Our Offense (Dana Dimel Appreciation Thread)

[LeggoKatZ]

Meh.

[sys]

passing is stupid.

[bubbles4ksu]

it's cool to have a few guys capable of long runs at any moment

[0.42]

Dimel's game plan for A&M was really solid for most of the game, outside of the few brain fart plays we always have whenever he tries to get too cute (i.e. passing on 1st down with 7 minutes left and we're trying to run the rough ridin' clock).  also needs to sweep the leg whenever we have 4th and inches in opponents' territory and we're in position to go up 2+ scores and ice the game in the 3rd. Regardless, going away from Garrett all game and then running to his side whenever he's on the sideline was good play design, and Dimel did a nice job setting up plays to exploit the weak spots in A&M's secondary.

Also that short yardage formation

[cfbandyman]

Dimel's game plan for A&M was really solid for most of the game, outside of the few brain fart plays we always have whenever he tries to get too cute (i.e. passing on 1st down with 7 minutes left and we're trying to run the rough ridin' clock).  also needs to sweep the leg whenever we have 4th and inches in opponents' territory and we're in position to go up 2+ scores and ice the game in the 3rd. Regardless, going away from Garrett all game and then running to his side whenever he's on the sideline was good play design, and Dimel did a nice job setting up plays to exploit the weak spots in A&M's secondary.

Also that short yardage formation

"They are not passing out of that"

[Katpappy]

I like the statement it makes for our offense.  "We're all going to push your weak ass defense back and we don't care if you're aware of it, cause that's what going to happen pussies." 

[PIPE]

So a guy who ran 1 jet sweep with one of our speedy WR's all season and it took the bowl game to do it is good? 

[IPA4Me]

Not getting on a Dimel bandwagon. I'm happy the Cats won but his play calling frustrated me too much this season and last.

[Big Sam]

So a guy who ran 1 jet sweep with one of our speedy WR's all season and it took the bowl game to do it is good? 

I look at it this way.  I watched KSU run thejet sweep for years in conference and utterly such at it.  In part, because of the conference D's are used to it in the league, and are so damn quick at covering the whole field.  But, going against an SEC team where they just don't do such things, apparently aTm just didn't get how to cover it.

Just my take, but hell, I'm an old man who used to mumble under his breath at the Bill as KSU ran that thing for years and got nada with it (and faked it far more often and defenses didn't seem to care).  However, that could be selective memory (senility and all).

[schreds21]

So a guy who ran 1 jet sweep with one of our speedy WR's all season and it took the bowl game to do it is good? 

I look at it this way.  I watched KSU run thejet sweep for years in conference and utterly such at it.  In part, because of the conference D's are used to it in the league, and are so damn quick at covering the whole field.  But, going against an SEC team where they just don't do such things, apparently aTm just didn't get how to cover it.

Just my take, but hell, I'm an old man who used to mumble under his breath at the Bill as KSU ran that thing for years and got nada with it (and faked it far more often and defenses didn't seem to care).  However, that could be selective memory (senility and all).

Agreed.  I'm sure the success rate for that play is much higher than my recollection, but that is like the first KSU jet sweep I've ever seen be successful.

[BackPayne]

I hope this post was created with 100% sarcasm.

[kslim]

Not getting on a Dimel bandwagon. I'm happy the Cats won but his play calling frustrated me too much this season and last.

i cant recall 1 single short side option play this year

PROGRESS!!

[kso_FAN]

The ability to produce the best (YPC) running game in Snyder history without a consistent downfield passing game (only 6.5 YPA). The lowest turnover rate under Snyder. The development of a young oline into a dominant unit. The progression of a young group of running backs and receivers.

All of that is impressive to me.

[michigancat]

He always seems to come up with cool (effective) plays that I've never seen before. Like some of the run pass option variations and that fake long bomb that was really a QB sweep that we ran against OU.

[Katpappy]

I still don't like him.  Wasn't last year when the team had a meeting due to the crappy play calling of Dana/Del.

[Cire]

He has shown to be very innovative during this stint.  I'm sure a lot of that has to do with Bill being hands off.


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[Cire]

I've seen several teams this bowl season running a lot of the run pass concepts that we run and it looks terrible/awkward while sisco and friends make it look effortless


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[DQ12]

The scheme is great.  The playcalling is pretty bizarre sometimes (particularly WVU).

[0.42]

The scheme is great.  The playcalling is pretty bizarre sometimes (particularly WVU).

This is my view. It's possible to complement Dimel/Synds for having a good overall strategy and criticize them for individual dumbass play calls at the same time.

[Katpappy]

The scheme is great.  The playcalling is pretty bizarre sometimes (particularly WVU).

This is my view. It's possible to complement Dimel/Synds for having a good overall strategy and criticize them for individual dumbass play calls at the same time.

Yes, this is how I feel.

[kso_FAN]

The scheme is great.  The playcalling is pretty bizarre sometimes (particularly WVU).

This is my view. It's possible to complement Dimel/Synds for having a good overall strategy and criticize them for individual dumbass play calls at the same time.

Oh, there are plenty of questionable decisions. But I know that part of that is the evolution of a team and figuring out what you have to work with. For a season and a third that last two seasons I don't think they had it figured out, but after WVU they did.

Let's not forget that agaisnt WVU we ran it 42 times for 120 yards. 2.86 per carry with this year's offense is pretty rough, fortunately in that game our defense kept us in it. However, I do think the staff learned a lot from that one and it showed (besides OU) after that.

[DQ12]

The scheme is great.  The playcalling is pretty bizarre sometimes (particularly WVU).

This is my view. It's possible to complement Dimel/Synds for having a good overall strategy and criticize them for individual dumbass play calls at the same time.

Oh, there are plenty of questionable decisions. But I know that part of that is the evolution of a team and figuring out what you have to work with. For a season and a third that last two seasons I don't think they had it figured out, but after WVU they did.

Let's not forget that agaisnt WVU we ran it 42 times for 120 yards. 2.86 per carry with this year's offense is pretty rough, fortunately in that game our defense kept us in it. However, I do think the staff learned a lot from that one and it showed (besides OU) after that.

Yep.  Don't get me wrong.  I like Dimel, and I trust Dimel.  During games I'll curse him sometimes though. 

[0.42]

The scheme is great.  The playcalling is pretty bizarre sometimes (particularly WVU).

This is my view. It's possible to complement Dimel/Synds for having a good overall strategy and criticize them for individual dumbass play calls at the same time.

Oh, there are plenty of questionable decisions. But I know that part of that is the evolution of a team and figuring out what you have to work with. For a season and a third that last two seasons I don't think they had it figured out, but after WVU they did.

Let's not forget that agaisnt WVU we ran it 42 times for 120 yards. 2.86 per carry with this year's offense is pretty rough, fortunately in that game our defense kept us in it. However, I do think the staff learned a lot from that one and it showed (besides OU) after that.

 

Always appreciate your perspective, _FAN.

[kso_FAN]

In a league known for offense, and by most metrics the best P5 offensive league in the country, K-State was the 3rd best offense in conference play. That's behind OU, who arguably had the best offense in the country and OSU, who had a Top 20 offense.

Yes, Tech's season offense was better, but in Big 12 play when you look at PPP, PPD, Succ%, and PPD<40 we were equal or better.

K-State was hurt in the metrics (again) because our YPP doesn't equate with our PPP or Succ%. We will likely be a more explosive offense next year though and that will put us in the top 20 in the advanced metrics instead of the 40s.