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Re: Lawn Care
« Reply #800 on: April 04, 2016, 09:23:10 AM »
The new mowing guy kid is great.

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« Reply #801 on: April 04, 2016, 12:36:18 PM »
Need help from elite lawn people.  I bought a house last fall and the lawn looks like crap.  I did some fall "weed and feed" stuff and it looks a little better but still shitty.  Do I have a chance at fixing this myself, should I use a company like TruGreen, or should I sod it?
location? how big?  in ground sprinkler?

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« Reply #802 on: April 04, 2016, 07:06:59 PM »
Need help from elite lawn people.  I bought a house last fall and the lawn looks like crap.  I did some fall "weed and feed" stuff and it looks a little better but still shitty.  Do I have a chance at fixing this myself, should I use a company like TruGreen, or should I sod it?
location? how big?  in ground sprinkler?
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« Reply #803 on: April 04, 2016, 07:16:31 PM »
it's pretty easy.  mostly just add water.
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« Reply #804 on: April 04, 2016, 10:05:00 PM »
Serious question - if I give only two shits about my 1.5 acres, should I be worried about the alarming number of mole holes/tunnels?  Or consider them free aeration?

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« Reply #805 on: April 04, 2016, 10:09:11 PM »

Need help from elite lawn people.  I bought a house last fall and the lawn looks like crap.  I did some fall "weed and feed" stuff and it looks a little better but still shitty.  Do I have a chance at fixing this myself, should I use a company like TruGreen, or should I sod it?
location? how big?  in ground sprinkler?

Not terribly big, average lawn size I guess. No in ground sprinkler. The part that gets more shade looks noticeably better. A bunch of dandelions

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« Reply #806 on: April 05, 2016, 09:04:34 AM »

Need help from elite lawn people.  I bought a house last fall and the lawn looks like crap.  I did some fall "weed and feed" stuff and it looks a little better but still shitty.  Do I have a chance at fixing this myself, should I use a company like TruGreen, or should I sod it?
location? how big?  in ground sprinkler?

Not terribly big, average lawn size I guess. No in ground sprinkler. The part that gets more shade looks noticeably better. A bunch of dandelions

Did you put a pre-emergent weed control down this spring? That's probably your dandelion problem. Pre-emergent stops the weeds from germinating in spring, so it's too late to do it now. In the future, the stores sell bags of spring weed&feed (Scotts, Vigoro, etc.)that contains the pre-emerge, so put that down in early spring once the nighttime temps hit 50 degrees for a couple of days straight. this year that came a lot earlier - first part of March.

For now, you should still kill the weeds off with a liquid selective herbicide. "Selective" means it kills weeds but not the grass. You can find a number of different brands at the stores, and it doesn't really matter which brand. The active ingredient is probably "dimethylamine." Make sure you buy a liquid concentrate, then mix it up and spray it using a tank sprayer (maybe $20). This is way better in the long run than buying one of those pre-mixed hose attachment things.

For example, buy this: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Spectracide-32-oz-Concentrate-Weed-Stop-for-Lawns-Plus-Crabgrass-Killer-HG-95702-5/202056487

Don't buy this: http://www.homedepot.com/p/Spectracide-32-oz-Ready-to-Spray-Weed-Stop-Concentrate-for-Lawns-HG-95835-1/100352322

You're going to need to apply this every month or so until your lawn is thick enough to choke out the weeds naturally.

You should also put down a general purpose fertilizer now (again, don't bother buying the stuff with pre-emergent - it's too late). The best fertilizer is Milorganite if you can get it.

This is all pretty easy to do. Set your mower height pretty high to let your grass grow longer. You won't have to feed or water as much, and the taller grass chokes out weeds.

September is the best time to plant grass, especially without an irrigation system. Rent a verticutter to chop up the existing lawn and create a better seed bed, spread your seed and a seed starter fertilizer, and then water enough to keep the seed damp for at least 14 days. You might consider hiring a pro to this part for you.
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Re: Lawn Care
« Reply #807 on: April 05, 2016, 09:20:19 AM »
Thanks - Will give it a whirl.  I don't want to pay some lawn people $50 to do 8 treatments or something but would pay them once to do a difficult part.

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« Reply #808 on: April 05, 2016, 09:55:12 AM »
Lawn companies are almost all cheaper on fertilizer weed control unless you just take pride in diy


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Re: Lawn Care
« Reply #809 on: April 05, 2016, 10:04:32 AM »
how hard is it to replace a pull cord for a lawn mower ??  :frown:

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Re: Lawn Care
« Reply #810 on: April 05, 2016, 10:07:58 AM »
how hard is it to replace a pull cord for a lawn mower ??  :frown:

easy.   what make/model?

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« Reply #811 on: April 05, 2016, 10:15:09 AM »
how hard is it to replace a pull cord for a lawn mower ??  :frown:

easy.   what make/model?
toro, no clue I've had it for 10+years. I figured it can't be that difficult I've changed the oil, filter, blades all by myself before but have always been able to re-tie the cord but last summer my last time mowing I pulled it clear out

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« Reply #812 on: April 05, 2016, 10:22:48 AM »
Thanks - Will give it a whirl.  I don't want to pay some lawn people $50 to do 8 treatments or something but would pay them once to do a difficult part.
buying a pump sprayer like KSU_W and $100-ish drop spreader makes the fertilizing and weed control pretty easy. 

Renting verticutters and aerators is much more of a pain in the ass and you can get pay & get it done cheaper if can get a HOA deal or even a couple of neighbors together since you have a what I assume is a 1/3 to 1/4 of an acre yard. 

That said, if your yard hasn't been verticut in years and you are going to seed this fall you should rent them and do the following:

1- mow as short as you can without scalping the yard.

2- verticut fairly deeply to get as much of the thatch (old grass & leaves left over from not bagging) displaced and loose

3- rake up and/or mow & bag as much of the thatch as you can.

4- aerate

5- put down your grass seed - I personally just seed the hell out it, turn the bare & thin spots yellow with seed and thoroughly overseed even the good area.  My thinking is grass seed is relatively cheap and easy compared to the rest of this process and all the watering to come.

6- verticut again but adjust the blades to a shallow setting so they are just pushing the seeds in to the ground for good seed to dirt contact with the added benefit of speeding up the breakdown of the little turds left over from aerating

Ideally you would do steps 1 thru 4 in late fall/early September so you can be ready to seed right before a September cold front that brings both rain and lower temps for growing the new grass. 

Of the top of my head renting a verticutter or an aerator is around $50 minimum so the above is going to cost you $150 + however much grass seed you need. You can prolly get a guy to come do all of it but you won't be able to control the timing.

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Re: Lawn Care
« Reply #813 on: April 05, 2016, 10:30:08 AM »
i got a drop spreader last fall for some fertilizer thing but did not get the weed stuff which seems to have been a mistake.  I'll be spraying this afternoon and enjoying the sunshine.

Got a couple neighbors that may be interested in splitting costs of the equipment rental so may give that a whirl.

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« Reply #814 on: April 05, 2016, 10:33:15 AM »
How long ago did you do the fertilizer?  There may still be some benefit in putting down weed & feed in a few weeks especially if you have some non yard maintaining neighbors.  This is part of why Slobber's advice of splitting your spring weed & feed application in to 2 about 4 to 6 weeks apart is a great thing.

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« Reply #815 on: April 05, 2016, 10:37:00 AM »
I put down crabgrass preventer with lawn food down a couple weeks ago.  So can I still do Weed & Feed or is that too much fertilizer?  BTW I looked for crabgrass preventer without fertilizer but couldn't find it.  I guess it doesn't exist.

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« Reply #816 on: April 05, 2016, 10:39:37 AM »
How long ago did you do the fertilizer?  There may still be some benefit in putting down weed & feed in a few weeks especially if you have some non yard maintaining neighbors.  This is part of why Slobber's advice of splitting your spring weed & feed application in to 2 about 4 to 6 weeks apart is a great thing.

Fertilizer was in October

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« Reply #817 on: April 05, 2016, 10:44:22 AM »
I would still do the weed & feed then, I believe you likely missed the window be ahead of the first crab grass germination but you will still stop some of it and it helps with the other crap that is in everyone's yard.

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« Reply #818 on: April 05, 2016, 11:37:36 AM »
I would still do the weed & feed then, I believe you likely missed the window be ahead of the first crab grass germination but you will still stop some of it and it helps with the other crap that is in everyone's yard.

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« Reply #819 on: April 05, 2016, 12:14:26 PM »
I would still do the weed & feed then, I believe you likely missed the window be ahead of the first crab grass germination but you will still stop some of it and it helps with the other crap that is in everyone's yard.

Are you talking to me or that other guy?
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Slobber or another Big Turf expert can come in here and correct me but I don't there is really too much that can go wrong with fertilizing every 6 to 8 weeks.  The main negative to me is it can make for shallow root growth but my south johnson co lot is a thin layer of top soil over clay so I would rather fertilize often for a nice green lawn that helps keep out the weeds because I am going to water all summer anyways.

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« Reply #820 on: April 05, 2016, 03:05:58 PM »
So I should wait 6-8 weeks before applying weed and feed since I  just applied crabgrass preventer with fertilizer?

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« Reply #821 on: April 05, 2016, 03:32:35 PM »
So I should wait 6-8 weeks before applying weed and feed since I  just applied crabgrass preventer with fertilizer?

I would. Too much fertilizer can burn the lawn and promote unhealthy growth. Better yet, I'd spray down a liquid selective herbicide (see my post above) and put down Milorganite fertilizer about 6 weeks after you put down the first fertilizer.
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« Reply #822 on: April 05, 2016, 03:33:52 PM »
I am confused. Too many posts that I dnr.

The more you fertilize, the more frequently you will have to mow.
If you already put out a full rate of pre-emergent herbicide, don't put out any more. You may have not had it incorporated (by rain fall) to the right depth and just missed a few weeds.
You can always buy a pre-emergent granular product that is not on fertilizer.



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« Reply #823 on: April 05, 2016, 03:35:26 PM »
I am confused. Too many posts that I dnr.

The more you fertilize, the more frequently you will have to mow.
If you already put out a full rate of pre-emergent herbicide, don't put out any more. You may have not had it incorporated (by rain fall) to the right depth and just missed a few weeds.
You can always buy a pre-emergent granular product that is not on fertilizer.



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« Reply #824 on: April 05, 2016, 03:37:21 PM »
Ready to Spray is a concentrate product as well. It is usually a hose-in spray bottle that you hook a garden hose into and ten it siphons the concentrated product out of the bottle and mixes it in with the water at the correct concentration when you apply it.
Ready to use is a trigger spray bottle that is diluted to the correct concentration when you buy it. Much more expensive to apply. 


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