortunate reality of war that sometimes innocent people are killed. I guess you don't consider this a war operation, but it is. I have no doubt that far more innocent people are killed through drone strikes and other military actions (which I also support) than were killed through interrogation. It is war. The difference, of course, is that our side actually tries to avoid civilian casualties, whereas that is one of the stated objectives of our enemies.

[star seed 7]

You should see how outraged ksuw gets when guilty parties are given traffic tickets

[michigancat]

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/12/the-humane-interrogation-technique-that-works-much-better-than-torture/383698/

[Kat Kid]

It is important to remember how much Dick Cheney, Hayden, Brennan, Obama, Holder hate our founding fathers.  They don't share their values at all.

George Washington when speaking about how the Continental Army should respond to rumors of British bayonetings at the Battle of Paoli:

"Treat them with humanity, and let them have no reason to complain of our copying the brutal example of the British Army in their treatment of our unfortunate brethren who have fallen into their hand."

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

It is important to remember the barbarism of the animals we are fighting. Just another example from today's news.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/peshawar-school-attack-taliban-burn-teacher-alive-front-pupils-behead-children-1479767

Taliban terrorists that disguised themselves as soldiers and murdered over 130 people, mostly children, at a Pakistan school allegedly burned a teacher alive and made the students watch.

According to a NBC News report, which cited an unnamed military official, the terrorists stormed the Army Public school in Peshawar, in north-west Pakistan, and committed the horrific act as well as detonating a suicide bomb which killed a number of students.

"They burnt a teacher in front of the students in a classroom," said the unnamed military source to the US TV network.

"They literally set the teacher on fire with gasoline and made the kids watch."

At least six militants entered the Pakistani school wearing security uniforms, before massacring an estimated 132 people and injuring another 122.

Most of the school's 500 students have been evacuated.

The Pakistani army claims to have killed five terrorists and is conducting a search for more, while more hostages are believed to be held inside the school.

Pakistani officials have yet to verify the burning of the teacher or other reports that some of the bodies of the dead school children are being brought into the hospital headless.

According to a tweet by Omar R Quraishi, an editor at the The Express Tribune who has over 154,000 Twitter followers, "Some of the bodies brought to hospital during the Peshawar school attack have been headless: source."

Meanwhile, we agonize over pouring water on their faces, hitting them, blaring loud music at them, and otherwise "torturing" them to hopefully extract valuable intelligence.

[michigancat]

Meanwhile, we agonize over pouring water on their faces, hitting them, blaring loud music at them, and otherwise "torturing" them to hopefully extract valuable intelligence.

Because we're better than terrorists. Or at least we should try to be. We shouldn't act like 9 year old boys on a playground looking for revenge when determining how to treat prisoners.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Meanwhile, we agonize over pouring water on their faces, hitting them, blaring loud music at them, and otherwise "torturing" them to hopefully extract valuable intelligence.

Because we're better than terrorists. Or at least we should try to be. We shouldn't act like 9 year old boys on a playground looking for revenge when determining how to treat prisoners.

We've been over this. The purpose of this "torture" is not about revenge, and it's not the point of my posts. I'm simply pointing out how bizarre it is to empathize with these monsters or agonize over treating them "humanely." They are "human" only in the most technical sense.

[michigancat]

Meanwhile, we agonize over pouring water on their faces, hitting them, blaring loud music at them, and otherwise "torturing" them to hopefully extract valuable intelligence.

Because we're better than terrorists. Or at least we should try to be. We shouldn't act like 9 year old boys on a playground looking for revenge when determining how to treat prisoners.

We've been over this. The purpose of this "torture" is not about revenge, and it's not the point of my posts. I'm simply pointing out how bizarre it is to empathize with these monsters or agonize over treating them "humanely." They are "human" only in the most technical sense.

That's just another way of calling it "revenge". And it isn't bizarre to not want your tax dollars spent on sadistic fucks torturing people, even if the people being tortured are really mean.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Well shoot, the huge firestorm the media has attempted to create over the latest "torture" report just doesn't seem to be materializing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/12/15/that-big-cia-torture-report-americans-just-shrugged/

A new poll from the Pew Research Center is the first to gauge reactions to last week's big CIA report on "enhanced interrogation techniques" -- what agency critics call torture.
 
And the reaction is pretty muted.
 
The poll shows people says 51-29 percent than the CIA's methods were justified and 56-28 percent that the information gleaned helped prevent terror attacks.

The word "torture," it should be noted, isn't mentioned in the poll, but it has been associated with much of the coverage of the issue. And the numbers align nicely with polls on the use of torture, which shows that relatively few Americans are concerned about it -- especially when you bring the prospect of combating terrorism into the mix.
 
That lack of real concern about what the CIA was doing is also reflected in the amount of interest in the story. While newspapers and broadcast news across the country devoted a huge amount of coverage to the Senate intelligence committee report last week, just 23 percent of Americans say they are following the story "very closely," while 50 percent are following it "not too closely" or "not at all." That ranks it behind the Ferguson/Eric Garner protests and stories about the U.S. economy.
 
And it's not just that people who aren't concerned about torture aren't tuning in. Those who have followed the story the most, in fact, approve of the program 59-34 percent.
 
Even Democrats are pretty split on the justification for the program. While 37 percent say it was justified, 46 percent say it wasn't. Liberal Democrats disapprove 65-25 percent, but moderate and conservative Democrats approve 48-32 percent.
 
Given the images that were conjured by the report -- "rectal feeding," etc. -- that's not much of a reaction. Indeed, this is not the kind of public outcry that demands big changes to how the CIA conducts business.
 
And Democrats who pushed for the release of the report in hopes of changing how the CIA does business have to be frustrated.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Meanwhile, we agonize over pouring water on their faces, hitting them, blaring loud music at them, and otherwise "torturing" them to hopefully extract valuable intelligence.

Because we're better than terrorists. Or at least we should try to be. We shouldn't act like 9 year old boys on a playground looking for revenge when determining how to treat prisoners.

We've been over this. The purpose of this "torture" is not about revenge, and it's not the point of my posts. I'm simply pointing out how bizarre it is to empathize with these monsters or agonize over treating them "humanely." They are "human" only in the most technical sense.

That's just another way of calling it "revenge".

No, it isn't. You really think the people at the CIA were motivated by "revenge?" They're in the business of intelligence. That's what this was about. An argument can be made that these methods did not produce good intel (belied by numerous CIA interviews) or that less extreme methods would have produced the same or better intel (conjecture), but the argument that this was motivated by revenge is pretty silly.

[star seed 7]

Well shoot

[Rage Against the McKee]

It is pretty disappointing that the majority of Americans are awful people.

[star seed 7]

It is pretty disappointing that the majority of Americans are awful people.

It is entertaining that ksuw had posts literally 2 minutes apart saying "OMG Americans are so stupid!" "look, Americans love torture, I'm right! "

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Kat Kid on Obama droning uncorroborated terrorists and "collateral damage" women and children.

-silence

not accurate.

Quite accurate

[michigancat]

Meanwhile, we agonize over pouring water on their faces, hitting them, blaring loud music at them, and otherwise "torturing" them to hopefully extract valuable intelligence.

Because we're better than terrorists. Or at least we should try to be. We shouldn't act like 9 year old boys on a playground looking for revenge when determining how to treat prisoners.

We've been over this. The purpose of this "torture" is not about revenge, and it's not the point of my posts. I'm simply pointing out how bizarre it is to empathize with these monsters or agonize over treating them "humanely." They are "human" only in the most technical sense.

That's just another way of calling it "revenge".

No, it isn't. You really think the people at the CIA were motivated by "revenge?" They're in the business of intelligence. That's what this was about. An argument can be made that these methods did not produce good intel (belied by numerous CIA interviews) or that less extreme methods would have produced the same or better intel (conjecture), but the argument that this was motivated by revenge is pretty silly.

The CIA is just as mumped up as any government agency. I'm sure many in the CIA were motivated for revenge and I'm damn sure the politicians who gave them the go-ahead were motivated by revenge.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I think the majority of people still have the ability to put themselves in a theoretical position in which they themselves would 'torture' another person to save someone they care about.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

So the #prolapse thing was about force feeding people on hunger strike. I thought that ramming a tube up someone's ass to torture was a little too perverted, even for the cia.


The second dumbest thing about all of this is the great lengths the cia went to redefine the word torture. Guess what, we've been torturing our enemies since day one and will continue to do it until they're all dead.

The first dumbest thing is leftists being okay with killing someone by hell fire missile, but not okay with water boarding because Obama not cheney.

[michigancat]

I think the majority of people still have the ability to put themselves in a theoretical position in which they themselves would 'torture' another person to save someone they care about.

I think a majority of people would also murder a unicorn to save someone they care about.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

It is pretty disappointing that the majority of Americans are awful people.

It is entertaining that ksuw had posts literally 2 minutes apart saying "OMG Americans are so stupid!" "look, Americans love torture, I'm right! "

Good point. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think the majority of people still have the ability to put themselves in a theoretical position in which they themselves would 'torture' another person to save someone they care about.

That seems like a terrible way to determine which government policy to promote.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I think the majority of people still have the ability to put themselves in a theoretical position in which they themselves would 'torture' another person to save someone they care about.

That seems like a terrible way to determine which government policy to promote.

This was in reference to the majority of Americans supporting enhanced interrogation and the hypocrisy of some. They would rush use the same techniques to save someone they personally care for, but vilify those that use it to save people they don't even know.