what a shitty f'ing offense

[catzacker]

All around. I thought the line did a decent job with protection though.  But the entire offense is just Lockett.  Once he's removed the deep threat is no longer there and the other receivers, well....other being sexton, don't have the talent to make teams pay. 

waters is not special.  he's an avg big 12 qb.  he's an avg passer and avg decision maker whose legs can only be used against teams like isu.  anyone else with any speed on D can easily contain him.  then take away lockett with press coverage and a safety on top, and it's ball game.

that was an absolute crap show.  auburn bated us into deep throws (that were well covered) all night long to set up 2nd or 3rd and longs and we went for it.  we could do nothing (not shockingly) on the ground, because or qb can't run and our OL run blocking against teams with any size or speed is awful.

next year will be absolutely horrible.

[sonofdaxjones]

All around. I thought the line did a decent job with protection though.  But the entire offense is just Lockett.  Once he's removed the deep threat is no longer there and the other receivers, well....other being sexton, don't have the talent to make teams pay. 

waters is not special.  he's an avg big 12 qb.  he's an avg passer and avg decision maker whose legs can only be used against teams like isu.  anyone else with any speed on D can easily contain him.  then take away lockett with press coverage and a safety on top, and it's ball game.

that was an absolute crap show.  auburn bated us into deep throws (that were well covered) all night long to set up 2nd or 3rd and longs and we went for it.  we could do nothing (not shockingly) on the ground, because or qb can't run and our OL run blocking against teams with any size or speed is awful.

next year will be absolutely horrible.

I agree and once again we get into a game like this and have a whole series of mystifying play calls at crucial moments of the game.   People are talking about our lack of a running game, yet from my perceptive outside of a "gotta keep'em honest set of calls", there was no real concentrated effort to have a running game, and Jake Waters is never going to scare a defense with speed on the edges.

We had a chance to win last night, but our little DITR's have absolutely no margin for error and  once again one has to point back to the $hitty job Snyder and staff have done recruiting over the last five years.

[steve dave]

Calling Waters an Avg B12 QB is being generous. Our WRs and RBs are even further below avg. Agree that the OL did a nice job pass blocking. Knowing all of that it is infuriating that it still took multiple fuckups we caused ourselves to lose this game. Winners don't make those mistakes though.

[Cire]

no running game

[catzacker]

Calling Waters an Avg B12 QB is being generous. Our WRs and RBs are even further below avg. Agree that the OL did a nice job pass blocking. Knowing all of that it is infuriating that it still took multiple fuckups we caused ourselves to lose this game. Winners don't make those mistakes though.

Yep. People will say "oh, if we didn't make those mistakes"....  well, ya know who makes shitty mistakes? Shitty teams. 

[OK_Cat]

The biggest struggle is our fan base, who continue to accept this crap because 'Bill will right the ship!'

[KanSt43]

Agreed that Waters is kind of sucky, but sadly he's the best (and only) option right now. 

[kso_FAN]

Bill put it on the passing game to win it because of Auburn stacking the box. He stayed away from the run most of the game because of that.

There were aspects I liked.
We protected well in the passing game.
I thought we did a lot of things to get Lockett/Sexton open. We put Lockett all over the place in formations and especially liked using him in motion as well. We did a nice job putting Sexton in positions to get open, especially when Auburn was putting a safety over the top on Lockett.
We had some nice wrinkles with Gronk, splitting him out and then motioning him to the backfield. A nice inside run then boot pass off of that, and I liked sending him on a vertical route taking a shot early in the first half.
Even though we threw it so much, we maintained TOP. This staff has put a lot on Waters with checks, but that allows us to break the huddle with 20-30 seconds and still use clock at the line of scrimmage.
When our backs get vertical, they were fine. We did some nice things attacking with inside zone, and it led to some decent runs.

Things I didn't like.
Inconsistency in finishing blocks up front in the running game. I mentioned the vertical creases we created at times, but for every decent run, there were a couple that Auburn's front 7 simply defeated a block and made a play. Also, Jones has solid burst and quickness, but he tried to bounce a couple runs and it wasn't happening.
Waters played a solid game, but too many mistakes cost us, starting with the opening drive fumble. He missed a few receivers as the game went along. Also, he's become trusting to a fault that his receivers will get open, especially when Auburn was bringing the blitz. He has to either get rid of the ball quicker or settle for throwing it away instead of taking sacks.
The worst drive was not taking advantage of the Auburn TO. Set up at the 39 and having to punt shouldn't happen.

Still, the offense generated 5 drives inside of the Auburn 15 yard line (one more inside the 25) and only scored 14 points. With just what we missed in FGs and drops, it could have generated 30 points. A guy that made 11 of 13 FGs last year missed 3 and a guy that is one of your best receivers all time had one go off his chest. It was a night when the offense put themselves in position, despite plenty of other mistakes, and they didn't finish drives.

[shivvyman]

What a shitty post.

The coaching was pretty damn good (on both sides of the ball) for this game. In fact, I was surprised how well they were calling plays that gave us opportunities.

Our problem was execution last night. Bill can't catch the damn ball and kick field goals too. We left 16 easy points out there with our missed field goals and Lockett drop in the end zone. Our turnover in the first on the 20 gave them the ball for an easy FG.

This game is on the players for wetting the bed when it mattered. It's amazing we only lost by 6 with all the fuckups we had. Nobody played a great game on either side of the ball other than McDaniel and maybe Sexton. We were in this game because of coaching.

[Mixed-Nutz]

I think Waters is really rough ridin' good, like really really good. I also don't think he fit us. I want that classic LHC Bill Snyder identity. We don't have it.

[kso_FAN]

Not being able to score like we did in this game is a complete anomaly. During Snyder 2 K-State has scored at about an 88% clip in the RZ and scored TDs in the RZ at about a 65% clip. So to have a game at 40% scoring/40% TDs in the RZ is something that simply doesn't happen (and won't) very often.

[Catchacold]

and just imagine the cats offense next year... 

[steve dave]

I think Waters is really rough ridin' good, like really really good. I also don't think he fit us. I want that classic LHC Bill Snyder identity. We don't have it.

I think he's Carson Coffman level good but less likeable.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think Waters is really rough ridin' good, like really really good. I also don't think he fit us. I want that classic LHC Bill Snyder identity. We don't have it.

I think he's Carson Coffman level good but less likeable.

I think Jake can throw the ball further than Carson. He would probably completely slaughter him in a punt-pass-kick competition.

[CNS]

Carsy was a better runner, imo(may not be statistically reinforced)

[Dugout DickStone]

You know what is really dumb?  Going to the WC every time we get in the red zone but never using it any other time. 

[CNS]

You know what is really dumb?  Going to the WC every time we get in the red zone but never using it any other time.

It seems like we should do something other than running between the guards with it every now and again, too. 

[KanSt43]

If we don't get a JUCO QB, it's either gonna be Ertz, Hubener, or a true Fresh. Let that sink in.

[Skipper44]

I think Waters is really rough ridin' good, like really really good. I also don't think he fit us. I want that classic LHC LHC Bill Snyder identity. We don't have it.

I think he's Carson Coffman level good but less likeable.

He is really is very similar to Matt Miller.  He doesn't have the accuracy or the arm strength on the long outs like May or Bishop. 

Frankly, the ceiling for this team is similar to 1995 team but this schedule is much tougher.  That team did have more weapons at WR - Running would be the clear number 2 on this team and Schwieger is pretty similar to Sexton. 

[Panjandrum]

If we don't get a JUCO QB, it's either gonna be Ertz, Hubener, or a true Fresh. Let that sink in.

We can do worse than Delton.

[sonofdaxjones]

The simple fact is, K-State has had 3 glowing opportunities to really step up and make an impression against out-of-conference opponents in 3 of the last 4 years.   The K-State defense for the most part has done an outstanding job of stepping up to the challenge of putting substantial breaking on 3 prolific offenses during that time.   Arkansas (Cotton Bowl), Oregon (Fiesta Bowl) and now Auburn.   

Yet in all 3 games, the offense has pi$$ed down their leg repeatedly (with some help from special teams).

That's a matter of recruiting difference maker athletes and we do not recruit difference maker athletes, and that's extremely disappointing in year 5 of Snyder II, with the full knowledge of the 90% goodness that was Snyder I.   All this fear of putting too much energy into guys we won't get, when you and I and everyone else knows there's a tier of players right below the elites who are quite good and there's no reason why K-State should not be grabbing more of those types of players.

[Panjandrum]

Jake throws a very nice ball, but he's not consistent with it.  Sometimes it's too high, sometimes it's too low, sometimes it's too hard, etc.

He has the arm.  What he lacks, IMO, is that touch and (whatever it is) that allows a QB to just put that ball wherever it needs to be.

[EMAWzified]

I'm a lot more confident of Snyder bringing around an offense than a defense. When a defense looks bad, it tends to stay bad all year. Offenses have looked bad early and come around. That's why I'm pleased with the defenses relatively good showing last night.

[slobber]

A Waters loving bud blamed Sexton for running a poor route on the almost td fade pass. I think my bud needs to stop slobbing Waters' knob.
Thoughts?


Gonna win 'em all!

[Dugout DickStone]

I'm a lot more confident of Snyder bringing around an offense than a defense. When a defense looks bad, it tends to stay bad all year. Offenses have looked bad early and come around. That's why I'm pleased with the defenses relatively good showing last night.

What can Snyder do about Jake's 3 turnover a game average?