The tales of Brownback mountain: My religious liberty > your liberty

[Dugout DickStone]

Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505

Boy did the Kansas legislature spring into quick action! 

[michigancat]

This law is for public employees, though.

[puniraptor]

The silver lining will be the joy of watching people trying to prove or disprove the sincerity of their religious conviction in the courtroom.

[Dugout DickStone]

The silver lining will be the joy of watching people trying to prove or disprove the sincerity of their religious conviction in the courtroom.

It is going to be a treat.

Bigots under oath testifying about how sincerely they hate gay people.

[CNS]

The silver lining will be the joy of watching people trying to prove or disprove the sincerity of their religious conviction in the courtroom.

Counter suits full of ppl having to prove they aren't actually gay.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505

What if the company that sells flour told this cake maker that they won't sell him flour because the flour company doesn't support opposition to same sex marriages?  And then the farmer wouldn't sell wheat to the flour company because the farmer doesn't support opposition to someone who doesn't support same sex marriage.
 

Yes, a free market could put an end to all discrimination.

Yeah. Seems weird that the happy couple chose to file a lawsuit instead of just finding another bakery.

Seems weird Rosa Parks didn't just choose a different seat on the bus.

[Dugout DickStone]

If it passes a business should have to post a sign.  Why waste everyone's time?

[Tobias]

If it passes a business should have to post a sign.  Why waste everyone's time?

might i suggest confederate flags?

[CNS]

If it passes a business should have to post a sign.  Why waste everyone's time?

Those that would refuse service would probably gladly post a sign.  Also, posting a sign would probably be good for business in many parts of the state. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

If it passes a business should have to post a sign.  Why waste everyone's time?

Those that would refuse service would probably gladly post a sign.  Also, posting a sign would probably be good for business in many parts of the state.

I think most places would lose more business than they gain.

[CNS]

If it passes a business should have to post a sign.  Why waste everyone's time?

Those that would refuse service would probably gladly post a sign.  Also, posting a sign would probably be good for business in many parts of the state.

I think most places would lose more business than they gain.

New law: illegal to discriminate against biz's that post a sign saying they discriminate.

[EMAWmeister]

Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505

What if the company that sells flour told this cake maker that they won't sell him flour because the flour company doesn't support opposition to same sex marriages?  And then the farmer wouldn't sell wheat to the flour company because the farmer doesn't support opposition to someone who doesn't support same sex marriage.

Yes, a free market could put an end to all discrimination.

Yeah. Seems weird that the happy couple chose to file a lawsuit instead of just finding another bakery.

I am all for the public shaming of bigoted businesses. I think some LGBT should set up a database of businesses that are anti-LGBT and make that information public. Let the people make their own decisions.

[CNS]

As for the shaming of biz, I am not even on facebook and I rarely use Yelp, yet I understand how facebook and Yelp work. 

[EMAWmeister]

As for the shaming of biz, I am not even on facebook and I rarely use Yelp, yet I understand how facebook and Yelp work.

Have you ever been to the Facebook page of a business accused of discriminating against gays? It's a rally for bigots

[Mrs. Gooch]

Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505

What if the company that sells flour told this cake maker that they won't sell him flour because the flour company doesn't support opposition to same sex marriages?  And then the farmer wouldn't sell wheat to the flour company because the farmer doesn't support opposition to someone who doesn't support same sex marriage.

Yes, a free market could put an end to all discrimination.

Yeah. Seems weird that the happy couple chose to file a lawsuit instead of just finding another bakery.

I am all for the public shaming of bigoted businesses. I think some LGBT should set up a database of businesses that are anti-LGBT and make that information public. Let the people make their own decisions.

http://voices.yahoo.com/companies-anti-gay-policies-10988406.html?cat=3

[Daddy Claxton]

Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505

What if the company that sells flour told this cake maker that they won't sell him flour because the flour company doesn't support opposition to same sex marriages?  And then the farmer wouldn't sell wheat to the flour company because the farmer doesn't support opposition to someone who doesn't support same sex marriage.

Yes, a free market could put an end to all discrimination.

Yeah. Seems weird that the happy couple chose to file a lawsuit instead of just finding another bakery.

I am all for the public shaming of bigoted businesses. I think some LGBT should set up a database of businesses that are anti-LGBT and make that information public. Let the people make their own decisions.

Isn't that the ultimate "free market" decision?  Baker doesn't want to sell to gays and gays don't want to buy from bigots. Sounds like a match made in heaven.

[Cire]

Discriminatorcat

[Rage Against the McKee]

Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505

What if the company that sells flour told this cake maker that they won't sell him flour because the flour company doesn't support opposition to same sex marriages?  And then the farmer wouldn't sell wheat to the flour company because the farmer doesn't support opposition to someone who doesn't support same sex marriage.

Yes, a free market could put an end to all discrimination.

Yeah. Seems weird that the happy couple chose to file a lawsuit instead of just finding another bakery.

I am all for the public shaming of bigoted businesses. I think some LGBT should set up a database of businesses that are anti-LGBT and make that information public. Let the people make their own decisions.

Isn't that the ultimate "free market" decision?  Baker doesn't want to sell to gays and gays don't want to buy from bigots. Sounds like a match made in heaven.

Some people live in small towns that don't have a lot of bakeries to choose from, though. Also, some bakeries are a whole lot better than others. I think if you are going to open your business to the public, you should expect to deal with the public, including minorities, and if you can't do that, you should expect to lose civil suits.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Everyone knows this law is a direct response to this, right?

http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=21136505

What if the company that sells flour told this cake maker that they won't sell him flour because the flour company doesn't support opposition to same sex marriages?  And then the farmer wouldn't sell wheat to the flour company because the farmer doesn't support opposition to someone who doesn't support same sex marriage.
 

Yes, a free market could put an end to all discrimination.

Yeah. Seems weird that the happy couple chose to file a lawsuit instead of just finding another bakery.

Seems weird Rosa Parks didn't just choose a different seat on the bus.

No competing bus service.

[Daddy Claxton]

 I think if you are going to open your business to the public, you should expect to deal with the public, including minorities, and if you can't do that, you should expect to lose civil suits.

Yeah. I think that's basically what was decided when the civil rights laws were upheld. Going to be interesting to see how the same issue is handled this time around, but this time with the additional hurdle that it will have to be to determined that the interest of being able to buy a cake from the best baker is important enough to over-ride what will be presented as the baker's sincere religious belief that he should not bake cakes for same sex weddings.

As several have said above, it will make for some interesting testimony and arguments.

[Rage Against the McKee]

 I think if you are going to open your business to the public, you should expect to deal with the public, including minorities, and if you can't do that, you should expect to lose civil suits.

Yeah. I think that's basically what was decided when the civil rights laws were upheld. Going to be interesting to see how the same issue is handled this time around, but this time with the additional hurdle that it will have to be to determined that the interest of being able to buy a cake from the best baker is important enough to over-ride what will be presented as the baker's sincere religious belief that he should not bake cakes for same sex weddings.

As several have said above, it will make for some interesting testimony and arguments.

I think I could maybe sympathize with the baker if he would show me in his religious texts where it says he isn't supposed to bake cakes for gay people.

[star seed 7]

the real fun is when a christian would be denied service by a gay person.  imagine the level of butthurt on that one.

[Daddy Claxton]

 I think if you are going to open your business to the public, you should expect to deal with the public, including minorities, and if you can't do that, you should expect to lose civil suits.

Yeah. I think that's basically what was decided when the civil rights laws were upheld. Going to be interesting to see how the same issue is handled this time around, but this time with the additional hurdle that it will have to be to determined that the interest of being able to buy a cake from the best baker is important enough to over-ride what will be presented as the baker's sincere religious belief that he should not bake cakes for same sex weddings.

As several have said above, it will make for some interesting testimony and arguments.

I think I could maybe sympathize with the baker if he would show me in his religious texts where it says he isn't supposed to bake cakes for gay people.

Well, apparently Muhammad said to kill anyone who commits a homosexual act and turn effiminent men out of your houses. I don't think he said anything about baking cakes, specifically, but an instruction to turn effiminent men out of your house could reasonably be interpreted as saying don't serve gays in your business.

[Rage Against the McKee]

 I think if you are going to open your business to the public, you should expect to deal with the public, including minorities, and if you can't do that, you should expect to lose civil suits.

Yeah. I think that's basically what was decided when the civil rights laws were upheld. Going to be interesting to see how the same issue is handled this time around, but this time with the additional hurdle that it will have to be to determined that the interest of being able to buy a cake from the best baker is important enough to over-ride what will be presented as the baker's sincere religious belief that he should not bake cakes for same sex weddings.

As several have said above, it will make for some interesting testimony and arguments.

I think I could maybe sympathize with the baker if he would show me in his religious texts where it says he isn't supposed to bake cakes for gay people.

Well, apparently Muhammad said to kill anyone who commits a homosexual act and turn effiminent men out of your houses. I don't think he said anything about baking cakes, specifically, but an instruction to turn effiminent men out of your house could reasonably be interpreted as saying don't serve gays in your business.

So they don't really have a religious reason to not bake cakes for gay people, then.

[massofcatfan]

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Some people live in small towns that don't have a lot of bakeries to choose from, though. Also, some bakeries are a whole lot better than others. I think if you are going to open your business to the public, you should expect to deal with the public, including minorities, and if you can't do that, you should expect to lose civil suits BECAUSE THE CAKE YOU BAKED IS NOT YOURS IT BELONGS TO THE COLLECTIVE.
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