Voter ID

[star seed 7]

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Pete  Hyacinth
2 days ago
We need the name for the perp.

We have a good picture of him. someone knows him.

With facial recognition software he could be found, if all his cohorts in crime are silent.

Deploy enough cameras back up by facial recognition software and this guy will not even be able to shop at Walmart.

Hey cars have dash cams for insurance purposes. if they were connected of periodically downloaded, you could do what the government does or refuses to do.

Pete is the best

[renocat]

Give them a new Obama phone and they will vote.  Voter apathy is a bigger hurdle to overcome.  I am not real fond of having to show an ID, but its the law --so live with it.

[8manpick]

To get a drivers license / ID in Illinois, my passport, KS drivers license, 2 bills showing Chicago address,  pay stub, and most recent two years w-2's showing SS# were not enough. Since I didn't have my original social security card, they turned me away. They are only open M-F 8-5. I can see how obtaining an ID could be difficult for people without flexible jobs.

[8manpick]

But shouldn't they want their (poor, disenfranchised) base to have easier access to valid ID and all that?

[8manpick]

Or maybe they are trying to make it more difficult for people with jobs (conservatives) to get IDs? Just spitballing here...

[8manpick]

Writing these from the social security office, where I've been for over an hour.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I dunno, but I'd agree that this sounds like more of a problem cause by a bloated, unwieldy, and nonsensical liberal bureaucracy than an attempt discriminate against minorities. Maybe try pretending that you only speak spanish and see if that helps? Also, does IL require an ID to vote?

[8manpick]

I dunno, but I'd agree that this sounds like more of a problem cause by a bloated, unwieldy, and nonsensical liberal bureaucracy than an attempt discriminate against minorities. Maybe try pretending that you only speak spanish and see if that helps? Also, does IL require an ID to vote?

All I know is it sucks and is a pain in the ass. Is it too late to get an absentee ballot for Kansas? Maybe I'll just vote there. Not sure on Illinois voter ID, but I doubt it.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/10/24/could-non-citizens-decide-the-november-election/

Could control of the Senate in 2014 be decided by illegal votes cast by non-citizens? Some argue that incidents of voting by non-citizens are so rare as to be inconsequential, with efforts to block fraud a screen for an agenda to prevent poor and minority voters from exercising the franchise, while others define such incidents as a threat to democracy itself. Both sides depend more heavily on anecdotes than data.
 
In a forthcoming article in the journal Electoral Studies, we bring real data from big social science survey datasets to bear on the question of whether, to what extent, and for whom non-citizens vote in U.S. elections. Most non-citizens do not register, let alone vote. But enough do that their participation can change the outcome of close races.
 
Our data comes from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES). Its large number of observations (32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the non-immigrant sub-population, with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010. For the 2008 CCES, we also attempted to match respondents to voter files so that we could verify whether they actually voted.
 
How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.
 
Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin.
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We also find that one of the favorite policies advocated by conservatives to prevent voter fraud appears strikingly ineffective. Nearly three quarters of the non-citizens who indicated they were asked to provide photo identification at the polls claimed to have subsequently voted.

[star seed 7]

A lot of assumption in that

That last sentence is pretty  tho

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

A lot of assumption in that

That last sentence is pretty  tho

Voter ID is not geared at stopping illegal aliens from voting - it is aimed at stopping people from casting votes for other registered voters. You register first, then you have to prove you are the registered voter you say you are at the polls. Obviously, it appears we also have a problem with registering illegal voters...

[star seed 7]

I would agree those are all problems

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

 

That was a lot of effort to perpetuate a myth. These are the people that should be finding the loch Ness monster and bigfoot

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I thought we've made it abundantly clear that "voter fraud is a myth" is a myth, a tag line pushed by people who were cheating and wanted to continue cheating.

Do people still deny that voter fraud exists? I thought the debate was about what level of fraud is tolerable (none imho)?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Another case of confirmed voter fraud in NM. Could have been prevented by voter ID. Who can say how many illegal votes aren't being caught?

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3607682.shtml#.VFaqjXi9LTp

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

And more of the same

North Carolina election officials repeatedly offered ballots last week to an impostor who arrived at polling places with the names and addresses of 'inactive' voters who hadn't participated in elections for many years.

No fraudulent votes were actually cast: It was the latest undercover video sting from conservative activist James O'Keefe, whose filmmaking résumé reads like a target list of liberal causes.

He famously shuttered ACORN, the community organizing outfit once linked to Barack Obama. He dressed in an Osama bin Laden costume and waded across the Rio Grande from Mexico to America as a show of disdain for U.S. border policy. He videotaped people admitting they sold taxpayer-provided cellphones for drugs, shoes, handbags and spending cash.

Now O'Keefe has strolled into more than 20 voting precincts in Raleigh, Durham and Greensboro, N.C., proffering the names of people who seldom vote in order to test the integrity of the election process. It seems to have failed on a massive scale.

'I just sign this and then I can vote?' he asked one poll worker. 'Yep,' came the reply.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2818443/James-O-Keefe-s-video-shows-North-Carolina-poll-workers-offering-ballots.html#ixzz3I2gsrWlU
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[Rage Against the McKee]

How is O'Keefe not in jail?

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

How is O'Keefe not in jail?

He didn't actually vote, unlike the others.

[Rage Against the McKee]

How is O'Keefe not in jail?

He didn't actually vote, unlike the others.

He collected the ballots, though. What if those inactive voters were to actually show up for that election?

[Fedor]

I was not in the system despite voting for the last several years.  I had to fill out a provisional ballot.  Also, there were no doughnuts.  Being disenfranchised really sucks guys.

[Tobias]

how many provisional ballots did you fill out?  like twenty?

[Rage Against the McKee]

I was not in the system despite voting for the last several years.  I had to fill out a provisional ballot.  Also, there were no doughnuts.  Being disenfranchised really sucks guys.

Sounds like voter fraud to me. I would tell Kobach about it.

http://www.kssos.org/elections/voterfraud/default.aspx

[CNS]

I was not in the system despite voting for the last several years.  I had to fill out a provisional ballot.  Also, there were no doughnuts.  Being disenfranchised really sucks guys.

CNSDad had same experience.  Has lived and voted from his current address for just short of a decade.  Was in the system for the primaries,  but not today's general election.   

[_33]

hmmmm...sounds like something fishy is going on.

[slucat]

apparently lots of polling places in the capitol city (of KS) -more dem leaning than most areas of KS, are experiencing long waits and problems with electronic voting systems.

fishy?