O/U 8.5 wins

[420seriouscat69]

We've always had a back produce under Snyder. Name the last one that didn't? I'm not concerned about this.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Under seems more likely to me, and I'm usually pretty optimistic about football. Lots of new faces and a few tough games on the schedule.

[MadCat]

Bryce Brown 

[That_Guy]

Guys we're not going to be able to run the ball.

Why?  Because we have inexperienced running backs?

If Jake can pass like he's supposed to then the "box" should be pretty loose.  Couple that with our stud oline and we could be pretty well balanced.


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This. If the line does it's job, we should be able to run the ball. The inexperience at RB factor is garbage.


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[Emo EMAW]

Guys I hope I'm wrong. 

Curious what the SNOWBRAG says @mocat.

[SPEmaw]

Guys we're not going to be able to run the ball.

Why?  Because we have inexperienced running backs?

If Jake can pass like he's supposed to then the "box" should be pretty loose.  Couple that with our stud oline and we could be pretty well balanced.

This. If the line does it's job, we should be able to run the ball. The inexperience at RB factor is garbage.

Yep. inexperience here doesn't matter. Would we prefer to have more experience returning? Of course, but it doesn't matter.

[SPEmaw]

Bryce Brown 

We still had a productive back that season tho. Invalid point.

[420seriouscat69]

Bryce Brown 

We still had a productive back that season tho. Invalid point.

Not really. Nobody thought Hubert as a Freshman could carry the load. Klein helped in that manner, but still.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I remember Darren Sproles having a rough 2004, but maybe he was better than I remember and my view is based more upon that team being so terrible.

[puniraptor]

I remember Darren Sproles having a rough 2004, but maybe he was better than I remember and my view is based more upon that team being so terrible.

I think it should be pretty obvious that Darren was not the problem.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I remember Darren Sproles having a rough 2004, but maybe he was better than I remember and my view is based more upon that team being so terrible.

I think it should be pretty obvious that Darren was not the problem.

No, he certainly wasn't. It was mostly the awful QBs and defense. Hubert wasn't as good last year as he was with Klein, though. Maybe the run game in Snyder's offense just doesn't work as well with a pocket passer unless the RB is a beast like Daniel Thomas.

[Bqqkie Pimp]

I expect our run game to be very serviceable.  The backs we currently have in the system are very comparable to JJ Smith, Hickson, Lawrence, etc from the days of May & Kavanaugh.

As long as our OL plays to a level somewhere near their capabilities, we should be able to keep the defenses honest with the balanced attack Coach desires.

[Emo EMAW]

The OL kinda played like hot garbage last year though. 

[KITNfury]

I remember Darren Sproles having a rough 2004, but maybe he was better than I remember and my view is based more upon that team being so terrible.

I think it should be pretty obvious that Darren was not the problem.

No, he certainly wasn't. It was mostly the awful QBs and defense. Hubert wasn't as good last year as he was with Klein, though. Maybe the run game in Snyder's offense just doesn't work as well with a pocket passer unless the RB is a beast like Daniel Thomas.

SEASON   ATT   YDS     AVG   
2013   198   1048  5.3   
2012   189   947     5.0   

 

[420seriouscat69]

I remember Darren Sproles having a rough 2004, but maybe he was better than I remember and my view is based more upon that team being so terrible.

I think it should be pretty obvious that Darren was not the problem.

No, he certainly wasn't. It was mostly the awful QBs and defense. Hubert wasn't as good last year as he was with Klein, though. Maybe the run game in Snyder's offense just doesn't work as well with a pocket passer unless the RB is a beast like Daniel Thomas.

SEASON   ATT   YDS     AVG   
2013   198   1048  5.3   
2012   189   947     5.0   

 

Yeah, that got me too.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The 2013 stats are heavily influenced by the monster game he had against Kansas. I had forgotten how he kind of fell off the end of the earth at the end of 2012, though.

[420seriouscat69]

The 2013 stats are heavily influenced by the monster game he had against Kansas. I had forgotten how he kind of fell off the end of the earth at the end of 2012, though.

Every running back has their stats influenced by a few games. That's not fair. He was a very solid back. Especially for what he was.

[cfbandyman]

The 2013 stats are heavily influenced by the monster game he had against Kansas. I had forgotten how he kind of fell off the end of the earth at the end of 2012, though.

Every running back has their stats influenced by a few games. That's not fair. He was a very solid back. Especially for what he was.

Here's what he did each game last year:

             CAR    YDS
NDSU(L):  10       23
ULL(W):     18       56
UMASS(W): 18      118
TEX(L):    12       41
OSU(L):   7       30
BAY(L): 15       90
WVU(W):  19       86
ISU(W):     15       105
TTU(W): 23      157
TCU(W):    6       25
OU(L):   9         17
KU(W):   30       220
MICH(W): 15       90

While the Sam-Waters flip-flopping and TT and Lockett hurt affected the offense, it is noticeable at least to the me, the better Hubert did, the better the team did.

[DQ12]

My machine (insanely accurate btw) is in maintenance until June or July.

Lookin like it's gonna be July, folks.

[slobber]

My machine (insanely accurate btw) is in maintenance until June or July.

Lookin like it's gonna be July, folks.

Would love to try to help you get that bad boy up and running...

[#LIFE]

8-5 if we're lucky.  You dumbasses have way too much confidence in a QB that would rather be in Ames

[EllRobersonisInnocent]

Kansas State 2014 regular season wins - conference championships & bowl games do not apply
Thu 8/28       30451 Kansas State total wins over 8½       -130              
6:00PM       30452 Kansas State total wins under 8½        -110

Over; Losses to Auburn, OU, Texas

Kansas State 2014 regular season wins - conference championships & bowl games do not apply
Sat 8/30       30455 Kansas State total wins over 8½       +145              
7:00PM       30456 Kansas State total wins under 8½        -185

 

[Winters]

I'm going to put my foot down and say 9 WINS

[Tobias]

FOOT DOWN!

[Pete]

Winters is really laying his foot (feet?) on the line.