The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty

[CNS]

There is no law in Kansas which prohibits private businesses from discriminating based on sexual orientation, right? Are there any lawsuits that have been filed against private businesses for doing so? If not, I don't see the utility of this law.

As for whether private businesses should be so-prohibited (and I know that's not what's currently at issue, at least in Kansas), notions of equality need to be balanced with freedom of religion. Like it or not, homosexuality is considered a sin according to widely-held religious beliefs (including beliefs held by a great many black ministers who are justifiably chagrined that this is being compared to racial discrimination). Perhaps that will change over time, and many Christian denominations already take a much more permissive view towards homosexuality, but a business owner who believes homosexuality is a sin is not necessarily a bigot or a kook, and he or she should be free to deny service.

The Bible says love the sinner, hate the sin.

One of the parts to not be taken at face value.  Just like not banging your neighbor's wife.

[Mrs. Gooch]

According to this guy running for governor in Arizona no one in Arizona would ever discriminate against a fellow human being. Must be the best place to live. LOL

http://www.upworthy.com/state-senator-who-supports-anti-gay-law-spends-10-minutes-proving-he-has-no-idea-how-the-law-works-4

[CNS]

Have come to the conclusion that the only ppl that would run for state rep or sentate are morons that don't mind/don't understand getting hit in the face and/or junk repeatedly as long as they don't have to actually read anything.

[Institutional Control]

I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone.  If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps.  However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.

[steve dave]

I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone.  If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps.  However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.

sexual orientation, fred phelps, whatever

[OregonSmock]

I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone.  If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps.  However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.

Anyone who opposes discrimination should have a big problem with it. 

[Asteriskhead]

Good news, Kansas.  Arizona is now your Bigot Bro   

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/21/us/arizona-anti-gay-bill/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

We've been linked to them for a while thanks to Kobach.

[Mrs. Gooch]

I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone.  If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps.  However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.

Anyone who opposes discrimination should have a big problem with it.

What do you think of discriminating based on the requested service?

Like if Fred Phelps wants me to bake a plain cake that's fine; but if he asks me to bake a cake with the words "God hates mommies" on it then I don't have to do it, right?

[OregonSmock]

I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone.  If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps.  However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.

Anyone who opposes discrimination should have a big problem with it.

What do you think of discriminating based on the requested service?

Like if Fred Phelps wants me to bake a plain cake that's fine; but if he asks me to bake a cake with the words "God hates mommies" on it then I don't have to do it, right?

Even Fred Phelps has rights.  Just because you disagree with someone's personal views does not mean you can discriminate against them. 

[Mrs. Gooch]

I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone.  If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps.  However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.

Anyone who opposes discrimination should have a big problem with it.

What do you think of discriminating based on the requested service?

Like if Fred Phelps wants me to bake a plain cake that's fine; but if he asks me to bake a cake with the words "God hates mommies" on it then I don't have to do it, right?

Even Fred Phelps has rights.  Just because you disagree with someone's personal views does not mean you can discriminate against them.

That's not discriminating against Fred Phelps. I wouldn't make a cake that says that for anyone.

[Institutional Control]

I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone.  If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps.  However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.

Anyone who opposes discrimination should have a big problem with it.

I guess, what I should say is that I would have a personal problem with it. I wouldn't give my money to places that discriminated against someone based on sexual orientation or race. I haven't eaten at a Chick-fil-a in over two years. However, I don't think the government should tell private businesses who they can serve and who they shouldn't.

[Institutional Control]

I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone.  If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps.  However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.

Anyone who opposes discrimination should have a big problem with it.

What do you think of discriminating based on the requested service?

Like if Fred Phelps wants me to bake a plain cake that's fine; but if he asks me to bake a cake with the words "God hates mommies" on it then I don't have to do it, right?

I don't think I would bake any type of cake for Fred Phelps.

[Mrs. Gooch]

I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone.  If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps.  However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.

Anyone who opposes discrimination should have a big problem with it.

What do you think of discriminating based on the requested service?

Like if Fred Phelps wants me to bake a plain cake that's fine; but if he asks me to bake a cake with the words "God hates mommies" on it then I don't have to do it, right?

I don't think I would bake any type of cake for Fred Phelps.

Well I wouldn't either but I'd get around the discrimination lawsuit because I would just kiss my assistant cake baker (who would also be female) right in front of Fred while he was ordering the cake and he'd take his business elsewhere. He'd probably picket my bakery then though - which would get me a lot of gay wedding business.

[Institutional Control]

I don't have a problem with private companies refusing service to anyone.  If I owned a restaurant, I don't think I'd serve Fred Phelps.  However, if I worked for the county and Fred came in to get his car registration updated, I would definitely do my job and assist him.

Anyone who opposes discrimination should have a big problem with it.

What do you think of discriminating based on the requested service?

Like if Fred Phelps wants me to bake a plain cake that's fine; but if he asks me to bake a cake with the words "God hates mommies" on it then I don't have to do it, right?

I don't think I would bake any type of cake for Fred Phelps.

Well I wouldn't either but I'd get around the discrimination lawsuit because I would just kiss my assistant cake baker (who would also be female) right in front of Fred while he was ordering the cake and he'd take his business elsewhere. He'd probably picket my bakery then though - which would get me a lot of gay wedding business.

Oh man.  You would be the best bakery owner ever.

[CNS]

Does KS law not already not allow all private biz's to deny service to any one for any reason?  I ask because I see these often enough in KS and MO:

[Mrs. Gooch]

Does KS law not already not allow all private biz's to deny service to any one for any reason?  I ask because I see these often enough in KS and MO:

The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."

So you can't refuse service on the basis of any of those protected classes but you can based on anything else. Some states have laws that basically add sexual orientation and/or gender identity to that list. Kansas does not - so right now people could already refuse service if they want to based on sexual orientation.

[CNS]

So, basically, Kansans just want to rub the refusal in gay ppl's faces evidently rather than just refusing service for some other everyday excuse.

[Mrs. Gooch]

So, basically, Kansans just want to rub the refusal in gay ppl's faces evidently rather than just refusing service for some other everyday excuse.

Yes

[OregonSmock]

My advice for anyone who opposes this type of stuff:  GTFO of the state of Kansas.

[michigancat]

My advice for anyone who opposes this type of stuff:  GTFO of the state of Kansas.

My advice is the exact opposite. Make some noise and vote those losers out. Bring it up at family gatherings and put old people in their place. Tell your preacher he's full of crap if he disagrees. I think most Kansas are pretty good people but a lot of them just need a little tug to help them pull their heads out of their asses. Be that tug.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

My advice for anyone who opposes this type of stuff:  GTFO of the state of Kansas.

My advice is the exact opposite. Make some noise and vote those losers out. Bring it up at family gatherings and put old people in their place. Tell your preacher he's full of crap if he disagrees. I think most Kansas are pretty good people but a lot of them just need a little tug to help them pull their heads out of their asses. Be that tug.

[OregonSmock]

My advice for anyone who opposes this type of stuff:  GTFO of the state of Kansas.

My advice is the exact opposite. Make some noise and vote those losers out. Bring it up at family gatherings and put old people in their place. Tell your preacher he's full of crap if he disagrees. I think most Kansas are pretty good people but a lot of them just need a little tug to help them pull their heads out of their asses. Be that tug.

The people are the ones who voted all of these a-holes into office.  The best option for Northeastern Kansas is probably just to secede and form its own state.

[star seed 7]

My advice for anyone who opposes this type of stuff:  GTFO of the state of Kansas.

My advice is the exact opposite. Make some noise and vote those losers out. Bring it up at family gatherings and put old people in their place. Tell your preacher he's full of crap if he disagrees. I think most Kansas are pretty good people but a lot of them just need a little tug to help them pull their heads out of their asses. Be that tug.

The people are the ones who voted all of these a-holes into office.  The best option for Northeastern Kansas is probably just to secede and form its own state.

you are a moron.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Good news, Kansas.  Arizona is now your Bigot Bro   

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/21/us/arizona-anti-gay-bill/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

AZ gov vetoes bill.

[Rage Against the McKee]

My advice for anyone who opposes this type of stuff:  GTFO of the state of Kansas.

My advice is the exact opposite. Make some noise and vote those losers out. Bring it up at family gatherings and put old people in their place. Tell your preacher he's full of crap if he disagrees. I think most Kansas are pretty good people but a lot of them just need a little tug to help them pull their heads out of their asses. Be that tug.

The people are the ones who voted all of these a-holes into office.  The best option for Northeastern Kansas is probably just to secede and form its own state.

Northeast Kansas voted this guy into office, though.

http://macheers.com/home