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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1500 on: May 26, 2016, 10:07:45 AM »
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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1501 on: May 26, 2016, 10:39:51 AM »
We should kill anyone who's willing to vote for this hack!

Not a terrible idea, really.

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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1502 on: May 26, 2016, 10:41:53 AM »
Between all the killings of trump and Hillary voters, we might be down to 2% of the human population, but goddammit, it will be the cream of the crop!

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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1503 on: May 26, 2016, 10:43:23 AM »
we might be down to 2% of the human population.

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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1504 on: May 26, 2016, 10:44:23 AM »
we might be down to 2% of the human population.

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More like 60%  :frown:
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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1505 on: May 26, 2016, 11:02:18 AM »
Can we just make this into another Gary Johnson thread?

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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1506 on: May 26, 2016, 11:48:59 AM »


"In an interview with Reason Wednesday, I was asked about a ban on women wearing burqas. The question came in a discussion of Sharia law and its incompatibility with the fundamental tenets of liberty. I answered the question in the context of the fact that, under Sharia law, women have no choice but to wear the burqa, and live under a system of law that not only allows, but condones, abuse of women. In that context, I stated that banning the full-face burqa, as was done in France, would be a reasonable step toward preventing signs of abuse from being hidden. My response was not about telling women what they can and cannot wear, but about protecting them from harm under a brutal ideology under which women have nothing resembling equal rights.

However, having had time to consider, my response was wrong. As with many well-intentioned ideas, a government-imposed ban on full-face coverings would have unintended consequences and likely result in government overreach. As governor, I vetoed many such well-intended laws, and on reflection, would in fact veto a government ban on full face burqas. While the law must provide protection for women from abuse, it is clear that banning face veils wouldn’t work, and would be impossible to enforce without infringing on basic rights.

Sharia law is incompatible with the freedoms upon which America is founded, and it must not be overlooked that, under Sharia ideology, women have no rights, and are certainly not free to dress as they wish. Imposing such a system on women under some guise of freedom of religion or expression is not acceptable under any notion of liberty. On that point I am firm. But a government ban on an item of clothing might well have the consequence of restricting, not protecting, freedom."

-Isalmaphob Gary Johnson

Yeah, I read that when it happened months ago. If the defense is that he's an idiot not a bigot then I guess you can roll with that. Someone on this blog, maybe sys, talked about a thin line between being a moron and a bigot, maybe Gary is on the moron side. Again, I'll point out that Gary wasn't misquoted or trapped into saying he would ban a piece of religious clothing if he's elected president. I'd be a lot less skeptical if the statement was sometime later and he said something like "After meeting with Muslim leaders, I realize that my previous statement about burquas was misguided and ill informed. I am appreciative of the discourse and I am sincerely sorry for my previous statement on the matter." The apology he gave to Medium was literally hours later after he took a beating in the MSM and on social media.

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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1507 on: May 26, 2016, 12:02:36 PM »
you'd give him more credit if he was harder to persuade that he was wrong, and it took him longer to change his mind?
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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1508 on: May 26, 2016, 12:23:33 PM »
This strikes me as one of the lesser outrageous things I've heard a politician say. I feel like Gary likes to publicly spitball sometimes and hypersensitive people see that as a weakness. I don't mind people that say stupid things if they are willing to think through them and admit when they are stupid.

I also hate people who aren't willing to opine on anything and just say crap like "we're going to move America forward."

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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1509 on: May 26, 2016, 01:24:27 PM »
If only Gary had said that we need to bring Muslims to heel, then he gets a free pass.


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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1511 on: May 26, 2016, 02:02:58 PM »
you'd give him more credit if he was harder to persuade that he was wrong, and it took him longer to change his mind?

I'd give him more credit if there seemed to be a factor, other than public sentiment, that changed his mind of something he believed. He very well may have been sincere but I can't see that.

It's fair to assume that our view of his apology is formed by how we feel about him based on other factors. If Donald Trump did the exact same thing I doubt that I would have to defend questioning his sincerity.

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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1512 on: May 26, 2016, 02:07:07 PM »
I think the "apology" is detailed enough that I don't really question sincerity. It doesn't smell like bullshit, which is not so much the case with anything at all trump or Clinton might say
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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1513 on: May 26, 2016, 02:13:21 PM »
I think the "apology" is detailed enough that I don't really question sincerity. It doesn't smell like bullshit, which is not so much the case with anything at all trump or Clinton might say

also he doesn't apologize to the burqa-wearing (burqa-forcing-to-wear) muslims, he makes that clear.  he's apologizing for not exemplifying libertarian philosophy.  which makes it seem even more sincere.
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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1514 on: May 26, 2016, 02:13:32 PM »
you'd give him more credit if he was harder to persuade that he was wrong, and it took him longer to change his mind?

I'd give him more credit if there seemed to be a factor, other than public sentiment, that changed his mind of something he believed. He very well may have been sincere but I can't see that.

It's fair to assume that our view of his apology is formed by how we feel about him based on other factors. If Donald Trump did the exact same thing I doubt that I would have to defend questioning his sincerity.

If Trump did the same thing, he'd be telling us all that he never believed that burqas should be banned in the first place, that the question was hard to follow or that he couldn't hear it clearly, and that from an academic point of view, he was actually very correct that they should be banned. From an academic point of view, of course.

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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1515 on: May 26, 2016, 02:32:58 PM »
I think the "apology" is detailed enough that I don't really question sincerity. It doesn't smell like bullshit, which is not so much the case with anything at all trump or Clinton might say

also he doesn't apologize to the burqa-wearing (burqa-forcing-to-wear) muslims, he makes that clear.  he's apologizing for not exemplifying libertarian philosophy.  which makes it seem even more sincere.
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Which circles back to what I said about the rationale behind the apology. I'll retract a bit, he seems sincere about being sorry for abandoning his libertarian ideals. "Muslims shouldn't wear burqas in public but the government shouldn't ban them."  I have no problem using a broad brush to paint someone who has an issue with any private citizen wearing any religious symbol or clothing in public.

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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1516 on: May 26, 2016, 02:45:26 PM »
i don't see a problem with forming opinions about someone based on their philosophy, be it religious or not.
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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1517 on: May 26, 2016, 08:35:57 PM »
I think the "apology" is detailed enough that I don't really question sincerity. It doesn't smell like bullshit, which is not so much the case with anything at all trump or Clinton might say

also he doesn't apologize to the burqa-wearing (burqa-forcing-to-wear) muslims, he makes that clear.  he's apologizing for not exemplifying libertarian philosophy.  which makes it seem even more sincere.

That is the interesting part to me(as far as MIR's disgust goes). The discussion was about Sharia law and its compatibility with liberty and the balance between a woman's liberty and religious freedom. I think it is reasonable to question Sharia law and not be considered a bigot as it pertains to Islam. But I could be speaking out of ignorance on the moron/bigot line.

Here is the quote with the context because I think the context Johnson provided in his apology was misleading
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Surprisingly for a libertarian, Johnson, who recently resigned as the CEO of Cannabis Sativa, a marijuana marketing form, said that he would sign a bill banning the wearing of burqas in America. Sharia, he insisted, was not an expression of religion but of "politics" and hence many of its practices could be banned or limited without running afoul of the Constitution.

"Under sharia law," he argued, "women are not afforded the same rights as men." Under a burqa, how do you know if a woman has been beaten?, he asked rhetorically. "Honor killings are allowed for under sharia law and so is deceiving non-Muslims." Likening followers of sharia to members of the Ku Klux Klan, Johnson said that he wouldn't censor the speech of people promoting sharia law but would mount a cultural campaign to counter its growth here. He said the Islamic terrorism proceeds directly from the same sources as the thinking behind sharia and that the United States government must make sure it is not inadvertently funding sharia overseas.

His rationale for banning burqas is so we can see if women are being beaten? WTF? Lets ban sweaters for white people, hats for Mexicans, and jackets for black people.

Having issues with Sharia Law is one thing, but I'm confused as to why he thought banning a burqa was the answer here. Lets ban public displays of crosses because the clan burns them, or ban Buddha statues in restaurants because Buddhists extremists in Myanmar commit atrocities against Muslims.

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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1518 on: May 26, 2016, 11:53:29 PM »
I felt like he was trying to grab the attention of some trumpers with some anti Muslim rhetoric but wasn't prepared for the amount of negative attention he drew. So I guess I don't think he was sincere in his initial statement or his backtracking.

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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1519 on: May 27, 2016, 01:06:34 PM »
Hello friends, just dropping by. So now that the State Department Inspector General has thoroughly shredded two more of Clinton's lies about her email server - (1) emails prove she violated department policy, and knew she was violating policy, and (2) emails prove she did it keep her emails "private" (from FOIA requests) as opposed to the "convenience" she claimed - it seems like a good time to mention this piece from HuffPo by a Bernie supporter. Other than supporting a socialist, he's dead on.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/dear-fbi-the-democratic-p_b_9784334.html

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To the Honorable James B. Comey, Jr. and all the good people at the Federal Bureau of Investigation,

The majority of the Democratic Party does not believe there is an ongoing FBI criminal investigation regarding Hillary Clinton’s emails. They believe, as the former Secretary of State has told them, that your work is merely a “security review,”  :lol: or as one Democratic strategist call it, “another BS scandal.” Your work, thus far, has been relegated to yet another “witch hunt.” In fact, Clinton and her campaign have managed to convince millions that former secretaries of state did the same thing, which of course isn’t true.

Also, an interesting brand of logic has been used to rationalize ignoring your email investigation. While the number of agents working on this case is said to have been around 100, some voters have actually taken solace in the fact recent reports only list dozens. Only a dozen FBI agents, say loyal supporters, isn’t that big of a deal.  :lol:

Since your investigation has taken so long, many people believe that nothing has been found, or simply that Clinton is too powerful to face any serious repercussions. Any attempt to warn people that Hillary Clinton could realistically face criminal indictments is either viewed as a Republican scare tactic, or lunacy. Even many Bernie Sanders supporters, a group that would benefit the most from the FBI recommending indictment of Clinton, feel it’s either disloyal, or pointless to bring up the email controversy. The massive group think within the Democratic Party, fostered by years of circumventing political scandals, has literally altered the mindset of normally rational individuals, and voters. [This might the single truest thing ever written on HuffPo.]

To a great many people, there is simply nothing Hillary Clinton can do wrong; even FBI investigations are merged with Republican Benghazi hearings.

Ultimately, your hard work, and your investigation into Clinton’s email server and correspondence, is viewed as a big, fat “nothingberger.” As Esquire’s Charles Pierce writes, The Great Hillary Email Nothingburger is Still on the Grill, and It’s Certainly Overcooked. Sadly, the FBI has become part of a satirical narrative centered upon Clinton being the victim of never-ending Republican attacks.

It’s important for everyone at the FBI to know that your investigation, and I say this with all due respect, is viewed as a source of amusement for many writers, pundits, and observers loyal to Clinton. The 22 Top Secret emails on a private server (something that should disqualify anyone running for president) are either completely ignored by party faithful, or rationalized by twisted logic. Nothing is taken seriously anymore; everything is viewed through the belief that Republicans are worse, therefore Clinton’s indiscretions are meaningless. [Again, this is just so true! The Democrats have become accustomed to getting away with murder.]

This should tell you something about the state of our Republic. [Indeed.] This should also tell you something about the rule of law in our country. [Double indeed, though this somewhat ironic coming from a person who likely supports Obama's lawless actions on immigration, Obamacare, etc.] If anyone else in the U.S. government owned a private server storing Top Secret intelligence, for the sake of “convenience,” they’d be in jail. [I don't think anyone can seriously deny this.] Lt. General Michael Flynn made that case on CNN with Jake Tapper.

The mere notion that Hillary Clinton could face criminal indictments is simply unrealistic to many voters, and I explain here what the Clinton campaign and supporters think of you and your organization. There used to be a time in U.S. history when FBI investigations were bad for campaigns; now it’s not even a speed bump for the former Secretary of State.

While I’ve stated on this CNN International appearance that Clinton could face indictment, and in a CNN New Day appearance that Clinton manages to continually circumvent scandal, only the FBI can resolve this grandiose issue.

Our country is getting closer to electing a person, under FBI investigation for potential misconduct pertaining to classified documents, that will have complete access to every single American intelligence agency.

When Univision’s Jorge Ramos asked Clinton “If you get indicted, will you drop out?” the former Secretary of State’s answer spoke volumes. She responded, “Oh, for goodness — that’s not going to happen.” The audience then cheered, for a response that no other American citizen would give to a question regarding possible DOJ indictment.

I’m not saying that people should fear the FBI. I’m saying people should respect the FBI. At this point, Bernie Sanders is the only Democratic candidate not linked to an FBI investigation, yet Clinton is leading in delegates. This dynamic would never take place in any other leading democracy. If David Cameron had been investigated by MI5, rest assured the British would never have allowed him to become leader of his political party, and eventually Prime Minister.

No doubt, you must perform your investigation without political pressure, but the reality is that millions of Bernie Sanders supporters are awaiting your verdict. Millions of independent voters, and millions of Democrats who aren’t voting for Clinton, need to hear your verdict. Needless to say, the Republicans are waiting as well.

The entire nation is waiting for you to disclose the details of your year-long email investigation.

Whether or not you recommend indictment, and whether or not you’ve found criminal wrongdoing pertaining to Clinton, should be known before the end of the Democratic Primary. Democrats can’t nominate a person who could potentially face indictment on November 7, 2016.

Of course, I’m a huge Bernie Sanders supporter, and while even many Bernie voters have surrendered to the myth that this investigation is purely politics, I believe otherwise. I remember a time when government officials respected the FBI, and a time when FBI investigations could never be associated with winning the presidency. In my humble view, I’d take the recent letter you received from agents who worked on ABSCAM very seriously, and I explain here why your reputation is at stake.

If Clinton wins, and if she did nothing wrong, then Americans need to know. However, if Clinton jeopardized national security, or might have jeopardized national security, then Democrats must rally around Bernie Sanders before it’s too late.

Your own website states “Every day, criminals are invading countless homes and offices across the nation—not by breaking down windows and doors, but by breaking into laptops, personal computers, and wireless devices via hacks and bits of malicious code.”

America needs to know if this observation also applies to Clinton’s email server.

Senator Sanders hasn’t addressed the email scandal, even though Clinton would never have hesitated to do so, out of respect for your investigation. Thus, most Democrats think it’s blasphemous to even mention the possibility of indictment, or criminal wrongdoing. The sooner we all know, the sooner we can address the spin, either way, from both Trump and Clinton. Both Clinton and Trump will form their own narrative, from your year-long investigation, and Democratic voters need time to process your findings.

Hopefully, this will take place before June, so that Bernie Sanders has a chance to become nominee, and so that Democrats don’t attempt to further a person linked to criminal indictments into the White House. Future generations will learn about this era in American politics, and your actions will highlight a great deal about our nation’s value system. Future generations will remember when you disclosed your findings, and the impact this timing had on the future of the Democratic Party.

Sincerely,

H. A Goodman
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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1520 on: May 27, 2016, 01:13:55 PM »
welcome back ksuw

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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1521 on: May 27, 2016, 01:32:54 PM »
Hillary and the Democrats  :curse:
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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1522 on: May 27, 2016, 01:43:31 PM »
When the FBI do conclude, the following weeks will be extremely interesting news wise.

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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1523 on: May 27, 2016, 02:06:12 PM »
How awesome would it be to have a newly elected president that is criminally pardoned by the outgoing president?  :lol:

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Re: Hillary 2016? (Now Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch)
« Reply #1524 on: May 27, 2016, 02:08:15 PM »
I hope o-dawg wouldn't do that  :frown:
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