post here when someone decides to run for president in 2016

[Dugout DickStone]

Recent FoxNews poll has Hillary losing to Jeb Bush. Let that sink in for a minute. She still narrowly leads the field of other candidates, but at this early stage I think that is only a matter of name recognition. And the one Republican name most people recognize is Bush, who still beats her.

Jeb is easily the best republican candidate at this point, though.

I disagree. Putting the last name aside, Rubio and Walker are better candidates. Jeb is third.

Jeb is the only candidate that has an immigration policy that makes sense.

Jeb is too fat, he needs to diet

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Recent FoxNews poll has Hillary losing to Jeb Bush. Let that sink in for a minute. She still narrowly leads the field of other candidates, but at this early stage I think that is only a matter of name recognition. And the one Republican name most people recognize is Bush, who still beats her.

Jeb is easily the best republican candidate at this point, though.

I disagree. Putting the last name aside, Rubio and Walker are better candidates. Jeb is third.

Rubio talks out his ass too much, I think Walker will be strong

Huh - I think Walker has the better resume but Rubio is a much more dynamic speaker. Rubio also has a lot more foreign policy knowledge and experience due to his seat on the foreign relations and select intelligence committees. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/13/rubio-shows-jeb-how-foreign-policy-is-done.html#

[Rage Against the McKee]

Recent FoxNews poll has Hillary losing to Jeb Bush. Let that sink in for a minute. She still narrowly leads the field of other candidates, but at this early stage I think that is only a matter of name recognition. And the one Republican name most people recognize is Bush, who still beats her.

Jeb is easily the best republican candidate at this point, though.

I disagree. Putting the last name aside, Rubio and Walker are better candidates. Jeb is third.

Jeb is the only candidate that has an immigration policy that makes sense.

Jeb is too fat, he needs to diet

Can't argue with that.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Recent FoxNews poll has Hillary losing to Jeb Bush. Let that sink in for a minute. She still narrowly leads the field of other candidates, but at this early stage I think that is only a matter of name recognition. And the one Republican name most people recognize is Bush, who still beats her.

Jeb is easily the best republican candidate at this point, though.

I disagree. Putting the last name aside, Rubio and Walker are better candidates. Jeb is third.

Jeb is the only candidate that has an immigration policy that makes sense.

By which I guess you mean an "open borders" policy, more or less. I don't think that makes sense, for a whole host of reasons. Doesn't "make sense" to me to import poverty into a country with our massive and unsustainable welfare system, and which cannot even produce enough jobs to keep up with population growth. That really doesn't make sense at all.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Jeb is the only candidate that has an immigration policy that makes sense.

By which I guess you mean an "open borders" policy, more or less. I don't think that makes sense, for a whole host of reasons. Doesn't "make sense" to me to import poverty into a country with our massive and unsustainable welfare system, and which cannot even produce enough jobs to keep up with population growth. That really doesn't make sense at all.

The welfare system is precisely why we need labor. Good luck getting US citizens to work these jobs. They'd rather picket McDonald's to get $15 per hour than work for $30 per hour. Deporting your work force that actually performs labor just shuts down American-run businesses.

[Dugout DickStone]

Recent FoxNews poll has Hillary losing to Jeb Bush. Let that sink in for a minute. She still narrowly leads the field of other candidates, but at this early stage I think that is only a matter of name recognition. And the one Republican name most people recognize is Bush, who still beats her.

Jeb is easily the best republican candidate at this point, though.

I disagree. Putting the last name aside, Rubio and Walker are better candidates. Jeb is third.

Rubio talks out his ass too much, I think Walker will be strong

Huh - I think Walker has the better resume but Rubio is a much more dynamic speaker. Rubio also has a lot more foreign policy knowledge and experience due to his seat on the foreign relations and select intelligence committees. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/13/rubio-shows-jeb-how-foreign-policy-is-done.html#

Rubio's "felons can't vote but they totally have the right to own guns" contradiction shows me he will be sticking his foot in his mouth

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Jeb is the only candidate that has an immigration policy that makes sense.

By which I guess you mean an "open borders" policy, more or less. I don't think that makes sense, for a whole host of reasons. Doesn't "make sense" to me to import poverty into a country with our massive and unsustainable welfare system, and which cannot even produce enough jobs to keep up with population growth. That really doesn't make sense at all.

The welfare system is precisely why we need labor. Good luck getting US citizens to work these jobs. They'd rather picket McDonald's to get $15 per hour than work for $30 per hour. Deporting your work force that actually performs labor just shuts down American-run businesses.

So we need to import more poor people - who will be on at least some forms of welfare - because the people who are already on welfare won't work these jobs? Seems like a better solution would be re-reform welfare. I don't subscribe to corporate welfare, which is exactly what open borders policy is.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Jeb is the only candidate that has an immigration policy that makes sense.

By which I guess you mean an "open borders" policy, more or less. I don't think that makes sense, for a whole host of reasons. Doesn't "make sense" to me to import poverty into a country with our massive and unsustainable welfare system, and which cannot even produce enough jobs to keep up with population growth. That really doesn't make sense at all.

The welfare system is precisely why we need labor. Good luck getting US citizens to work these jobs. They'd rather picket McDonald's to get $15 per hour than work for $30 per hour. Deporting your work force that actually performs labor just shuts down American-run businesses.

So we need to import more poor people - who will be on at least some forms of welfare - because the people who are already on welfare won't work these jobs? Seems like a better solution would be re-reform welfare. I don't subscribe to corporate welfare, which is exactly what open borders policy is.

Well, I prefer the pro-business, pro-economy stance that Jeb Bush has taken.

[star seed 7]

Ok

[star seed 7]

stole from shaggy but made me

Funny Jeb story
"Pitbull" (the singer/rapper/whatever the eff he is) was on Stern today.

He talked about meeting Jeb.

Jeb: "How'd you get the name Pitbull"

Pit: "When I was young, I was going to watch a pitbull dogfight in the Dominican Republic and one of my friends said "you remind me of a pitbull...you should change your name to Pitbull"

Jeb: "good thing you didn't go to a cockfight".

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

stole from shaggy but made me

Funny Jeb story
"Pitbull" (the singer/rapper/whatever the eff he is) was on Stern today.

He talked about meeting Jeb.

Jeb: "How'd you get the name Pitbull"

Pit: "When I was young, I was going to watch a pitbull dogfight in the Dominican Republic and one of my friends said "you remind me of a pitbull...you should change your name to Pitbull"

Jeb: "good thing you didn't go to a cockfight".

[Institutional Control]

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/george-patakis-moderate-record-makes-him-very-long-shot-gop-n363581

The expanding field of Republican presidential candidates grew by one more Thursday when former New York Governor George Pataki announced his candidacy in New Hampshire. Pataki's entrance is just the latest in an expanding 2016 presidential field with candidates representing a broad range of views within the party.

Would vote for.

[star seed 7]

I'm interested

[Rage Against the McKee]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/us/politics/rick-santorum-republican-2016-presidential-race.html?_r=0

Rick Santorum is back.

[ChiComCat]

What's the break down look like at this point?

Repubs (within reason):
Walker?
Bush
Cruz
Carson
Huckabee
Jindal?
Rubio
Pataki
Santorum

Dems:
Hillary
Sanders

[scottwildcat]

If Hillary  doesn't get the nomination is she the biggest failure in the history of politics?


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[Institutional Control]

If Hillary  doesn't get the nomination is she the biggest failure in the history of politics?


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If she's only competing against, Sanders... then yes.

[Rage Against the McKee]

What's the break down look like at this point?

Repubs (within reason):
Walker?
Bush
Cruz
Carson
Huckabee
Jindal?
Rubio
Pataki
Santorum

Dems:
Hillary
Sanders

The republicans also have Fiorina, Huckabee, and Paul. Lindsey Graham and Rick Perry are likely to run.

Martin O'Malley will probably announce he is running on the dem side.

[scottwildcat]

If Hillary  doesn't get the nomination is she the biggest failure in the history of politics?


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If she's only competing against, Sanders... then yes.

What dem could run that would make it not the biggest failure?


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[Institutional Control]

I like Warner, myself.

At this stage in '08 election, I don't think anyone thought Obama would beat out Hillary.  I think she has enough baggage that she could be beat easily.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Usually, one or two of the candidates nobody has ever heard of will perform well in the debates and become a household name. It's too early to pick winners, though Bush/Clinton sounds most likely at this point.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Bush/Clinton seem the least likely to me. Bush will fail miserably in the debates, and Hillary is disliked by the media.

[ChiComCat]

I don't think Bush will go far enough right with this many candidates.  I've mentioned before, but Clinton won't be able to get any momentum.  A Democrat will rise to challenge as some people will always want an alternative.  I would take the field over both.  If I had to pick now, maybe O'Malley and Walker

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don't think Bush will go far enough right with this many candidates.  I've mentioned before, but Clinton won't be able to get any momentum.  A Democrat will rise to challenge as some people will always want an alternative.  I would take the field over both.  If I had to pick now, maybe O'Malley and Walker

I think Bush being left of the other candidates works in his favor. There are about 20 candidates against him that will be splitting votes.

[Unruly]

Is Sanders not seriously being considered?