The Civil War

[Pete]

If the South had won, the North would have had it's first black President by 1920, at the latest.

[AU_Tigers]

DNR any of this thread but if we are going to be honest here, Lee was the biggest badass I have ever read about, and if the North had a general 1/8th as badass as Lee, the war would have been over about 3 years before it was

Don't know if you were aware but Lincoln offered the job to Lee, but he turned it down and resigned to go home to Virginia. Had he taken it, history would be very very different indeed. Hell, if there was any other president in office than Lincoln, we would have 2 different countries now. Dude was a freaking political genius.

So we have Lincoln to blame.

lol

Seriously, do some reading on Lincoln during the war. Very very few people could have pulled that off. If you think Vietnam was an unpopular war, wait til you learn about what Lincoln had to go through.

That's not what he meant.  He meant we wish that the South had won.  apart from the horrible mass killing of black people that the southerns would have continued, our lives in the North would be way better without having to support the south.

Washington would be more like Toronto (clean and well run) and Atlanta would be exactly like Johannesburg (mansions and shanty towns and nothing in between).

I know what he meant, but thanks for outlining your vision of Utopia. Very enlightening.

jesus. blatant 

Yeah, I agree. What Pete wrote was disturbing.

[AU_Tigers]

If the South had won, the North would have had it's first black President by 1920, at the latest.

Obviously you don't know your history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots

"...Initially intended to express anger at the draft, the protests turned into a race riot, with white rioters, mainly but not exclusively Irish immigrants,[3] attacking blacks wherever they could find them. Estimates indicate at least 119 blacks were killed. "NY Draft Riots". The conditions in the city were such that Major General John E. Wool, commander of the Department of the East, said on July 16 that "Martial law ought to be proclaimed, but I have not a sufficient force to enforce it."[6] The military did not reach the city until after the first day of rioting, when mobs had already ransacked or destroyed numerous public buildings, two Protestant churches, the homes of various abolitionists or sympathizers, many black homes, and the Colored Orphan Asylum at 44th Street and Fifth Avenue, which was burned to the ground.[7]

The demographics of the city changed as a result of the riot. So many blacks left Manhattan permanently (many moving to Brooklyn), that by 1865 their population fell below 10,000, the number in 1820..."

[skycat]

Pete is right about the continuing deleterious effects of the South on our country as a whole, but I'll take that over a Confederate States with free reign to ramp up slavery to unfathomable levels of barbarity. We probably would've had to invade them eventually anyway for humanitarian reasons. The world would have demanded action to stop the slow-motion holocaust occurring in the Confederate States.

[mocat]

i think the fact that it is really really really easy to make fun the South for any number of reasons, while on the other hand it is very hard to come up with something to make fun of the North for (snow!  ) speaks volumes about both 

[Pete]

Pete is right about the continuing deleterious effects of the South on our country as a whole, but I'll take that over a Confederate States with free reign to ramp up slavery to unfathomable levels of barbarity. We probably would've had to invade them eventually anyway for humanitarian reasons. The world would have demanded action to stop the slow-motion holocaust occurring in the Confederate States.

Ya, you are right. 

[skycat]

You know why this thread works? It's the telling lack of Auburn fans in this thread condemning slavery, the Confederacy, and their treasonous slaveholding Rebel ancestors. I haven't seen one Auburn fan say, "Yep, you Northerners gave us a stomping, and it's a good thing you did. Our degenerate culture and barbaric ideology was tearing the country apart and making a mockery of everything it was supposed to stand for -- not to mention destroying the lives of generations of black people. Thanks to intelligent, brave Northerners with good morals and hygiene, millions of human beings were freed from bondage and America was given a chance to succeed. Cheers!"

But not a peep in that vein. Sad, really.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

You know why this thread works? It's the telling lack of Auburn fans in this thread condemning slavery, the Confederacy, and their treasonous slaveholding Rebel ancestors. I haven't seen one Auburn fan say, "Yep, you Northerners gave us a stomping, and it's a good thing you did. Our degenerate culture and barbaric ideology was tearing the country apart and making a mockery of everything it was supposed to stand for -- not to mention destroying the lives of generations of black people. Thanks to intelligent, brave Northerners with good morals and hygiene, millions of human beings were freed from bondage and America was given a chance to succeed. Cheers!"

But not a peep in that vein. Sad, really.

Any decent human being should be able to say that, but they just can't. Even most Germans now apologize for the Nazis, but the SEC just can't bring itself to denounce slavery and racism. Sad.

[Pete]

You know why this thread works? It's the telling lack of Auburn fans in this thread condemning slavery, the Confederacy, and their treasonous slaveholding Rebel ancestors. I haven't seen one Auburn fan say, "Yep, you Northerners gave us a stomping, and it's a good thing you did. Our degenerate culture and barbaric ideology was tearing the country apart and making a mockery of everything it was supposed to stand for -- not to mention destroying the lives of generations of black people. Thanks to intelligent, brave Northerners with good morals and hygiene, millions of human beings were freed from bondage and America was given a chance to succeed. Cheers!"

But not a peep in that vein. Sad, really.

Ya, ditto

[Sandstone Outcropping]

You know why this thread works? It's the telling lack of Auburn fans in this thread condemning slavery, the Confederacy, and their treasonous slaveholding Rebel ancestors. I haven't seen one Auburn fan say, "Yep, you Northerners gave us a stomping, and it's a good thing you did. Our degenerate culture and barbaric ideology was tearing the country apart and making a mockery of everything it was supposed to stand for -- not to mention destroying the lives of generations of black people. Thanks to intelligent, brave Northerners with good morals and hygiene, millions of human beings were freed from bondage and America was given a chance to succeed. Cheers!"

But not a peep in that vein. Sad, really.

Any decent human being should be able to say that, but they just can't. Even most Germans now apologize for the Nazis, but the SEC just can't bring itself to denounce slavery and racism. Sad.

[Pete]

There are actually a ton of similarities between the Nazi's and the SEC.  Cept at least the former Nazi's produce world class engineering, and all they do In the SEC is assemble Toyotas at a discount of union wages.

[Dugout DickStone]

DNR any of this thread but if we are going to be honest here, Lee was the biggest badass I have ever read about, and if the North had a general 1/8th as badass as Lee, the war would have been over about 3 years before it was

Yeah, tons of badasses roll over like a Suzuki Samauri.  It's the badass was

[meow meow]

There are actually a ton of similarities between the Nazi's and the SEC.  Cept at least the former Nazi's produce world class engineering, and all they do In the SEC is assemble Toyotas at a discount of union wages.

lots of similarities, only the one difference! 

[Dugout DickStone]

How amazing was Reconstruction?  Dominate the southern weaklings then rebuild their crappy states to be better?  Man

[skycat]

There are actually a ton of similarities between the Nazi's and the SEC.  Cept at least the former Nazi's produce world class engineering, and all they do In the SEC is assemble Toyotas at a discount of union wages.

Agree completely, Pete. But Auburn might be the worst. They're like the SS of the SEC.

[I_have_purplewood]

Does anyone know if the University has allocated money for people to watch and make sure none of the Manhattan churches get torched within this next week or so? Maybe a volunteer oppy for the greek system as well I guess?

[AU_Tigers]

You know why this thread works? It's the telling lack of Auburn fans in this thread condemning slavery, the Confederacy, and their treasonous slaveholding Rebel ancestors. I haven't seen one Auburn fan say, "Yep, you Northerners gave us a stomping, and it's a good thing you did. Our degenerate culture and barbaric ideology was tearing the country apart and making a mockery of everything it was supposed to stand for -- not to mention destroying the lives of generations of black people. Thanks to intelligent, brave Northerners with good morals and hygiene, millions of human beings were freed from bondage and America was given a chance to succeed. Cheers!"

But not a peep in that vein. Sad, really.

Actually I am working on something along those lines. The previous posts about two countries have gotten me to thinking about how it really would have worked out. It will be a long one so I am writing it in Word.

[Dugout DickStone]

Does anyone know if the University has allocated money for people to watch and make sure none of the Manhattan churches get torched within this next week or so? Maybe a volunteer oppy for the greek system as well I guess?

Just need one or two guys to make them surrender.

[Dugout DickStone]

 The south would have had to rely on US aid from day one.

[AU_Tigers]

There are actually a ton of similarities between the Nazi's and the SEC.  Cept at least the former Nazi's produce world class engineering, and all they do In the SEC is assemble Toyotas at a discount of union wages.

Agree completely, Pete. But Auburn might be the worst. They're like the SS of the SEC.

Lol

Not afraid of hyperbole are you?

[chuckjames]

You know why this thread works? It's the telling lack of Auburn fans in this thread condemning slavery, the Confederacy, and their treasonous slaveholding Rebel ancestors. I haven't seen one Auburn fan say, "Yep, you Northerners gave us a stomping, and it's a good thing you did. Our degenerate culture and barbaric ideology was tearing the country apart and making a mockery of everything it was supposed to stand for -- not to mention destroying the lives of generations of black people. Thanks to intelligent, brave Northerners with good morals and hygiene, millions of human beings were freed from bondage and America was given a chance to succeed. Cheers!"

But not a peep in that vein. Sad, really.

Actually I am working on something along those lines. The previous posts about two countries have gotten me to thinking about how it really would have worked out. It will be a long one so I am writing it in Word.

I actually would not be opposed to just letting the South leave the Union now, we really wouldnt miss much. All the southern states are net takers from the Federal government, so there would be more  for the rest of us.

[skycat]

How amazing was Reconstruction?  Dominate the southern weaklings then rebuild their crappy states to be better?  Man

That was back when "Piss-Pounding Auburn" really meant something. I'm looking forward to the reenactment on the field on Sept. 18, but it couldn't be as amazing as the original. Will be just as easy, tho.

[AU_Tigers]

The south would have had to rely on US aid from day one.

Hardly. 19th century US giving aid to anyone is laughable. If anything the South would have been flooded with British and French investment. They would have leapt at the opportunity to try to bring the CSA into their respective spheres of influence.

[CNS]

How amazing was Reconstruction?  Dominate the southern weaklings then rebuild their crappy states to be better?  Man

That was back when "Piss-Pounding Auburn" really meant something. I'm looking forward to the reenactment on the field on Sept. 18, but it couldn't be as amazing as the original. Will be just as easy, tho.

Bill pounds them, then gives Gus his number at midfield to run through some of the issues. Bill saw from the other sideline, to help Gus overcome them.

[Dugout DickStone]

The south would have had to rely on US aid from day one.

Hardly. 19th century US giving aid to anyone is laughable. If anything the South would have been flooded with British and French investment. They would have leapt at the opportunity to try to bring the CSA into their respective spheres of influence.

This is called revisionist history.  The south was broke, had no industry and would have had to give up slavery regardless of who won the war.  That's a worthless economy.