Things that non-'crats love about 'crats

[Dugout DickStone]

Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.

I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.

He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.

Do you not own any stock or property?

I do not. Glad to hear things are well in that department. 

so what are you basing your "economy is crap" thought on?

[OregonSmock]

We all believe what we want to believe, ben. It's ok, that's what makes us all different. In your mind it's '08 everyday and in my mind it's titletown everyday. "Obama has done really well"- Beems thought process.

That's great. Keep being you bro. 

No, that's some grade-A bullshit.   There is an objective truth, and you are choosing to ignore it based on some strange desire to be labeled as a Republican.

Not really. I honestly think arguing over politics is a waste of time. I have my reasons and I lean in the middle either way. I'm on the left side for several things. I'm afraid you know some bad republicans.

It seems like all of your "reasons" are based on myths and personal bias.  Good luck with that.

[michigancat]

Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.

I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.

He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.

Do you not own any stock or property?

I do not. Glad to hear things are well in that department. 

so what are you basing your "economy is crap" thought on?

his job

[OregonSmock]

Oh, lazy ppl have healthcare now? What a rough ridin' saint. 

What an ignorant rough ridin' statement.  Pre-existing conditions don't just affect "lazy people." 

[420seriouscat69]

Man, oregonsmack really showing how independant he really is. 

[420seriouscat69]

Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.

I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.

He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.

Do you not own any stock or property?

I do not. Glad to hear things are well in that department. 

so what are you basing your "economy is crap" thought on?

Unemployment has been pretty shitty for awhile.

[Dugout DickStone]

Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.

I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.

He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.

Do you not own any stock or property?

I do not. Glad to hear things are well in that department. 

so what are you basing your "economy is crap" thought on?

his job

funny because I am basing my "the economy is pretty fantastic" position on my job

[420seriouscat69]

We get it guys. You do well. Jesus, mich, you don't have to swing for the balls on every post.

[OregonSmock]

Man, oregonsmack really showing how independant he really is. 

Obama is the most moderate Democratic president since WWII:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/obama-the-moderate/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

[Dugout DickStone]

Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.

I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.

He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.

Do you not own any stock or property?

I do not. Glad to hear things are well in that department. 

so what are you basing your "economy is crap" thought on?

Unemployment has been pretty shitty for awhile.

Pretty narrow measure that can have plenty of other causes but I agree, there needs to be more job creation.  Unfortunately, our economy is going through some pretty significant changes in the needs of the labor market.  I think there will be some folks who may not have a lot of positions for their skill set available.  They may have to be adapting or re-training.

You know what area has tons of jobs right now?  Truck drivers

[OregonSmock]

Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.

I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.

He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.

Do you not own any stock or property?

I do not. Glad to hear things are well in that department. 

so what are you basing your "economy is crap" thought on?

Unemployment has been pretty shitty for awhile.

Unemployment has been steadily decreasing since it peaked during the recession:

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.

I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.

He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.

You can't just say those things without providing evidence.  Here's the reality:

The stock market is at an all-time high.  Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession.  The housing market has improved.  The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years.  We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges).  Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered.  We have emissions standards for new vehicles.  States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana.  I mean, these are all just off the top of my head.  There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.

WOW 

The stock market is being held up by constant QE that will have the national debt at $20+ trillion by the time Obama is done. Wall street banks, the same ones that facilitated the dems dream of home loans for everyone that caused the ongoing recession, are getting filthy rich while the middle class is stuck with the bill.

The unemployment rate numbers are a smoke and mirrors. The real number is closer to 20% than to 7%. The labor force is shrinking as more people are on government assistance than are working, and it isn't because they are retiring voluntarily.

6 million people lost their healthcare because of Obamacare, and 8 million have attempted to get healthcare. We still don't have the true numbers of enrollees that have actually paid a premium.

The unelected EPA is mandating manufacturing out of the US to the third world where they have no emission standards.

The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.

There is literally nothing better than it was before Obama.

[Asteriskhead]

Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.

I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.

He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.

You can't just say those things without providing evidence.  Here's the reality:

The stock market is at an all-time high.  Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession.  The housing market has improved.  The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years.  We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges).  Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered.  We have emissions standards for new vehicles.  States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana.  I mean, these are all just off the top of my head.  There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.

The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.

You know that this statement is bullshit. You're twisting the facts to support your viewpoint. The laws are passing at the state level, yes, but Holder, who is part of President Obama's administration, could chose to take action against Colorado and/or Washington under the Controlled Substances Act. Federalism, man.

edit: with the current makeup of the court, I'd be really interested to see how a challenge to one of those state laws would play out. I imagine all of the justices would flop ideological sides again, like Bush v. Gore. We won't see it happen under the current administration, I imagine.

[Headinjun]

Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.

I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.

He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.

You can't just say those things without providing evidence.  Here's the reality:

The stock market is at an all-time high.  Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession.  The housing market has improved.  The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years.  We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges).  Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered.  We have emissions standards for new vehicles.  States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana.  I mean, these are all just off the top of my head.  There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.

WOW 

The stock market is being held up by constant QE that will have the national debt at $20+ trillion by the time Obama is done. Wall street banks, the same ones that facilitated the dems dream of home loans for everyone that caused the ongoing recession, are getting filthy rich while the middle class is stuck with the bill.

The unemployment rate numbers are a smoke and mirrors. The real number is closer to 20% than to 7%. The labor force is shrinking as more people are on government assistance than are working, and it isn't because they are retiring voluntarily.

6 million people lost their healthcare because of Obamacare, and 8 million have attempted to get healthcare. We still don't have the true numbers of enrollees that have actually paid a premium.

The unelected EPA is mandating manufacturing out of the US to the third world where they have no emission standards.

The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.

There is literally nothing better than it was before Obama.

Housing for everyone was wanted by mortgage companies and investment banks who created,falsely rated CDOs.

[Headinjun]

Wacky, you do a pretty shitty job of claiming to be a moderate by calling Obama one of the worst of all time.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.

I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.

He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.

You can't just say those things without providing evidence.  Here's the reality:

The stock market is at an all-time high.  Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession.  The housing market has improved.  The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years.  We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges).  Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered.  We have emissions standards for new vehicles.  States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana.  I mean, these are all just off the top of my head.  There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.

The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.

You know that this statement is bullshit. You're twisting the facts to support your viewpoint. The laws are passing at the state level, yes, but Holder, who is part of President Obama's administration, could chose to take action against Colorado and/or Washington under the Controlled Substances Act. Federalism, man.

Clinton and Bush looked the other way, and the next president will too.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.

I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.

He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.

You can't just say those things without providing evidence.  Here's the reality:

The stock market is at an all-time high.  Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession.  The housing market has improved.  The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years.  We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges).  Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered.  We have emissions standards for new vehicles.  States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana.  I mean, these are all just off the top of my head.  There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.

WOW 

The stock market is being held up by constant QE that will have the national debt at $20+ trillion by the time Obama is done. Wall street banks, the same ones that facilitated the dems dream of home loans for everyone that caused the ongoing recession, are getting filthy rich while the middle class is stuck with the bill.

The unemployment rate numbers are a smoke and mirrors. The real number is closer to 20% than to 7%. The labor force is shrinking as more people are on government assistance than are working, and it isn't because they are retiring voluntarily.

6 million people lost their healthcare because of Obamacare, and 8 million have attempted to get healthcare. We still don't have the true numbers of enrollees that have actually paid a premium.

The unelected EPA is mandating manufacturing out of the US to the third world where they have no emission standards.

The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.

There is literally nothing better than it was before Obama.

Housing for everyone was wanted by mortgage companies and investment banks who created,falsely rated CDOs.

Prior to banks being able to sell off mortgages as speculative investments, there were very few bad loans awarded to people that they knew couldn't pay them back.

[Asteriskhead]

Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.

I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.

He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.

You can't just say those things without providing evidence.  Here's the reality:

The stock market is at an all-time high.  Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession.  The housing market has improved.  The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years.  We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges).  Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered.  We have emissions standards for new vehicles.  States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana.  I mean, these are all just off the top of my head.  There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.

The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.

You know that this statement is bullshit. You're twisting the facts to support your viewpoint. The laws are passing at the state level, yes, but Holder, who is part of President Obama's administration, could chose to take action against Colorado and/or Washington under the Controlled Substances Act. Federalism, man.

Clinton and Bush looked the other way, and the next president will too.

We weren't discussing the policies of past or future presidents, now were we? We were discussing the specific stance that President Obama's administration has taken on recreational marijuana at the state level. It's okay, I know it can be tough to admit when you are wrong.

[OregonSmock]

[Institutional Control]

You guys are going to be in big trouble when purplebeems gets here.

[Headinjun]

Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.

I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.

He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.

You can't just say those things without providing evidence.  Here's the reality:

The stock market is at an all-time high.  Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession.  The housing market has improved.  The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years.  We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges).  Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered.  We have emissions standards for new vehicles.  States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana.  I mean, these are all just off the top of my head.  There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.

WOW 

The stock market is being held up by constant QE that will have the national debt at $20+ trillion by the time Obama is done. Wall street banks, the same ones that facilitated the dems dream of home loans for everyone that caused the ongoing recession, are getting filthy rich while the middle class is stuck with the bill.

The unemployment rate numbers are a smoke and mirrors. The real number is closer to 20% than to 7%. The labor force is shrinking as more people are on government assistance than are working, and it isn't because they are retiring voluntarily.

6 million people lost their healthcare because of Obamacare, and 8 million have attempted to get healthcare. We still don't have the true numbers of enrollees that have actually paid a premium.

The unelected EPA is mandating manufacturing out of the US to the third world where they have no emission standards.

The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.

There is literally nothing better than it was before Obama.

Housing for everyone was wanted by mortgage companies and investment banks who created,falsely rated CDOs.

Prior to banks being able to sell off mortgages as speculative investments, there were very few bad loans awarded to people that they knew couldn't pay them back.

Well guess who wanted to securitize mortgages?

Hint: it wasn't government. 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.

I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.

He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.

You can't just say those things without providing evidence.  Here's the reality:

The stock market is at an all-time high.  Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession.  The housing market has improved.  The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years.  We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges).  Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered.  We have emissions standards for new vehicles.  States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana.  I mean, these are all just off the top of my head.  There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.

The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.

You know that this statement is bullshit. You're twisting the facts to support your viewpoint. The laws are passing at the state level, yes, but Holder, who is part of President Obama's administration, could chose to take action against Colorado and/or Washington under the Controlled Substances Act. Federalism, man.

Clinton and Bush looked the other way, and the next president will too.

We weren't discussing the policies of past or future presidents, now were we? We were discussing the specific stance that President Obama's administration has taken on recreational marijuana at the state level. It's okay, I know it can be tough to admit when you are wrong.

The feds are still going after medical marijuana dispensaries and growers in CA.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.

I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.

He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.

You can't just say those things without providing evidence.  Here's the reality:

The stock market is at an all-time high.  Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession.  The housing market has improved.  The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years.  We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges).  Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered.  We have emissions standards for new vehicles.  States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana.  I mean, these are all just off the top of my head.  There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.

WOW 

The stock market is being held up by constant QE that will have the national debt at $20+ trillion by the time Obama is done. Wall street banks, the same ones that facilitated the dems dream of home loans for everyone that caused the ongoing recession, are getting filthy rich while the middle class is stuck with the bill.

The unemployment rate numbers are a smoke and mirrors. The real number is closer to 20% than to 7%. The labor force is shrinking as more people are on government assistance than are working, and it isn't because they are retiring voluntarily.

6 million people lost their healthcare because of Obamacare, and 8 million have attempted to get healthcare. We still don't have the true numbers of enrollees that have actually paid a premium.

The unelected EPA is mandating manufacturing out of the US to the third world where they have no emission standards.

The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.

There is literally nothing better than it was before Obama.

Housing for everyone was wanted by mortgage companies and investment banks who created,falsely rated CDOs.

Prior to banks being able to sell off mortgages as speculative investments, there were very few bad loans awarded to people that they knew couldn't pay them back.

Well guess who wanted to securitize mortgages?

Hint: it wasn't government.

[420seriouscat69]

Wacky, you do a pretty shitty job of claiming to be a moderate by calling Obama one of the worst of all time.

I definitely lean republican. I guess i'm comparing my self to my dad who is extreme. In the cases of abortion, weed, and same sex marriage, I definitely lean towards my 'crats.

[Asteriskhead]

The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.

You know that this statement is bullshit. You're twisting the facts to support your viewpoint. The laws are passing at the state level, yes, but Holder, who is part of President Obama's administration, could chose to take action against Colorado and/or Washington under the Controlled Substances Act. Federalism, man.

Clinton and Bush looked the other way, and the next president will too.

We weren't discussing the policies of past or future presidents, now were we? We were discussing the specific stance that President Obama's administration has taken on recreational marijuana at the state level. It's okay, I know it can be tough to admit when you are wrong.

The feds are still going after medical marijuana dispensaries and growers in CA.

Everything I have seen suggests that those investigations are focused on facilities that violate the California legislation. I don't know of a single state whose interdiction initiative isn't primarily propped up by a partnership with the DEA. State law enforcement agencies get considerable resources from these partnerships in exchange for taking direction in the investigations they carry out and giving up cases to be tried in federal courts. In this instance, it's the California task force enforcing the California legislation, the violations occur in concurrent jurisdictions, federal law is supreme, the case is tried in federal court. It's that simple.

It's amazing that you can have such a strong, opinionated stance on the issue and know next to nothing about the actual circumstances in which these policy objectives are accomplished.