Voter ID

[ednksu]

We must stop voter fraud!  Because even though places like Kansas and Wisconsin have never been able to prove a single case of voter fraud these laws would have stopped, these laws are necessary!

[Rage Against the McKee]

Really, this issue outlines how shitty, archaic, and 20th century our practices for obtaining an ID are. You should not have to wait in line at all to get a driver's license. You should be able to fill out all the paperwork and if necessary, take the test online before you even show up. Drivers tests should be by appointment and the only process that should be handled inside of the DMV is taking a photograph.

[ednksu]

Really, this issue outlines how shitty, archaic, and 20th century our practices for obtaining an ID are. You should not have to wait in line at all to get a driver's license. You should be able to fill out all the paperwork and if necessary, take the test online before you even show up. Drivers tests should be by appointment and the only process that should be handled inside of the DMV is taking a photograph.

National IDs!!!! OBAMA FASCIST!!!!

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

So is it true that all people on welfare receive a "government assistance ID card"? Because that's listed as an acceptable form of identification to vote. Seems like that pretty much nixes the whole "too burdensome for poor people" argument.

I also agree that, putting voter fraud aside, it's maybe not such a bad thing to require at least a small amount of effort to vote.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I also agree that, putting voter fraud aside, it's maybe not such a bad thing to require at least a small amount of effort to vote.

I'm not sure if I agree with this. Maybe you could list some pros/cons.

[gatoveintisiete]

I tend to believe that people who are too busy to go and get an ID are also too busy to go vote.

The entire idea that there is widespread voter fraud is pretty ridiculous.

How much voter fraud is acceptable, I don't even know how to measure it, wanna use percentage of the vote?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I also agree that, putting voter fraud aside, it's maybe not such a bad thing to require at least a small amount of effort to vote.

I'm not sure if I agree with this. Maybe you could list some pros/cons.

I can't say this for certain, but I would assume that people who are willing to make an effort to vote have also made an effort to educate themselves and understand why they're voting for a particular candidate. They also care enough about their country to make the effort. Both of those are good qualities for the electorate, no matter which ideology. I'm not talking about running a 5k - we're talking extremely little effort here, and if you're not willing to even do that, you annoy me and I'm glad your vote doesn't count.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

We must stop voter fraud!  Because even though places like Kansas and Wisconsin have never been able to prove a single case of voter fraud these laws would have stopped, these laws are necessary!

NEVER A SINGLE CASE 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

GW Bush may have never been president if there had been a voter ID law in 1999. Back then illegal immigrants were more on the side of the republicans, especially those from Mexico.

[Rage Against the McKee]

GW Bush may have never been president if there had been a voter ID law in 1999. Back then illegal immigrants were more on the side of the republicans, especially those from Mexico.

How did they register to vote?

[Paul Moscow]

GW Bush may have never been president if there had been a voter ID law in 1999. Back then illegal immigrants were more on the side of the republicans, especially those from Mexico.

How did they register to vote?

Exactly, they a) can't and b) never would because what immigrant lacking documentation would walk into an office who's nearly sole purpose is to verify documentation? The majority of illegal immigrants don't have checking accounts, credit cards, driver's licenses, etc because they're afraid that by trying to get one they'll get deported. It's absolutely insane that anyone thinks any "illegal" immigrant would risk everything they have to cast 1 ballot in an election.

[Paul Moscow]

We must stop voter fraud!  Because even though places like Kansas and Wisconsin have never been able to prove a single case of voter fraud these laws would have stopped, these laws are necessary!

NEVER A SINGLE CASE 

How many has Kobach found?

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

GW Bush may have never been president if there had been a voter ID law in 1999. Back then illegal immigrants were more on the side of the republicans, especially those from Mexico.

How did they register to vote?

same way they do it now, stolen social security number, name and address.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

GW Bush may have never been president if there had been a voter ID law in 1999. Back then illegal immigrants were more on the side of the republicans, especially those from Mexico.

How did they register to vote?

Exactly, they a) can't and b) never would because what immigrant lacking documentation would walk into an office who's nearly sole purpose is to verify documentation? The majority of illegal immigrants don't have checking accounts, credit cards, driver's licenses, etc because they're afraid that by trying to get one they'll get deported. It's absolutely insane that anyone thinks any "illegal" immigrant would risk everything they have to cast 1 ballot in an election.

none of this is true.  Good grief

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

GW Bush may have never been president if there had been a voter ID law in 1999. Back then illegal immigrants were more on the side of the republicans, especially those from Mexico.

How did they register to vote?

Exactly, they a) can't and b) never would because what immigrant lacking documentation would walk into an office who's nearly sole purpose is to verify documentation? The majority of illegal immigrants don't have checking accounts, credit cards, driver's licenses, etc because they're afraid that by trying to get one they'll get deported. It's absolutely insane that anyone thinks any "illegal" immigrant would risk everything they have to cast 1 ballot in an election.

Nobody is being deported, or even held in custody. They are being paid by ACORN and the hundreds of it's spinoffs. Load them on buses with a list of socials to register, then again to the polls. There is also a problem with citizens voting multiple times under different names. Registrars offices don't care and take the information at face value.

[Rage Against the McKee]

 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

This is pretty LOL.



So these guys laugh at the thought of voter fraud in general, but then to point out what a huge problem voter fraud actually is, but only on the republican side.

[sys]

having to register to vote is more of a barrier than having to possess identification.  registering to vote is such a ridiculous concept.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

having to register to vote is more of a barrier than having to possess identification.  registering to vote is such a ridiculous concept.

Yeah, if they had a national voter ID card, you wouldn't need to re-register every time you moved. I also like the purple thumb dye thing they do in other countries.

[ednksu]

We must stop voter fraud!  Because even though places like Kansas and Wisconsin have never been able to prove a single case of voter fraud these laws would have stopped, these laws are necessary!

NEVER A SINGLE CASE 

How many has Kobach found?

bingo

[sys]

Yeah, if they had a national voter ID card, you wouldn't need to re-register every time you moved.

if anyone wanted to sell the idea to the public, this is the way to do it.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

We must stop voter fraud!  Because even though places like Kansas and Wisconsin have never been able to prove a single case of voter fraud these laws would have stopped, these laws are necessary!

NEVER A SINGLE CASE 

How many has Kobach found?

bingo

We have voter id laws, retards.

[star seed 7]

Kinda sad how the resident neocons are acting out because renocat is stealing their attention

[CNS]

They are threatened by a real conservative, I guess.

[Panjandrum]

It's not just requiring ID.  For example, when we moved back to Kansas, my wife went out to the website and wrote down everything she needed to take.

She took her Missouri DL, birth certificate, SSN card, etc.  Pretty much everything she had.  When she got to the polling place, they wanted to see her marriage certificate so they could prove that she was married to me, and that's why her name on her current ID didn't match her birth certificate.

It doesn't matter that she had two forms of ID that were considered fine; they needed something they didn't even tell her to bring.

When I sat in the DMV waiting to get all of this taken care of, at least 50% of the people coming in were turned away because they didn't have enough ID.  They had all sorts of stuff, but it was about 75% of what they needed.  Even when I did get all of it done, I requested to register to vote when I got my DL, for which I provided all of the necessary info, and I was still told to send in a picture of my Passport to the county voting office.

Look, I'm all for responsible identification, but what they are doing is incredibly complex for 90% of the people out there.  It's almost designed frustrate people to the point of, "Eff it, I don't give a crap about voting."