Firing dumbass employees/ FR bitches about his job

[Dr Rick Daris]

I'm not in Kansas. Trust me. It's a huge, documenting pain in the ass just to fire someone who's borderline Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and a little belligerent, yet hasn't like "touched" anyone at work. To make matters worse, the person's legally a minority three-times over and has a litigious history. HR is all over me on this.

Yeah, I'm not in KS either.  Seems like all these back country hicks on this board don't understand what us civilized folk have to go through to get someone fired, amirite!?

seems to me like kansans get to freely fire retards and your nincompoop states don't allow you to do that. seems like maybe you are confusing who the backward hicks are. 

[steve dave]

I'm not in Kansas. Trust me. It's a huge, documenting pain in the ass just to fire someone who's borderline Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and a little belligerent, yet hasn't like "touched" anyone at work. To make matters worse, the person's legally a minority three-times over and has a litigious history. HR is all over me on this.

Yeah, I'm not in KS either.  Seems like all these back country hicks on this board don't understand what us civilized folk have to go through to get someone fired, amirite!?

seems to me like kansans get to freely fire retards and your nincompoop states don't allow you to do that. seems like maybe you are confusing who the backward hicks are.  

Yeah, I was being sarcastic, we fired someone for being a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) just yesterday!    Also, on the 16th, another one gets it!

[Dr Rick Daris]

I'm not in Kansas. Trust me. It's a huge, documenting pain in the ass just to fire someone who's borderline Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and a little belligerent, yet hasn't like "touched" anyone at work. To make matters worse, the person's legally a minority three-times over and has a litigious history. HR is all over me on this.

Yeah, I'm not in KS either.  Seems like all these back country hicks on this board don't understand what us civilized folk have to go through to get someone fired, amirite!?

seems to me like kansans get to freely fire retards and your nincompoop states don't allow you to do that. seems like maybe you are confusing who the backward hicks are. 

Yeah, I was being sarcastic, we fired someone for being a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) just yesterday! 

[felix rex]

I'm not in Kansas. Trust me. It's a huge, documenting pain in the ass just to fire someone who's borderline Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and a little belligerent, yet hasn't like "touched" anyone at work. To make matters worse, the person's legally a minority three-times over and has a litigious history. HR is all over me on this.

Yeah, I'm not in KS either.  Seems like all these back country hicks on this board don't understand what us civilized folk have to go through to get someone fired, amirite!?

seems to me like kansans get to freely fire retards and your nincompoop states don't allow you to do that. seems like maybe you are confusing who the backward hicks are.  

Yeah, I was being sarcastic, we fired someone for being a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) just yesterday!    Also, on the 16th, another one gets it!

so jealous.

Wish I could personally frogwalk these jokers out.

[kougar24]

I'm not in Kansas. Trust me. It's a huge, documenting pain in the ass just to fire someone who's borderline Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and a little belligerent, yet hasn't like "touched" anyone at work. To make matters worse, the person's legally a minority three-times over and has a litigious history. HR is all over me on this.

Yeah, I'm not in KS either.  Seems like all these back country hicks on this board don't understand what us civilized folk have to go through to get someone fired, amirite!?

I'M IN KANSAS AND I CAN'T GET SOMEONE FIRED!

Another great option is to have "layoffs" but use them to just fire the hell out of a big group of slack asses. 

You'd think this would be a great excuse to cut crappy employees, but some companies fail to realize this, and end up cutting as many good emps as bad ones.

Amirite pissclams?

i think it takes too long to sort through the good and the bad, they figure in job markets like these that they'll easily replace the missing good ones they let go.

I'd like to think this was the main reason, but in my limited experience I've come to think nepotism is at the root of about 87% of the dumbass hirings/firings.

[The Whale]

Think the general problem with the layoffs approach is that the company winds up having to pay unemployment.  If you get them fired for cause though, the company doesn't have to pay anything.

Of course, if the company doesn't have a problem with the layoff as a firing approach, I'd go with that.

[steve dave]

Think the general problem with the layoffs approach is that the company winds up having to pay unemployment.  If you get them fired for cause though, the company doesn't have to pay anything.

Of course, if the company doesn't have a problem with the layoff as a firing approach, I'd go with that.

Yeah, really only the best option if your company is basically a FP and doesn't want to deal with the firing for cause stuff (which it seems like there is a lot of in this thread).

[felix rex]

Think the general problem with the layoffs approach is that the company winds up having to pay unemployment.  If you get them fired for cause though, the company doesn't have to pay anything.

Of course, if the company doesn't have a problem with the layoff as a firing approach, I'd go with that.

Yeah, really only the best option if your company is basically a FP and doesn't want to deal with the firing for cause stuff (which it seems like there is a lot of in this thread).

We just got a new HR manager, our third in four years (apparently, they're the only position it's easy to fire people from). He insists that "this won't be a problem moving forward so long as its documented". So, I forwarded the documentation along with my recommendation up the chain.

We'll see. 

[pissclams]

Think the general problem with the layoffs approach is that the company winds up having to pay unemployment.  If you get them fired for cause though, the company doesn't have to pay anything.

Of course, if the company doesn't have a problem with the layoff as a firing approach, I'd go with that.

companies rarely fire for cause anymore; you rrrreeeeeaaaalllllllllyyy have to screw up to get canned.  the potential litigation is just not worth it, they'd rather layoff,  pay unemployment, and be done with it all.  it's a great business model. 

[chum1]

It's really not that hard.  You just have to know how to document.  You wait until you've got a big list of the problematic occurences, have them sign a corrective action plan under which failure to comply is grounds for dismissal, and wait for them to screw up.  If they screw up, fire them.  If they don't screw up, there's no longer a problem.  If you continue to think that there is, it's your problem.

[pissclams]

It's really not that hard.  You just have to know how to document.  You wait until you've got a big list of the problematic occurences, have them sign a corrective action plan under which failure to comply is grounds for dismissal, and wait for them to screw up.  If they screw up, fire them.  If they don't screw up, there's no longer a problem.  If you continue to think that there is, it's your problem.

that actually sounds like a big pain in the ass and much harder than having a one person layoff.

[chum1]

Anyone who thinks it's a big PIA just isn't cut out for middle managment.  That's the type of thing that they do.  Personally, I think there are much better reasons not to be middle management.

[felix rex]

It's really not that hard.  You just have to know how to document.  You wait until you've got a big list of the problematic occurences, have them sign a corrective action plan under which failure to comply is grounds for dismissal, and wait for them to screw up.  If they screw up, fire them.  If they don't screw up, there's no longer a problem.  If you continue to think that there is, it's your problem.

This is exactly the process we've set in motion.

[nicname]

I had no idea the bbs was chalk full of shot callers.

 .... ..... ........ ......GTFO!

[jmlynch1]

Hate to break it to you Felix Rex but sounds like you are a racist.

[felix rex]

Hate to break it to you Felix Rex but sounds like you are a racist.

Ha. Trust me. That's the last thing I'm worried about being accused of in this. 

[felix rex]

So, I had an employee start crying during their evaluation today. And it wasn't even that bad of an evaluation. I almost want to dock their overall review right there. I mean, I hate evals and think they're largely useless/counterproductive, but still. Grow the eff up.

TIP TO UPCOMING GRADUATES/JOBSEEKERS: Don't rough ridin' cry at work.

[michigancat]

I mean, I hate evals and think they're largely useless/counterproductive, but still.

As someone who's had one review in 2-1/2 years, I disagree.

[Saulbadguy]

So, I had an employee start crying during their evaluation today. And it wasn't even that bad of an evaluation. I almost want to dock their overall review right there. I mean, I hate evals and think they're largely useless/counterproductive, but still. Grow the eff up.

TIP TO UPCOMING GRADUATES/JOBSEEKERS: Don't rough ridin' cry at work.

If it was a man, that should be a fireable offense.

[felix rex]

So, I had an employee start crying during their evaluation today. And it wasn't even that bad of an evaluation. I almost want to dock their overall review right there. I mean, I hate evals and think they're largely useless/counterproductive, but still. Grow the shazbot! up.

TIP TO UPCOMING GRADUATES/JOBSEEKERS: Don't fracking cry at work.

If it was a man, that should be a fireable offense.

Agreed. But it was a girl. I think this is her first "grown-up" job.

[pissclams]

I mean, I hate evals and think they're largely useless/counterproductive, but still.

As someone who's had one review in 2-1/2 years, I disagree.

felix is correct in as much as the majority of people who perform the review are lazy asses who find it too difficult to provide the difficult feedback that most often times is the most actionable.  it's so much easier to just go in and say "u're doin great!!" then shoot the crap for the remaining 29.5 minutes.

[Saulbadguy]

I mean, I hate evals and think they're largely useless/counterproductive, but still.

As someone who's had one review in 2-1/2 years, I disagree.

felix is correct in as much as the majority of people who perform the review are lazy asses who find it too difficult to provide the difficult feedback that most often times is the most actionable.  it's so much easier to just go in and say "u're doin great!!" then shoot the crap for the remaining 29.5 minutes.

Before they revamped our review process you had to provide justification for giving an exceptional review, or unsatisfactory review, so everyone got "satisfactory" reviews.

[felix rex]

I mean, I hate evals and think they're largely useless/counterproductive, but still.

As someone who's had one review in 2-1/2 years, I disagree.

felix is correct in as much as the majority of people who perform the review are lazy asses who find it too difficult to provide the difficult feedback that most often times is the most actionable.  it's so much easier to just go in and say "u're doin great!!" then shoot the crap for the remaining 29.5 minutes.

Before they revamped our review process you had to provide justification for giving an exceptional review, or unsatisfactory review, so everyone got "satisfactory" reviews.

lol. We just 'revamped' to the justification model.

And 'clams is spot on.

[michigancat]

I mean, I hate evals and think they're largely useless/counterproductive, but still.

As someone who's had one review in 2-1/2 years, I disagree.

felix is correct in as much as the majority of people who perform the review are lazy asses who find it too difficult to provide the difficult feedback that most often times is the most actionable.  it's so much easier to just go in and say "u're doin great!!" then shoot the crap for the remaining 29.5 minutes.

Before they revamped our review process you had to provide justification for giving an exceptional review, or unsatisfactory review, so everyone got "satisfactory" reviews.

lol. We just 'revamped' to the justification model.

And 'clams is spot on.

sounds like you aren't cut out for management. 

[WillieWatanabe]

So, I had an employee start crying during their evaluation today. And it wasn't even that bad of an evaluation. I almost want to dock their overall review right there. I mean, I hate evals and think they're largely useless/counterproductive, but still. Grow the shazbot! up.

TIP TO UPCOMING GRADUATES/JOBSEEKERS: Don't fracking cry at work.

If it was a man, that should be a fireable offense.

Agreed. But it was a girl. I think this is her first "grown-up" job.

Is she hot?