The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think the free market can work a bunch of things out, but the most alarming thing about the legislation to me was giving public employees cover.  Some people could beat up a gay dude and for the police/ambulance, responding is optional.

yes, i don't think the private and public sector are in the same conversation on this.  very different markets.  (this obviously includes when private businesses are contracted to do public business)

Giving those protections to private sector employees is just as bad, really. You could be trying to run a business that caters to everybody, and the proposed law would give you no right to get rid of an employee who refused to serve gay people. That would be very hard on non-bigoted small business owners who had the misfortune of hiring an bad person.

[star seed 7]

I think the free market can work a bunch of things out, but the most alarming thing about the legislation to me was giving public employees cover.  Some people could beat up a gay dude and for the police/ambulance, responding is optional.

yes, i don't think the private and public sector are in the same conversation on this.  very different markets.  (this obviously includes when private businesses are contracted to do public business)

Giving those protections to private sector employees is just as bad, really. You could be trying to run a business that caters to everybody, and the proposed law would give you no right to get rid of an employee who refused to serve gay people. That would be very hard on non-bigoted small business owners who had the misfortune of hiring an bad person.

that's true, and i wasn't looking at it in those terms.  i was speaking more on the right of a business owner to serve who he chooses.  i really dislike the government forcing a private business to serve someone.  the public sector obviously shouldn't have that same right of refusal.

[ChiComCat]

I think the free market can work a bunch of things out, but the most alarming thing about the legislation to me was giving public employees cover.  Some people could beat up a gay dude and for the police/ambulance, responding is optional.

yes, i don't think the private and public sector are in the same conversation on this.  very different markets.  (this obviously includes when private businesses are contracted to do public business)

Giving those protections to private sector employees is just as bad, really. You could be trying to run a business that caters to everybody, and the proposed law would give you no right to get rid of an employee who refused to serve gay people. That would be very hard on non-bigoted small business owners who had the misfortune of hiring an bad person.

that's true, and i wasn't looking at it in those terms.  i was speaking more on the right of a business owner to serve who he chooses.  i really dislike the government forcing a private business to serve someone.  the public sector obviously shouldn't have that same right of refusal.

Agree with Seven.  Should be no protection for an employee

[8manpick]

I think the free market can work a bunch of things out, but the most alarming thing about the legislation to me was giving public employees cover.  Some people could beat up a gay dude and for the police/ambulance, responding is optional.

yes, i don't think the private and public sector are in the same conversation on this.  very different markets.  (this obviously includes when private businesses are contracted to do public business)

Giving those protections to private sector employees is just as bad, really. You could be trying to run a business that caters to everybody, and the proposed law would give you no right to get rid of an employee who refused to serve gay people. That would be very hard on non-bigoted small business owners who had the misfortune of hiring an bad person.

that's true, and i wasn't looking at it in those terms.  i was speaking more on the right of a business owner to serve who he chooses.  i really dislike the government forcing a private business to serve someone.  the public sector obviously shouldn't have that same right of refusal.

"No, Jackie you can't stay at the hotel with the rest of the Dodgers"

[ChiComCat]

I think the free market can work a bunch of things out, but the most alarming thing about the legislation to me was giving public employees cover.  Some people could beat up a gay dude and for the police/ambulance, responding is optional.

yes, i don't think the private and public sector are in the same conversation on this.  very different markets.  (this obviously includes when private businesses are contracted to do public business)

Giving those protections to private sector employees is just as bad, really. You could be trying to run a business that caters to everybody, and the proposed law would give you no right to get rid of an employee who refused to serve gay people. That would be very hard on non-bigoted small business owners who had the misfortune of hiring an bad person.

that's true, and i wasn't looking at it in those terms.  i was speaking more on the right of a business owner to serve who he chooses.  i really dislike the government forcing a private business to serve someone.  the public sector obviously shouldn't have that same right of refusal.

"No, Jackie you can't stay at the hotel with the rest of the Dodgers"

I think in that situation there is a more than decent chance the Dodgers take their business elsewhere

[8manpick]

I think the free market can work a bunch of things out, but the most alarming thing about the legislation to me was giving public employees cover.  Some people could beat up a gay dude and for the police/ambulance, responding is optional.

yes, i don't think the private and public sector are in the same conversation on this.  very different markets.  (this obviously includes when private businesses are contracted to do public business)

Giving those protections to private sector employees is just as bad, really. You could be trying to run a business that caters to everybody, and the proposed law would give you no right to get rid of an employee who refused to serve gay people. That would be very hard on non-bigoted small business owners who had the misfortune of hiring an bad person.

that's true, and i wasn't looking at it in those terms.  i was speaking more on the right of a business owner to serve who he chooses.  i really dislike the government forcing a private business to serve someone.  the public sector obviously shouldn't have that same right of refusal.

"No, Jackie you can't stay at the hotel with the rest of the Dodgers"

I think in that situation there is a more than decent chance the Dodgers take their business elsewhere

Gonna be pretty tough when they have to play in rural Kansas, and the one hotel in town won't let them

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Good job, 7

[SkinnyBenny]

You should be able to deny service to awful people. You just shouldn't be able to discriminate based upon race, gender, or sexual orientation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/31/martha-boggs-stacey-campfield-restaurant-removal-_n_1243967.html

[nicname]

Discrimination is bad. The world probably works better when private businesses can't discriminate. IF one business can discriminate then every business should be able to. A law protecting an employees right to discriminate against the will of their employer is ridiculous. 

[nicname]

The problem with force is that no one has a problem with it when they're on the side doing the pushing.

[Stevesie60]

I think the free market can work a bunch of things out, but the most alarming thing about the legislation to me was giving public employees cover.  Some people could beat up a gay dude and for the police/ambulance, responding is optional.

yes, i don't think the private and public sector are in the same conversation on this.  very different markets.  (this obviously includes when private businesses are contracted to do public business)

Giving those protections to private sector employees is just as bad, really. You could be trying to run a business that caters to everybody, and the proposed law would give you no right to get rid of an employee who refused to serve gay people. That would be very hard on non-bigoted small business owners who had the misfortune of hiring an bad person.

that's true, and i wasn't looking at it in those terms.  i was speaking more on the right of a business owner to serve who he chooses.  i really dislike the government forcing a private business to serve someone.  the public sector obviously shouldn't have that same right of refusal.

"No, Jackie you can't stay at the hotel with the rest of the Dodgers"

I think in that situation there is a more than decent chance the Dodgers take their business elsewhere

Gonna be pretty tough when they have to play in rural Kansas, and the one hotel in town won't let them

Soon-to-be-born Jesus was denied a room at a hotel in a rural town, and look how he turned out.

[michigancat]

He was crucified! literally!

[ChiComCat]

He was crucified! literally!

Yea but he is pretty resilient

[Cire]

Let he who is without sin deny the first cake to a homo couple that loves one another

[Trim]

If I was in the religion industry, I'd be pissed about how much horrible stuff is associated with my brand.

[star seed 7]

If I was in the religion industry, I'd be pissed about how much horrible stuff is associated with my brand.

seems like it would hurt incoming recruits, but luckily the young are highly impressionable

[Dugout DickStone]

If I was in the religion industry, I'd be pissed about how much horrible stuff is associated with my brand.

seems like it would hurt incoming recruits, but luckily the young are highly impressionable

Religion is set up to make people feel like they are better than others.  That's a powerful pill

[CNS]

If I was in the religion industry, I'd be pissed about how much horrible stuff is associated with my brand.

seems like it would hurt incoming recruits, but luckily the young are highly impressionable

Religion is set up to make people feel like they are better than others.  That's a powerful pill

Yep, then scare and threaten them into doing what you say and paying you money and stuff.

[Trim]

If I was in the religion industry, I'd be pissed about how much horrible stuff is associated with my brand.

seems like it would hurt incoming recruits, but luckily the young are highly impressionable

Religion is set up to make people feel like they are better than others.  That's a powerful pill

Yep, then scare and threaten them into doing what you say and paying you money and stuff.

Maybe I need to get into the religion industry.

[CNS]

Shouldn't be too tough.  Plenty of dumbasses out there wanting to believe in something.  Just promise some great stuff and threaten awful stuff. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Shouldn't be too tough.  Plenty of dumbasses out there wanting to believe in something.  Just promise some great stuff and threaten awful stuff.

Barack Obama campaign strategy

[Dugout DickStone]

Shouldn't be too tough.  Plenty of dumbasses out there wanting to believe in something.  Just promise some great stuff and threaten awful stuff.

Barack Obama campaign strategy

Every campaign strategy

[Headinjun]

If I was in the religion industry, I'd be pissed about how much horrible stuff is associated with my brand.

seems like it would hurt incoming recruits, but luckily the young are highly impressionable

Religion is set up to make people feel like they are better than others.  That's a powerful pill

Yep, then scare and threaten them into doing what you say and paying you money and stuff.

Maybe I need to get into the religion industry.

I've had day dreams about trying to sell something to religos and making a buncha money and then I rinse my hair in the shower and tell myself I don't wanna rip people off like them.

[Trim]

I've had day dreams about trying to sell something to religos and making a buncha money and then I rinse my hair in the shower and tell myself I don't wanna rip people off like them.

That applies to all sorts of scams to all dumb people, but then you realize they don't have any money to make it worth the aggravation.

[yoman]

What's the Internet rule about people bringing up Nazis and hitler?

Godwin's law.

Also, getting into the religion industry is as easy as registering to be ordained online. Have fun.

In regards to the overarching topic, discrimination versus free market choice is a very difficult topic to cover due to spatial and other economic factors. I don't support the discrimination of anyone based on the merits of race, gender, sexual orientation or religion. However, I do support the refusal of service to those groups that advocate harm to other human beings. Legally writing this definition seems to be difficult, I will leave that to the professionals