“The question would be how much you could read before they grabbed you"

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

KSUW is unable to admit what was done is his name, so he changes the subject.  When he says he cares about the Constitution and the rule of law, remember this moment.

I've already admitted what was done, repeatedly, and said that I don't have a problem with it. Now I'm just shredding your moral superiority complex.

Do you believe in American Exceptionalism? Just wondering.

Sure do. But I think the "we're better than that" mantra sort of goes out the window when our innocent citizens are literally jumping out of windows to their deaths as a preferred alternative to burning to death. That seems like much worse torture than anything detailed in the report.

[Dugout DickStone]

KSUW is unable to admit what was done is his name, so he changes the subject.  When he says he cares about the Constitution and the rule of law, remember this moment.

I've already admitted what was done, repeatedly, and said that I don't have a problem with it. Now I'm just shredding your moral superiority complex.

Do you believe in American Exceptionalism? Just wondering.

Sure do. But I think the "we're better than that" mantra sort of goes out the window when our innocent citizens are literally jumping out of windows to their deaths as a preferred alternative to burning to death. That seems like much worse torture than anything detailed in the report.

If they were justified, why did they try so insanely hard to cover it up?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

KSUW is unable to admit what was done is his name, so he changes the subject.  When he says he cares about the Constitution and the rule of law, remember this moment.

I've already admitted what was done, repeatedly, and said that I don't have a problem with it. Now I'm just shredding your moral superiority complex.

Do you believe in American Exceptionalism? Just wondering.

Sure do. But I think the "we're better than that" mantra sort of goes out the window when our innocent citizens are literally jumping out of windows to their deaths as a preferred alternative to burning to death. That seems like much worse torture than anything detailed in the report.

If they were justified, why did they try so insanely hard to cover it up?

Probably because reports like this are a blueprint for AQ on how to handle capture and interrogation?

[michigancat]

[Rage Against the McKee]

KSUW is unable to admit what was done is his name, so he changes the subject.  When he says he cares about the Constitution and the rule of law, remember this moment.

I've already admitted what was done, repeatedly, and said that I don't have a problem with it. Now I'm just shredding your moral superiority complex.

Do you believe in American Exceptionalism? Just wondering.

Sure do. But I think the "we're better than that" mantra sort of goes out the window when our innocent citizens are literally jumping out of windows to their deaths as a preferred alternative to burning to death. That seems like much worse torture than anything detailed in the report.

No, it goes out the window when we decide to torture some folks.

[Kat Kid]

KSUW is unable to admit what was done is his name, so he changes the subject.  When he says he cares about the Constitution and the rule of law, remember this moment.

I've already admitted what was done, repeatedly, and said that I don't have a problem with it. Now I'm just shredding your moral superiority complex.

What if we tortured an innocent person to death.  Do you have a problem with that?

Yes. Can you give me an example of that happening?

Gul Rahman
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/who-killed-gul-rahman

The suspect, Gul Rahman, reportedly died after having been stripped naked from the waist down and shackled in a cell in which the temperature dipped to approximately thirty-six degrees Fahrenheit. Subsequent forensic examinations determined that he had frozen to death.

Torture Report page 16 footnote 32
http://www.scribd.com/doc/249651730/CIA-Torture-Report
"..a total of 26 of the 119 of the (22 percent) CIA detainees identified in this Study, did not meet the MON standard for detention."

Footnote 32-
"...Gul Rahman another case of mistaken identity (Headquarters REDACTED)

Pretty clear evidence.  Keep in mind, this isn't me saying he's innocent, it is the CIA's internal assessment.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

It must be weird to have no moral compass of your own, but to only find morality on a purely partisan basis and on such a narrow basis. Such a fascinating study in the soulless leftbot.

2 additional pages documenting the same.

[Kat Kid]

[Rage Against the McKee]

It must be weird to have no moral compass of your own, but to only find morality on a purely partisan basis and on such a narrow basis. Such a fascinating study in the soulless leftbot.

2 additional pages documenting the same.

Would Jesus torture these folks?

[Dugout DickStone]

KSUW is unable to admit what was done is his name, so he changes the subject.  When he says he cares about the Constitution and the rule of law, remember this moment.

I've already admitted what was done, repeatedly, and said that I don't have a problem with it. Now I'm just shredding your moral superiority complex.

Do you believe in American Exceptionalism? Just wondering.

Sure do. But I think the "we're better than that" mantra sort of goes out the window when our innocent citizens are literally jumping out of windows to their deaths as a preferred alternative to burning to death. That seems like much worse torture than anything detailed in the report.

If they were justified, why did they try so insanely hard to cover it up?

Probably because reports like this are a blueprint for AQ on how to handle capture and interrogation?

You think that it's news to them CIA was using these enhanced techniques?  you don't actually, right?

[nicname]

It amazes me that people can be so "small government" and "rule of law" then turn a 180 and completely support government taking action that explicitly violates those very principles. Amazes is the wrong word. It disgusts me.

Then those same people keep on going, cheer and applaud when a bunch of cops kill a dude for basically trying to sell loosies without paying taxes.

[nicname]

We dont use enhanced enough in our everyday vocabulary. So I'm gonna try and use it more everyday. Thanks for the suggestion Chant.

Enhanced bread.

[nicname]

KSUW is unable to admit what was done is his name, so he changes the subject.  When he says he cares about the Constitution and the rule of law, remember this moment.

sorry kk. I made my post before reading this.

[Mr Bread]

Prolapse literally means "to fall out of place‚" from the Latin prolabi meaning "to fall out." In medicine, prolapse is a condition where organs, such as the uterus, fall down or slip out of place.

I didn't know butts could do that. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Why does our government's moral compass begin and end with torture of non-citizen "enemy combatants"?

In times of war, do morals remain static, or should they change to protect the society establishing them?

If corporations can't have religious values, how can a government have morals?

It's far to easy to quip (for partisan reasons) that you are black and white opposed to these things while remaining silent concerning other immorality.

[Kat Kid]

Why does our government's moral compass begin and end with torture of non-citizen "enemy combatants"?

In times of war, do morals remain static, or should they change to protect the society establishing them?

If corporations can't have religious values, how can a government have morals?

It's far to easy to quip (for partisan reasons) that you are black and white opposed to these things while remaining silent concerning other immorality.

None of those things.  The rule of law should stand.  The Constitution should stand.  The Republic should stand.

[Dugout DickStone]

Why does our government's moral compass begin and end with torture of non-citizen "enemy combatants"?

In times of war, do morals remain static, or should they change to protect the society establishing them?

If corporations can't have religious values, how can a government have morals?

It's far to easy to quip (for partisan reasons) that you are black and white opposed to these things while remaining silent concerning other immorality.

Be transparent and let your bosses decide.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Why does our government's moral compass begin and end with torture of non-citizen "enemy combatants"?

In times of war, do morals remain static, or should they change to protect the society establishing them?

If corporations can't have religious values, how can a government have morals?

It's far to easy to quip (for partisan reasons) that you are black and white opposed to these things while remaining silent concerning other immorality.

It doesn't. Our government also kills defenseless prisoners, incarcerates non-violent offenders, etc.

Yes, they remain static. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

The government does not have morals. The people voting for our representatives do, and we should vote out anyone who supports this.

What other immorality are you referring to?

[michigancat]

How much money would we save by just shutting down the CIA? (old article):

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2007/12/abolish_the_cia.html

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Why does our government's moral compass begin and end with torture of non-citizen "enemy combatants"?

In times of war, do morals remain static, or should they change to protect the society establishing them?

If corporations can't have religious values, how can a government have morals?

It's far to easy to quip (for partisan reasons) that you are black and white opposed to these things while remaining silent concerning other immorality.

None of those things.  The rule of law should stand.  The Constitution should stand.  The Republic should stand.

We now know the president can ignore the rule of law.

[Kat Kid]

Lots of us have known that for a long time.

[Kat Kid]

Remember Ronald Reagan signed the UN Convention on Torture and we are bound by it: 

[chuckjames]

KSUW is unable to admit what was done is his name, so he changes the subject.  When he says he cares about the Constitution and the rule of law, remember this moment.

I've already admitted what was done, repeatedly, and said that I don't have a problem with it. Now I'm just shredding your moral superiority complex.

Do you believe in American Exceptionalism? Just wondering.

Sure do. But I think the "we're better than that" mantra sort of goes out the window when our innocent citizens are literally jumping out of windows to their deaths as a preferred alternative to burning to death. That seems like much worse torture than anything detailed in the report.

I guess well just have to disagree. I for one don't believe in American Exceptionalism and I think torture is wrong and the government shouldn't use it because there should be laws about how treat humans, even if the other side doesn't abide by those laws.

[chuckjames]

Why does our government's moral compass begin and end with torture of non-citizen "enemy combatants"?

In times of war, do morals remain static, or should they change to protect the society establishing them?

If corporations can't have religious values, how can a government have morals?

It's far to easy to quip (for partisan reasons) that you are black and white opposed to these things while remaining silent concerning other immorality.

I think the Supreme Court ruled corporations can have religious values.

[Dugout DickStone]

Remember Ronald Reagan signed the UN Convention on Torture and we are bound by it: 

Cheney pretty much pwned RR