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Offline Cire

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #25 on: March 14, 2014, 08:17:52 AM »
Ku fans love oscar

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #26 on: March 14, 2014, 08:41:24 AM »
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For all the reasons to gripe — sticky offense, turning into the Wooldridge years on the road and a late fade that now counts three consecutive losses — the program is in better shape than reasonable people would have imagined before the season.

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I completely agree.  We should just be happy with this and not complain.  Complaining is what got us into the depths ofnthe Wooly years.

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #27 on: March 14, 2014, 08:43:28 AM »
Message to ksu basketball fans: know your lot in life and let other people dictate to you what that lot should be.

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #28 on: March 14, 2014, 08:45:50 AM »
yeah. "you're program is in great shape. you just finished in the middle of the big12 pack and lost your first round big12 conf tournament game. i mean what more do you want???"

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #29 on: March 14, 2014, 08:46:00 AM »
Message to ksu basketball fans: know your lot in life and let other people dictate to you what that lot should be.
were you here to watch the Wooly years?  Seems some people should compare Wooly's recruiting classes with oscar 2.0 (so far).
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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2014, 08:48:41 AM »
This thread is really separating the reasonable and unreasonable fans.

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2014, 08:50:31 AM »
Message to ksu basketball fans: know your lot in life and let other people dictate to you what that lot should be.
were you here to watch the Wooly years?  Seems some people should compare Wooly's recruiting classes with oscar 2.0 (so far).

Yes, I watched them.  If we use Wooly as the baseline, we’ll always be happy.  That, is reasonable.

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #32 on: March 14, 2014, 08:57:32 AM »
Can't expectations change during the season?

Where we were 3 weeks ago this has been a disappointing finish, no matter what the expectations were 4 months ago. A 1st round tourney loss will only compound that.
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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #33 on: March 14, 2014, 09:00:32 AM »
Can't expectations change during the season?

Where we were 3 weeks ago this has been a disappointing finish, no matter what the expectations were 4 months ago. A 1st round tourney loss will only compound that.

I agree, I just choose to look at the season as a whole.  The ku and texas wins were nice, otherwise as expected, maybe a little better.

Next year I'm looking for a top 3 B12 finish and playing on the 2nd weekend of the tournament.  I don't think that's being unreasonable.

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #34 on: March 14, 2014, 09:36:38 AM »
If you compare what took place during the Neckbrace's years, KSU has come a million miles and fans should be proud of what the program is.  That being said, now that you have come this far you should demand more.  There is no reason KSU can't be a consistent Sweet 16 team, with a team every 4-5 years that can challenge for the final four.

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #35 on: March 14, 2014, 09:37:10 AM »
Can't expectations change during the season?

Where we were 3 weeks ago this has been a disappointing finish, no matter what the expectations were 4 months ago. A 1st round tourney loss will only compound that.

We have been about the same team since late December, up and downs are have a a lot with the schedule and the fact you aren't going to win or loss all of your close games.    :dunno:

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #36 on: March 14, 2014, 09:44:38 AM »
Ku fans love oscar

As do Iowa State fans.  ISU guy in my office gushed about him and how close we were.

It's like they see an opportunity to convincingly jump us in basketball and they won't let it go.

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #37 on: March 14, 2014, 09:46:19 AM »
I really can't understand the oscar defenders.  It's like you are speaking mandarin chinese.  I simply cannot make heads or tails of it.

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #38 on: March 14, 2014, 09:50:38 AM »
we've won a lot of fairly meaningless games the last two years.

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2014, 09:52:46 AM »
we've won a lot of fairly meaningless games the last two years.


It's like the wooly years but instead of playing close in meaningless games we actually won them

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2014, 10:04:04 AM »
A lot of teams win "meaningless" games.

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2014, 10:05:37 AM »
we've won a lot of fairly meaningless games the last two years.


It's like the wooly years but instead of playing close in meaningless games we actually won them

Meaningless games?

I guess I need help with this one.

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2014, 10:10:43 AM »
Nothing will stop the "I really wanted a good looking mid major coach" contingent on this board, nothing.




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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2014, 11:09:59 AM »
Nothing will stop the "I really wanted a good looking mid major coach" contingent on this board, nothing.


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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2014, 12:14:23 PM »
we've won a lot of fairly meaningless games the last two years.


It's like the wooly years but instead of playing close in meaningless games we actually won them

Meaningless games?

I guess I need help with this one.

no one really cares what you do during the regular season. 

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2014, 12:29:14 PM »
This thread is really separating the reasonable and unreasonable fans.

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2014, 12:34:40 PM »
Nothing will stop the "I really wanted a good looking mid major coach" contingent on this board, nothing.



why doesn't oscar ever wear a bright purple blazer? does he not love us enough? did he read the board and see the PI that "purple blazer guy" received?  :dunno:

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2014, 12:57:01 PM »
Message to ksu basketball fans: know your lot in life and let other people dictate to you what that lot should be.
were you here to watch the Wooly years?  Seems some people should compare Wooly's recruiting classes with oscar 2.0 (so far).

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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #48 on: March 14, 2014, 02:06:00 PM »
People hate oscar. He's a dorky guy with lots of weird quirks and was a questionable hire. Losing the first round game last year was terrible and a wasted opportunity with a decent seed. This year has been a roller coaster. I get it.

However, when I look at the state of the program I don't think we're in trouble. The trajectory based on my expectations when oscar was hired is a positive one, IMHO. My hope for this team was to be in the tornament and not the NIT and we are in. This team toyed with finishing 2nd in the league and had plenty of frustrating losses, but in a major year of transition for this program I can live with that. Here are my two main reasons for having a somewhat positive outlook.

First, we have a 2nd team all league player coming back who will probably be 1st team all league going into next year. We have other candidates that should have a shot at 3rd/2nd team next year, especially Gipson, but I'd give a shot to Westicles with good development. Edwards could be an all newcomer team player and maybe Hurt. I don't think the talent level is dropping, though I want to see recruiting improve to the point that we land more Top 150 level players. Foster was a lucky break, but that happens. He can be oscar's Pullen; ie. a guy that performs better than his recruiting ranking that can be the face of the program for 3 more seasons. Westicles, Johnson, Thomas, Johnson, Edwards, Bolden, Hurt etc. must develop with him and at least a couple must become 2nd/3rd team level over the next several seasons. Recruiting is my biggest question mark right now long term, but I think we have the talent to be upper half Big 12/NCAA tournament every year for the next several seasons.

Second, we've beat good teams this year and its the reason we're not really even a bubble team. We've got 7 wins over Top 50 teams (kenpom) and 11 vs the Top 100. Only Frank's teams from Jake's JR/SR seasons did better than that since Huggins got here. (Wooly had 10 Top 50 wins in 6 seasons, so that comparison is laughable.) The 2 terrible losses to UNC and Charlotte early in the year likely dropped us at least one seed and that's disappointing no matter how much we lost from last year's team. However, the team recovered nicely, still got some nice OOC wins, and won some nice games in the Big 12 with wins over teams that will likely be seeded 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, and 10 in the NCAA tournament. You can't win tournament games (which is the ultimate goal in college basketball) if you don't prove you can beat good teams and this team did that, even if it wasn't quite as consistent as I would like.


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Re: Man, we're so close
« Reply #49 on: March 14, 2014, 02:13:21 PM »
How did Charlotte beat Michigan?