He's saying that our fan base would treat a black player differently had they done it, which is true.
Yeah right. We are just a big-time racist fan base aren't we? I don't believe that to be true at all. Complete B.S.
meister, the reason I was diplomatic about my point is that people can't handle the nuanced conversation as evidenced by this post. I didn't call anyone or any group of people racist but most like kst8cat can't understand the difference.
I did not say you did MIR. Meister is the one who put words into your mouth and my response was entirely to him when he said "which is true". You have yet to explain why you think people would treat Southwell differently, so I am open to whatever your answer is.
Because Shane is black, not from Kansas, and not a walk on. The rules are different for white people, in state players, and walk ons. Let's change Shane to Omari. One of the defenses of Vulture is that he's smart. Omari Lawrence is a college graduate, has any fan on any message board anywhere ever called Omari smart? How many have called him stupid?
Let me ask you this. If Shane were the culprit in dunking before the game, would you still have posted this (minus the walk-on part)?
"rough ridin' moron jackass walkon, peace of crap. what a goddamned moron"
You seem to be saying that would be the natural reaction of many people and perfectly justifiable. But since Vulture enjoys some sort of "protected status" in people's minds because he is a white walk-on from the state of Kansas, we look the other way and don't criticize him for screwing up. But just to clarify, who exactly are we talking about here? When you wrote "I can't imagine how many dumb assess, idiots, and morons I would have read if Shane did this", it sounds like a criticism of just goEMAW posters in this thread who did not share your reaction about the dunk. But I also get the sense that you may be trying to make a larger point about how your typical KSU fan looks at players as a whole.
As far as the dunk itself, I still don't think anyone would have reacted differently had it been Shane. I mean the vast majority of fans (myself included) had no idea that was even a rule to begin with. As far as typical KSU fans go in how they view players, I don't think race makes the slightest bit of difference. We all want the best players in every way possible to attend and represent our school. I don't think race factors into that even the slightest bit. People may cheer a little more for a Kansas kid now and then because people have state pride and enjoy knowing that our small state is capable of producing Division 1 level athletes, and we want to show that we appreciate them staying in the state to play for our school. When you have elite in-state talent like a Terrence Newman or Darren Sproles, the love-fest just goes off the charts. Same with guys like Wayne Simien or Perry Ellis at KU. I think everyone knows you can't be a successful Kansas team without pulling a lot of talent from out of state, but I don't see why anyone would have a problem with fans rooting or cheering for Kansas players to do well. I mean it may be a bias of sorts, but so what? As far as walk-ons, most people view them as the ultimate underdog because we seldom get to them play. So yeah you may hear extra loud cheering when one of them makes a 3-pointer or something, but again so what? It's not like fans actually love or appreciate them more than the starters. If all the walk-ons were starters we would be losing every single game and everyone knows that.
