No more tenure for teachers?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

FSD, people might be more willing to put serious thought into what you are saying if you weren't such a pompous a-hole about it.

I don't want to have anything to do with what passes as serious thought around here.  It's rough ridin' pathetic, and more often than not, thoughtless regurgitated drivel.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

FSD, people might be more willing to put serious thought into what you are saying if you weren't such a pompous a-hole about it.

I wouldn't pay any attention to him. he's not even the real sugar Dick.

Great timing, demamp

[Headinjun]

FSD, people might be more willing to put serious thought into what you are saying if you weren't such a pompous a-hole about it.

I don't want to have anything to do with what passes as serious thought around here.  It's rough ridin' pathetic, and more often than not, thoughtless regurgitated drivel.

Yeah your boy KSU really brings out the RNC/am radio buzz topics around here.

[Stellarcat]

I was going to come on here and delete my post, because I am not one to bash people on a message board.  I'm the polar opposite of my brother, Kougs.    However, since you already responded, I'll leave it.  I like reading the discussion between most people on here, but life is too short to get into a pissing match. 

Anyway, I apologize for calling you an a-hole. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I am an ass hole 

[CNS]

I am an ass hole 

One space away from badperson

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[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

FSD, people might be more willing to put serious thought into what you are saying if you weren't such a pompous a-hole about it.

I don't want to have anything to do with what passes as serious thought around here.  It's rough ridin' pathetic, and more often than not, thoughtless regurgitated drivel.

Yeah your boy KSU really brings out the RNC/am radio buzz topics around here.

Your name is an epithet.

[Headinjun]

FSD, people might be more willing to put serious thought into what you are saying if you weren't such a pompous a-hole about it.

I don't want to have anything to do with what passes as serious thought around here.  It's rough ridin' pathetic, and more often than not, thoughtless regurgitated drivel.

Yeah your boy KSU really brings out the RNC/am radio buzz topics around here.

Your name is an epithet.

It's my epithet.   Why do you care?  Aren't you a big non PC bad person?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Just amazing.

[ednksu]

well since this thread is flaming out.....


If FSD and his anti-intellectual ilk ran everything, this story would be true
http://nationalreport.net/kansas-black-cosmos-show-controversies/

(those goes back to KS evolution/creationism thing I noted earlier)

If you want to be informed about this issue people, go back and read Stellarcat's posts, home run material.

[Cire]

Oh my

[Kat Kid]

well since this thread is flaming out.....


If FSD and his anti-intellectual ilk ran everything, this story would be true
http://nationalreport.net/kansas-black-cosmos-show-controversies/

(those goes back to KS evolution/creationism thing I noted earlier)

If you want to be informed about this issue people, go back and read Stellarcat's posts, home run material.

Is there any evidence Tom Edison is an actual Kansas Senator?  I haven't found any.

[steve dave]

Tenure can be necessary at institutions of higher education for professors who do valuable but controversial research that pushes the boundaries of our collective knowledge and might piss off anyone from a politically connected rival professor who doesn't agree with your research to a department head to a regent and even potentially meddling politicians (i.e. Rick Perry) because it violates social mores. I wouldn't advocate getting rid of tenure at that level but providing better incentives for professors who produce higher quality research and teaching--more and better bonuses, better teaching load, better research facilities/materials to use--could help spur competition and dispel the temptation to sit on one's laurels after getting tenure.

hey, 42, I like you. high five.

 

also KK, _33, _FAN, and MiR made some pretty compelling arguments in favor of K-12 tenure, I think y'all have helped me change my mind on that issue.

Those are all very smart people who would know more about the K-12 stuff than I would and I trust their judgement on that as well.

[p1k3]

wish I could get tenure in my profession 

Must be nice

[Dr Rick Daris]

wish I could get tenure in my profession 

Must be nice

ahhh, the old "sure wish i/must be nice" talking point. one of the worst ever, for sure.

[OK_Cat]

well since this thread is flaming out.....


If FSD and his anti-intellectual ilk ran everything, this story would be true
http://nationalreport.net/kansas-black-cosmos-show-controversies/

(those goes back to KS evolution/creationism thing I noted earlier)

If you want to be informed about this issue people, go back and read Stellarcat's posts, home run material.

holy crap, what a bunch of morons. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

well since this thread is flaming out.....


If FSD and his anti-intellectual ilk ran everything, this story would be true
http://nationalreport.net/kansas-black-cosmos-show-controversies/

(those goes back to KS evolution/creationism thing I noted earlier)

If you want to be informed about this issue people, go back and read Stellarcat's posts, home run material.

holy crap, what a bunch of morons.

That's fake news.

[0.42]

wish I could get tenure in my profession 

Must be nice

ahhh, the old "sure wish i/must be nice" talking point. one of the worst ever, for sure.

the argument that primary/secondary/higher education should be run like any other private business is always good for truckloads of unintentional hilarity. 99% of the time it boils down to:

"I TOOK A FEW CLASSES IN COLLEGE WHICH MAKES ME AN EXPERT ON HOW EDUCATION WORKS ESPECIALLY SINCE I HAD A BAD PROFESSOR PUT THE WHOLE SYSTEM ON TRIAL RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE"

[Dr Rick Daris]

wish I could get tenure in my profession 

Must be nice

ahhh, the old "sure wish i/must be nice" talking point. one of the worst ever, for sure.

the argument that primary/secondary/higher education should be run like any other private business is always good for truckloads of unintentional hilarity. 99% of the time it boils down to:

"I TOOK A FEW CLASSES IN COLLEGE WHICH MAKES ME AN EXPERT ON HOW EDUCATION WORKS ESPECIALLY SINCE I HAD A BAD PROFESSOR PUT THE WHOLE SYSTEM ON TRIAL RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE"

yeah.

also though this..."SUMMERS OFF, HUH? MUST BE NICE!"

my argument to that is, then go be a teacher you freaking dork and stop hur hurring about it. go do it if you think it's so great. i had friends that wouldn't tip in college because they thought waitresses, bartenders, etc. made too much. their argument was hey i paint for my job and i only make eight bucks an hour and i guarantee it's harder then what they do, but yet they make more. i was always like, then go wait tables and quit your painting job if you think it's so great. nobody is stopping you.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

well since this thread is flaming out.....


If FSD and his anti-intellectual ilk ran everything, this story would be true
http://nationalreport.net/kansas-black-cosmos-show-controversies/

(those goes back to KS evolution/creationism thing I noted earlier)

If you want to be informed about this issue people, go back and read Stellarcat's posts, home run material.

I bet they giggle like little school girls when someone important quotes one of their stories.

[Cire]

How many people in the private sector know someone that walked into work and was told they no longer had a job?

Excluding restaurants/food industry/retail etc.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

How many people in the private sector know someone that walked into work and was told they no longer had a job?

Excluding restaurants/food industry/retail etc.

I know several who have been laid off. Usually they've gotten a few months notice at least, but layoffs and firings happen all the time in the real world. There is absolutely no valid reason for tenure in K-12 education.

[CNS]

How many people in the private sector know someone that walked into work and was told they no longer had a job?

Excluding restaurants/food industry/retail etc.

Worked for a large corp for the first 7yrs out of KSU.  Happened often.  Security watches them pack then escorts them out.  I have also seen several coworkers put through a review period only to have the reviewer set goals that are not black and white and completely subjective, then fire someone 4-6wks later for them not meeting the subjective goals set during the review period.  This actually happened to an old boss of mine who did his job just fine but was scapegoat'ed to please a client that thought he was wronged by my bosses boss but did a lot of work with out company. 

Note: many of the former very much deserved it.  This isn't an argument for tenure.  Just a note that it does actually happen.

[Mrs. Gooch]

How many people in the private sector know someone that walked into work and was told they no longer had a job?

Excluding restaurants/food industry/retail etc.

Ever heard of aircraft companies?

[Cire]

How many people in the private sector know someone that walked into work and was told they no longer had a job?

Excluding restaurants/food industry/retail etc.

Worked for a large corp for the first 7yrs out of KSU.  Happened often.  Security watches them pack then escorts them out.  I have also seen several coworkers put through a review period only to have the reviewer set goals that are not black and white and completely subjective, then fire someone 4-6wks later for them not meeting the subjective goals set during the review period.  This actually happened to an old boss of mine who did his job just fine but was scapegoat'ed to please a client that thought he was wronged by my bosses boss but did a lot of work with out company. 

Note: many of the former very much deserved it.  This isn't an argument for tenure.  Just a note that it does actually happen.

That happens in ed. too.

How many people in the private sector know someone that walked into work and was told they no longer had a job?

Excluding restaurants/food industry/retail etc.

I know several who have been laid off. Usually they've gotten a few months notice at least, but layoffs and firings happen all the time in the real world. There is absolutely no valid reason for tenure in K-12 education.

teachers get let go and fired in Kansas every year as well. Do you disagree with that?