That damned racist Tea Party :shakesfist:

[ChiComCat]

lol @ the GOP not being racist because they got their first black female congresswoman 46 years after democrats

[Rage Against the McKee]

Some charity should start having raffles for vouchers for poor students who are being failed by Kansas public schools. Let the gambling addicts pay for the vouchers.

[CNS]

Some charity should start having raffles for vouchers for poor students who are being failed by Kansas public schools. Let the gambling addicts pay for the vouchers.

MO did this with riverboat casinos.  Promised something like $80 mill to schools.  At the time my boss was a KCMO area school board pres.  He noted that the casino money did indeed make it to the schools, and then the state pulled $80 million, originating from other rev sources, back out and kept the budget net equal.  No one lied, they just did exactly what no one thought they were voting for.  Bait and switch.

[MakeItRain]

No, not "Everyone" believes that MIR, not even close.   The blanket statement by many when asked, is "more money".   Not more efficency, not better administration, simply "more money".

NY is 43% above the national avg on spending per pupil, we're talking the entire state of NY, not just NYC.

Typical State Education Rank for NY around 20th.

I'm going to go out on a pretty strong limb and say that I know significantly more educators and administrators in New York. Everyone that I know spends much of their time attempting to spend more efficiently instead of asking for more money. The all educators just want all of our cash boogeyman is right up there with the there are people committing election fraud boogeyman and the Obama is going to cause all of us to get Ebola boogeyman.

[michigancat]

I'm 100% a socialist when it comes to education.

[MakeItRain]

I'm 100% a socialist when it comes to education.

ummm

[_33]

MIR how many educators and administrators do you know in NY?  I know 14.

[MakeItRain]

MIR how many educators and administrators do you know in NY?  I know 14.

That's cute _33. I married into a family of NYS educators and and a couple of educational rights attorneys. Go make us a video.

[michigancat]

I'm 100% a socialist when it comes to education.

ummm

I'm only in favor of consolidation when it's best for the kids.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Some things that need to be set straight here:

1. About half the state budget is spent on education and way more than half the state's income taxes come from Johnson County - JoCo does in fact fund other districts.

2. If the only criticisms of the voucher system are that it makes a terrible school worse and kids have to go further to get to school, then the voucher system must be pretty great. Forcing people to stay in bad situations because "neighborhood" is a pretty dumb reason.

3. NY costs more than Kansas, but not 5 times as much.  Not even twice as much. So that doesn't even begin to explain the gap in spending per kid.

4. The synergies created by consolidation probably create de minimis cost savings. An inordinate and ever increasing amount of money is being spent on "special needs" children. This is caused in large part by a cottage industry of behavioral shrinks, paras, administrators, etc who have a vested interest in diagnosing every kid who ever misbehaves with some kind of disability. It's disgusting and they're bleeding the system dry, while stunting the growth of perfectly normal children. Even more disgusting are the doctors who give these children methamphetamine to correct their behavior.

5. Being a teacher is an inherently low skill job. You teach kids the most rudimentary concepts 8-9 months per year. That's why the job doesn't pay millions.

[gatoveintisiete]

Preach Sugar, Preach!!!!!

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

While everything you say may be true, FSD, you really need to break it down into much smaller bites for your libtard audience.

[michigancat]

Some things that need to be set straight here:

1. About half the state budget is spent on education and way more than half the state's income taxes come from Johnson County - JoCo does in fact fund other districts.

 you think fact A and "fact" B produce that conclusion.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Some things that need to be set straight here:

1. About half the state budget is spent on education and way more than half the state's income taxes come from Johnson County - JoCo does in fact fund other districts.

2. If the only criticisms of the voucher system are that it makes a terrible school worse and kids have to go further to get to school, then the voucher system must be pretty great. Forcing people to stay in bad situations because "neighborhood" is a pretty dumb reason.

3. NY costs more than Kansas, but not 5 times as much.  Not even twice as much. So that doesn't even begin to explain the gap in spending per kid.

4. The synergies created by consolidation probably create de minimis cost savings. An inordinate and ever increasing amount of money is being spent on "special needs" children. This is caused in large part by a cottage industry of behavioral shrinks, paras, administrators, etc who have a vested interest in diagnosing every kid who ever misbehaves with some kind of disability. It's disgusting and they're bleeding the system dry, while stunting the growth of perfectly normal children. Even more disgusting are the doctors who give these children methamphetamine to correct their behavior.

5. Being a teacher is an inherently low skill job. You teach kids the most rudimentary concepts 8-9 months per year. That's why the job doesn't pay millions.

1. Do you have a link to income tax revenues broken down by county? I doubt "way more than half" of them come from Johnson County, but even if that were true, less than half of the state's revenues come from income tax, anyway. Johnson county accounts for well under half of all sales tax revenues, which makes your statement that much less believable.

2. Who gets a voucher and who has to stay in the school you just made worse? A system that harms more people than it helps is a bad system.

3. NY doesn't spend twice as much per pupil as Kansas does. Kansas spends around $13,000.

4. I have no idea what you are talking about here.

5. I agree that teachers are mostly compensated fairly in Kansas. I would like to see year round school, with appropriate pay adjustments to compensate, though.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

95% of New York is farms, ranches and dairies with Kansas type people.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Some things that need to be set straight here:

1. About half the state budget is spent on education and way more than half the state's income taxes come from Johnson County - JoCo does in fact fund other districts.

I assumed it was common knowledge that JoCo was about 20-25% of the state's population. Guess not. 

 you think fact A and "fact" B produce that conclusion.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

2. Who gets a voucher and who has to stay in the school you just made worse? A system that harms more people than it helps is a bad system.

3. NY doesn't spend twice as much per pupil as Kansas does. Kansas spends around $13,000.

4. I have no idea what you are talking about here.

5. I agree that teachers are mostly compensated fairly in Kansas. I would like to see year round school, with appropriate pay adjustments to compensate, though.

2. Agreed, that was the point.

3. According to Paul Davis Kansas only spends 3950 per kid. Either way, the amount of money NY isn't entirely explained by col

4. Cool

5. I don't think the NEA, would go for that.

[michigancat]

Some things that need to be set straight here:

1. About half the state budget is spent on education and way more than half the state's income taxes come from Johnson County - JoCo does in fact fund other districts.

I assumed it was common knowledge that JoCo was about 20-25% of the state's population. Guess not. 

 you think fact A and "fact" B produce that conclusion.

And you drop in another irrelevant fact in a quote fail.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Over simplification is always a dangerous proposition in the Pit, but also necessary to explain things to the unwashed masses.  Such a conundrum.

Let's try again, If JoCo represents 22% of the population and 23% of the state's general fund comes from taxes on JoCo peeps and bus., then JoCo is subsidizing other counties' education.  Does anyone actually doubt that JoCo residents and businesses fund a larger percentage of the state's general fund than its percent of the state’s population?  If so, derp derp away

[Rage Against the McKee]

Over simplification is always a dangerous proposition in the Pit, but also necessary to explain things to the unwashed masses.  Such a conundrum.

Let's try again, If JoCo represents 22% of the population and 23% of the state's general fund comes from taxes on JoCo peeps and bus., then JoCo is subsidizing other counties' education.  Does anyone actually doubt that JoCo residents and businesses fund a larger percentage of the state's general fund than its percent of the state’s population?  If so, derp derp away

You are also assuming that less than 23% of the state's general fund gets spent in Johnson County.

[michigancat]

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Over simplification is always a dangerous proposition in the Pit, but also necessary to explain things to the unwashed masses.  Such a conundrum.

Let's try again, If JoCo represents 22% of the population and 23% of the state's general fund comes from taxes on JoCo peeps and bus., then JoCo is subsidizing other counties' education.  Does anyone actually doubt that JoCo residents and businesses fund a larger percentage of the state's general fund than its percent of the state’s population?  If so, derp derp away

You are also assuming that less than 23% of the state's general fund gets spent in Johnson County.

Just the part allocated to education spending.   JFC is math not a thing anymore?  How can you people be so obtuse?  This is extremely simple.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

According to KDR, approximately 30% of sales tax revenue was derived from JOCO and it's munis in FY2014. Per the census 19% of the state's population lives there. Is it that hard to believe income taxes aren't collected at a similar or greater level (KDR doesn't have count by county data I could find) for the most affluent county in the state?

Are actually disputing that education isn't funded out of the general fund? Do you believe that JOCO receives the proportionate amount back paid in?

I assume you're just trying to provide cover for your own stupidity, but the pitsters aren't even that dumb.

[Rage Against the McKee]

According to KDR, approximately 30% of sales tax revenue was derived from JOCO and it's munis in FY2014. Per the census 19% of the state's population lives there. Is it that hard to believe income taxes aren't collected at a similar or greater level (KDR doesn't have count by county data I could find) for the most affluent county in the state?

Are actually disputing that education isn't funded out of the general fund? Do you believe that JOCO receives the proportionate amount back paid in?

I assume you're just trying to provide cover for your own stupidity, but the pitsters aren't even that dumb.

Half the budget is not education, though. 30% is not way more than half of the state's tax revenue. It is way less than half. I have little doubt that Johnson county pays more in taxes than it receives, but that doesn't mean that the citizens of Johnson County are subsidizing education for the rest of the state. Every county has its rich and poor.

[michigancat]

According to KDR, approximately 30% of sales tax revenue was derived from JOCO and it's munis in FY2014. Per the census 19% of the state's population lives there. Is it that hard to believe income taxes aren't collected at a similar or greater level (KDR doesn't have count by county data I could find) for the most affluent county in the state?

Are actually disputing that education isn't funded out of the general fund? Do you believe that JOCO receives the proportionate amount back paid in?

I assume you're just trying to provide cover for your own stupidity, but the pitsters aren't even that dumb.

I'm not even arguing with you, just laughing at your horrible attempt at logic.