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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #950 on: March 28, 2015, 12:58:37 PM »
A locked out pilot has a memorized code to get back in the cockpit, but it takes a minute or so to override, thus giving pilot(s) inside time to barricade the door in case of terrorism.  Bathrooms inside cockpit would be great, but purchasing or remodeling an entire fleet of airliners would skyrocket costs.  USA must have two personnel inside cockpit at any time, but not all governments have same rules (Germany).  This still doesn't prevent one pilot from overpowering another via deadly force.

Remote flying of planes is already being researched and investigated.  However, what happens when a remote pilot goes off the reservation?  Or the computer system gets hacked? Who has oversight/authority over foreign inbound/outbound flights?

why wouldn't the pilot barricade the door if he wanted to crash the plane? also, I mean, this guy didn't have to slow decent this thing. he could have brought it down much more quickly if he wanted to. it's not as easy as a video game where you just nose it directly into the dirt with these things but you can get them passed the point of no return pretty quickly.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #951 on: March 28, 2015, 01:12:16 PM »
Agree. I think that he did try to barricade the door. 

Sorry, I didn't do a very good job of conveying, but I was implying that there is no easy/cost effective answer.  Otherwise I believe at least one of the really smart aerospace/business/government, etc bodies would have already implemented it.

I'm not sure for the slow decent, but there may be some sort of override for flap angle vs speed/altitude??  I believe they were saying on the radio that in the Egypt air incident that they discovered that one flap was X degrees up while the other was X degrees down, which can only be done with >50 pounds of opposing pressure on the sticks. ie one pilot yanking up to level out, and one pushing down to crash.  Not sure of what all physical/electrical overrides exist.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #952 on: March 28, 2015, 01:13:04 PM »
we don't fly drone strikes from the US smh


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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #953 on: March 28, 2015, 01:14:32 PM »
Agree. I think that he did try to barricade the door. 

Sorry, I didn't do a very good job of conveying, but I was implying that there is no easy/cost effective answer.  Otherwise I believe at least one of the really smart aerospace/business/government, etc bodies would have already implemented it.

I'm not sure for the slow decent, but there may be some sort of override for flap angle vs speed/altitude??  I believe they were saying on the radio that in the Egypt air incident that they discovered that one flap was X degrees up while the other was X degrees down, which can only be done with >50 pounds of opposing pressure on the sticks. ie one pilot yanking up to level out, and one pushing down to crash.  Not sure of what all physical/electrical overrides exist.

ok, misunderstood what you were saying

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #954 on: March 28, 2015, 01:17:44 PM »
Don't want to freak you out SD, but this website is pretty crazy.  Can even hear voice recorder conversations on some of the flights.  Last words are ominous..

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #955 on: March 28, 2015, 01:23:25 PM »
Don't want to freak you out SD, but this website is pretty crazy.  Can even hear voice recorder conversations on some of the flights.  Last words are ominous..

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/

yeah, I watch air crash investigation a lot

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #956 on: March 28, 2015, 01:28:03 PM »
What a weird website and now I'm totally hooked.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #957 on: March 28, 2015, 01:31:36 PM »
we don't fly drone strikes from the US smh

Sarcasm?
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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #958 on: March 28, 2015, 01:53:33 PM »
OB_Won seems like a good poster and should post more (not gEing)

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #959 on: March 28, 2015, 02:01:21 PM »
OB_Won seems like a good poster and should post more (not gEing)
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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #960 on: March 28, 2015, 02:01:43 PM »
Don't want to freak you out SD, but this website is pretty crazy.  Can even hear voice recorder conversations on some of the flights.  Last words are ominous..

http://www.planecrashinfo.com/

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Date:    August 27, 2014     Time: 1900
Location:    Las Cruces, New Mexico
Operator:    Amigos Aviation / Elite Medical Transport
AC Type:    Cessna 421C Golden Eagle
Reg:    N51RX      cn: 421C0871
Aboard:   4     Fatalities: 4    Ground: 0
Route:    Las Cruces - Phoenix
Details:    The twin engine aircraft had just left the Las Cruces Airport at a low altitude when it crashed and burst into flames. All aboard including a flight paramedic, flight nurse , patient and pilot were killed. The plane was refueled with jet fuel instead of aviation gasoline.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #961 on: March 28, 2015, 02:03:03 PM »
No one ever survives.  :frown:

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #962 on: March 28, 2015, 02:18:38 PM »

we don't fly drone strikes from the US smh

Sarcasm?
no but admittedly I don't know a whole lot about our drone flight paths, because why the eff would anyone
just figured they flew out of turkey


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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #963 on: March 28, 2015, 02:27:29 PM »
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According to the Washington Post, as of September 2011, around 30 Predator and Reaper drones were operating under CIA direction in the Afghanistan/Pakistan area of operations. The drones are flown by United States Air Force pilots located at an unnamed base in the United States
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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #964 on: March 28, 2015, 02:33:03 PM »
how much extra can we pay pilots to wear a diaper. Seriously, its not that big of an ask for safety.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #965 on: March 28, 2015, 02:34:46 PM »
I wanna fly a drone.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #966 on: March 28, 2015, 02:36:00 PM »
Flying a drone vs flying a commercial flight with 200 people on board isnt even close to the same thing.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #967 on: March 28, 2015, 02:40:51 PM »
it isnt about killing the most people FWIW.

What's the goal and how's it working out?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #968 on: March 28, 2015, 02:50:07 PM »
Here's another dumb aviation safety innovation, auto-pilot.  A plane that flies itself?   :ROFL:

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #969 on: March 28, 2015, 03:07:53 PM »
Stop the presses, you guys!!! 

I did some poking around and it looks like the idiots at Boeing have already developed something called ‘Uninterruptible’ Autopilot System and you can read more about this moronic idea below.

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The Boeing 777 along with other Boeing models, can in fact be flown remotely through the use of independent embedded software and satellite communication. Once this advanced system is engaged, it can disallow any pilot or potential hijacker from controlling a plane, as the rooted setup uses digital signals that communicate with air traffic control, satellite links, as well as other government entities for the remainder of a flight’s journey.

This technology is known as the Boeing Honeywell 'Uninterruptible’ Autopilot System.

The mere existence of this technology would most certainly provide the final piece to a number of seemingly unsolved airline disaster puzzles in recent years…

Strap on the tin foil hat for this part.

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“The “uninterruptible” autopilot would be activated – either by pilots, by onboard sensors, or even remotely via radio or satellite links by government agencies like the Central Intelligence Agency, if terrorists attempt to gain control of a flight deck.”


http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/08/07/flight-control-boeings-uninterruptible-autopilot-system-drones-remote-hijacking/
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« Reply #970 on: March 28, 2015, 03:11:48 PM »
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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #971 on: March 28, 2015, 03:14:09 PM »
lol
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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #972 on: March 28, 2015, 03:25:26 PM »
Boeing.   :ROFL:

Nice patent, dumbasses!

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The Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot (BUAP), is a system designed to take control of a commercial aircraft away from the pilot or flight crew, chiefly in the event of a hijacking, and allow the craft to be remotely controlled to a landing at a designated airstrip. The action can be initiated either by crew or by government entities on the ground.

The patent for the system was awarded in 2006.


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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #974 on: March 28, 2015, 09:58:48 PM »
I like the Boeing remote control idea. Seems like it would be a LOT harder to hijack a secret military installation than to hijack a plane, and it would be a lot easier to subdue one nutso drone pilot in a room with many people than to subdue one nutso pilot in the cockpit - especially if he has managed to lock his copilot out. In other words, the risk of a plane being crashed by remote autopilot override would be significantly less than what we have now. As for hacking, the military doesn't seem to be having that problem with encryption of its drone stuff now.

I'm no plane crash buff, but it seems like this sort of technology could have averted almost every major aviation disaster in the 21st century. A plane crashing due to mechanical failure is exceedingly rare even among crashes. It's almost always pilot error, pilot suicide, or terrorism. I can only think of the Concord flight and the ones every once in a while where the plane's wings aren't properly de-iced as counter-examples.
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